Pastore Barracuda

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European emigration

Since when have Turks, Georgians, Armenians, and Azerbaijanis been considered European? Those four ethnicities weren't listed as part of the European diasporas on the page until three months ago from a Bulgarian editor named BGRKoci. They are West Asians, not Europeans, so I don't know why they are listed there. Also, what makes Kurds supposedly less European than those ethnicities? Is it because they speak an Iranian language, or they're not secular enough to be European, or they're too phenotypically "brown" to be European? If we consider Anatolia to be a part of Europe, which the country Turkey constitutes, then we must consider Turkish Kurdistan to be part of Europe too, as that is the largest portion of Kurdistan and the vast majority of Kurds are Anatolians.Epitome of Creativity (talk) 15:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

• Yeah, I agree. They are all Middle Eastern populations and should not be included in that page. Genetically speaking, all these groups are closer to Syrians, Lebanese and other Middle Eastern population as well. Technically North Caucasion populations such as Chechens are also genetically (and culturally) in the Middle East cluster however the area they live in is considered to be part of Europe. Pastore Barracuda (talk) 16:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Pastore Barracuda Hello. Please check on page 116. from Erich J. Zurcher's book that was added there as a source. If you don't have it I can send it to you. There are many books on that subject. He is one of the most well-known authors on Turkish history. As a second I am not talking about 24 million Turks, but about emigrants (Bosniaks, Albanians, Circassian, etc) who migrated to Turkey from the late 18th century until 1991. Between 5-7 million Muslim Europeans migrated to Anatolia in the mentioned period. You have Justin McCharty's book full of those statistics. Are you by any chance arguing that only Christianity belongs to Europe and you can be European only if you are culturally belonging to a Christian tradition? Bosniaks, Albanian, Circassians, etc. are all autochthonous Europeans. You have various DNK studies on them you can check it. Certainly they are more European than Hungarian, Estonians or Finns are. The last three came from the Ural Mountains. Please bring back my addition to the text. Best.

Pastore Barracuda Also, it might confuse you that you don't see Albanians, Bosniaks, and others in the Turkish official census. Turkey does not allow anyone to declare himself/herself other than Turk. That is why you had various Kurdish rebellions in the past. It similar to France in that sense. You can not say that you are Arab in the French census, but does that eliminates the fact that some 6-7 million Arabs are living in France. If you are writing a Wikipedia article about the Arab diaspora in France you probably are going to mention names like Karim Ben Zema or Zinedine Zidane. Right? But they are French according to the national census. Something similar goes on with 24 million autochtonous European Muslims in Turkey. Thank you for understanding. Best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chule87 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)