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Hi, PartTimeGnome! I noticed the work you've done at the Typo Team; nice job! Anyways, it looks like no one's given you a formal welcome yet, so I hope you don't mind if I say...

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Portal:Wicca

This is a notice to say that I have started a discussion here about the Wicca portal which you may be interested in. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 21:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia talkpage discussion

Good day! Please see here Many thanks! Mootros (talk) 04:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Question

Hi PartTimeGnome, I have a question about this edit here on this page: Why do we need the old links? What is being broken, where by the new names? I was trying to tidy up this array of old and continually re-modified names. Thanks! Mootros (talk) 01:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

The main thing that concerned me at the time was the {{Service awards}} template, which was still using the old names (I have since corrected it, so that is no longer a worry). However, I have found a few user pages where an editor has subst'd a service award template, so the link on their page won't have changed when you edited the templates. To find and fix these links would involve checking literally thousands of pages, to find just a dozen or so to fix. It's easier to just add an {{anchor}} template so the existing links keep working.

As for tidying up, I only left an {{anchor}} template for the most recent previous name for each award, not for every name the award has had. I figure active editors will update their service awards from time to time, so subst'd section links will eventually get updated.

BTW, in some of your edits, you set {{anchor}} to use the same name as the section heading text, which is a little redundant – MediaWiki allows any section heading to be used as the destination of a section link without an {{anchor}} template. The {{anchor}} templates are only there to provide an alternative name for old section links. New section links should use the heading's current text, of course. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 21:21, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for this detailed explanation and the useful links. This makes sense! Mootros (talk) 04:40, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Attribution of image creator and licence

Hello. You have a new message at SCHolar44's talk page.

Thanks

Thanks for catching that on Wikipedia:Service awards. When reading it again I mist have missed the "Neither" and thought I forgot a "not". Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 10:12, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm happy to have been of help! (Note to self: relates to this edit.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 20:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help

Good morning PartTimeGnome,

Thank you for your help last night on Village Pump (technical)

I have removed my posting.

Sincerely, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/GG-J's Talk 07:06, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem. (Note to self: relates to this edit.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 21:24, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Formatting of captions

(Note to self: relates to these edits.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 01:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, you replaced a period I removed and in doing so revealed to me that you watch the Service Awards templates and perhaps know something about their engineering. Excellent! Pleased to meet you. And I won't touch any more periods for now. However, if you could, please comment at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Formatting of captions where I have opened discussion of single sentence periods. Thanks! --Rogerhc (talk) 00:34, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Service Awards, thumb or frame?

(Note to self: relates to this edit.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 01:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, I also changed "thumb" to "frame" in the Template:Signator and see you changed it back to "thumb" to constrain it to 150px. Thank you for your clear edit summaries which help me a good deal in understanding your intentions, which is rather helpful in this collaborative endeavor.

I did notice that the "thumb" to "frame" change made the image larger and was puzzled by this. My intention was to remove the little gray frame icon from the caption area of the image, not to change the image size. So I looked at the template's size parameter and was further puzzled: "frame" is an invalid value for "size" and may be an error in the Template:Signator, which contains this: {{{size|frame}}}. A valid default size value would look like this: {{{size|150px}}}, right? (The value after the | is the default.) Perhaps the Service Award templates could use some refactoring, something you would be better at than me, and that I would rather stay out of.

I also note that thumb size is a user preference that a user can set in his My preferences. So it might be best to avoid thumb in the Service Awards. Consider: user A's general thumb size preference might not be the best way for A to view B's userpage if user B has worked out a Service Awards display layout there that works for his own thumb size preference but not for A's thumb size preference. And neither is likely to know this, unless they are master editors of course.

Well, enough details. Cheers! --Rogerhc (talk) 01:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I just read in mw:Help:Images#Size_and_frame that, "An image with frame always ignores the size specification, the original image will be reduced if it exceeds the maximum size defined in user preferences." I hand forgotten that. --Rogerhc (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Sorry for reverting two things you did so close together. I've got nothing against you personally – honest!

You seem to have figured out why the thumb-to-frame change made the image larger for yourself. It is unfortunate that the little "Enlarge" icon is visible on this service award (and a few others) but not the rest. Ideally, all the service award image templates would use thumb for consistency (and frame is obsolete). I'm not too keen on making this change without a consensus at Wikipedia talk:Service awards, though. Given the number of templates that would need to be changed, I don't want to pursue such large scale changes at the moment.

Template:Signator does not contain {{{size|frame}}}; I'm guessing you meant one of the other service award templates, since most others do contain this. In the service award templates, the name of the size= parameter is a little confusing, since it is really a "miscellaneous options" parameter. It could have been done better, but would be hard to change now due to the widespread usage of these templates. (While looking into this I noticed that {{Signator}} and a few other templates didn't actually accept the size= parameter, though their documentation says they should. I have now rectified this so size= will work.)

When a width in px is specified for an image (e.g. the 150px on Signator), this overrides the user's preferences. Hence there is no need to worry about preferences causing thumb to display other than intended so long as an explicit size is specified.

I'm glad that you seem to be learning so much about Wikipedia! :-) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 00:40, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Aha, Very kind of you to share that Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#frame link with me. I had not found that page and it is very informative and well laid out. I like the part about Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#Thumbnail sizes and especially the part under that about Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#Upright images. It is starting to get too complex for my liking. But a good read. "upright=1.5" would make an image 1.5 times as wide as the viewing user's thumb size preference, for example, while just "upright" would make it 0.75 as wide thus fitting tall upright images into a user's page well. Very interesting. Wikipedia is complex but as you have pointed out I learn things here. ANd I meet nice people. Thank you for being so helpful. --Rogerhc (talk) 04:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on autobiography

Thank you. I wanted to fill in a pointer from a list of systems biology research groups. I tried to be as factual and professional as I could. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frederic Y Bois (talk • contribs) 15:59, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

No problem. (Note to self: relates to this edit.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 22:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

List fix on Template:Opentask-short

Thanks for fixing the formatting of the bullet list there, didn't know that kind of hack would work! I learn something new every day. Cheers, Nettrom (talk) 21:12, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm happy to help! I wasn't certain it would work either; thankfully "Show preview" lets me test these things before saving them... (Note to self: relates to this edit.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 21:20, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Template talk:User Wikipedian for#Bug: link to user creation log

Hello. You have a new message at Template talk:User Wikipedian for's talk page. Message added 04:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC). — Preceding unsigned comment added by הסרפד (talk • contribs)

VPT fix

Hello. You have a new message at Richardguk's talk page. — Richardguk (talk) 00:03, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks

Hello. You have a new message at Remotelysensed's talk page.

Best regards, --Finding dead links (talk) 10:45, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

(I hope this is the place for this continuation of the dialog!)

Hello. You have a new message at Remotelysensed's talk page. Remotelysensed (talk) 09:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, this is the right place . Each time you leave a new message for me on your talk page, paste another {{Whisperback}} here to let me know. BTW, the 2nd parameter to {{Whisperback}} is just your username (i.e. Remotelysensed), not a full signature. Your signature should go at the end as usual. I've corrected the Whisperback templates above, so you can copy-and-paste one of the ones above if you leave me another message. (I've not left a Whisper/talkback on your page for this message, since I figure you don't need to see the above unless you come back to give me another message...) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 14:39, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

noreferrer rfc

(Note to self: relates to this edit.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 14:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I feel into the confusion and thought that Wikipedia currently didn't refer. James086^Talk 10:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay; I figured something like that had happened. Hopefully the RFC can run more smoothly now I've straightened out the confusion. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 14:16, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

template size

(Note to self: relates to this edit.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 21:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Any thing we can do to make this more like the normal size? Moxy (talk) 8:46 pm, Today (UTC−4)—Preceding undated comment added 00:52, 22 March 2013‎ (UTC)

This user has been on Wikipedia for 18 years and 3 months.

This user has made over
60,000 edits to Wikipedia.

This editor is a
Master Editor II
and is entitled to display this
Platinum Editor Star.

Even other ones with bigger text and three lines of text are smaller

This user is not an administrator and has no desire to be one.

This editor is a
Master Editor II
and is entitled to display this
Platinum Editor Star.

There have been various discussions about the sizing of the service awards. Some people like to stack their userboxes vertically, while others line them up horizontally. Since the service award images are not square, it's hard to set a size that looks right with both arrangements. Hence, I have just been through the userboxes and added a size= parameter to allow users of the awards to set the size that best suits their user page. Here's your first example with a size=x45x parameter added (i.e. set height to 45 pixels):

This user has been on Wikipedia for 18 years and 3 months.

This user has made over
60,000 edits to Wikipedia.

This editor is a
Master Editor II
and is entitled to display this
Platinum Editor Star.

– PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 21:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

As per the norm your get it done attitude is an example all should follow. I am so glad you reverted me on that edit - now all have a perfect solution.Moxy (talk) 21:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Bingo

(Note to self: relates to this edit. See also bugzilla:46579.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 22:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1495 for details of how close you were to right.—Kww(talk) 23:10, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

It's the kind of thing I was hoping they'd improve for a while. It's a pity they didn't quite think it through... Hopefully bugzilla:46579 will be fixed soon. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 22:45, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I knew I should not edit using the !@#$%^ tablet...

Thanks for fixing my finger check... the whole thing was somewhat funny: User:Krinkle wrote [[bug:27698]] instead of [[Bugzilla:27698]]. as happens, "bug" is the language code for the Inggris language, so in effect, he created a new interwiki that connected WP:VPT to the aritcle "27698" on the Inggris wikipedia. a diligent bot arrived shortly after and concluded that this was an accidental interwiki, so it changed it to [[:bug:27698]]: in effect removing the interwiki and replacing it with a regular link to the page in Inggris (curiously enough, even though the Inggris wikipedia has less than 14,000 articles, it *does* have an article about "27698"). when i saw it i was somewhat amused, and replaced it with the intended link to bugzilla, but i did it from my android thingy, which is way too prone to fingerchecks, so in the end the joke was on me... thanks for fixing it. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 22:23, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I saw most of what happened through the page history; thanks for the further elaboration. Accidental typos are very easy, especially on a touch-screen keyboard. I'm guilty of a few accidental insertions myself due to an improperly configured mouse (now fixed) that randomly pasted my clipboard contents into wiki pages.

I thought "bug" was the language code for Buginese. I think "Inggris" is the Buginese word for "England". I can't find 27698 on either the Buginese or English Wikipedias. It would have been a hilarious coincidence if it had existed, though . – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 22:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello. You have a new message at Wikipedia talk:Village pump (technical)/Archive 108's talk page. Message added 13:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC). Werieth (talk) 13:28, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

More thanks

(Note to self: relates to this edit.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 17:01, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar awarded for helping to work out some css for me, even though I use an obscure skin. Thank!   An optimist on the run! 16:10, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks from me, too; as you saw, I used your selector once I figured out that Classic was weird. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:40, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both! I'm always happy to help in ways like this. I quite enjoy mucking around with CSS. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 17:01, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

BillboardID

(Note to self: relates to this edit.) – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 20:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Just to let you know I used your idea as the basis for implementing the new {{BillboardID}}. I wound up splitting it up only at the first character level. I was glad to see that the trick doesn't cause problems with change detection: Wiki software is still well aware that the article that uses {{BillboardID|Lady Gaga}} actually depends on {{BillboardID/L}}.—Kww(talk) 06:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'm glad you liked it. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 20:21, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Perhaps it's because we edit in the same areas, but I keep on running into your name as I work. And, every time I do, I think, "What a useful, productive person!" So, it's time I told you: Your edits are good, and you should feel good for making them! Sophus Bie (talk) 19:47, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much; that means a lot to me! We do seem to have a lot in common, though you do so much more on Wikipedia than me. I don't have the time to edit anywhere near as much as I'd like, though hopefully I'll have more time for Wikipedia at some point in the next few months.

Do you remember that you were the one who first welcomed me to Wikipedia? I didn't reply at the time but I'd like to thank you for that, particularly for personalising your message to refer to things I'd done. It might seem like a little thing, but it made your message so much more personal than if you had just used {{subst:WelcomeShout}} without anything else. Thank you! – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 15:17, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

You're very welcome! I doubt I actually have that much more output per time than you; your edits tend to be much more substantial than mine, on average. In any case, Wikipedia editing is volunteer work, so you should be commended for editing at all!

I did vaguely remember welcoming you; it was my pleasure! And I do mean that! It was nice to see a new user who obviously knew what they were doing, and I'm glad I could brighten your day with a few words. Not to mention, when you become an admin one day, I can point to you and brag, "See that nifty person? I was the first to welcome them!" :P Sophus Bie ^(talk) 13:06, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

You keep saying things to make me smile! You really think I could be an admin eventually? Well, who knows what the future might bring... Adminship is not something I've seriously considered, though I might give it a try some day. There are certainly enough administrative tasks on Wikipedia. If you want something else to brag about, you were also the first "mention" I received on Echo.

BTW, you're right about the amount of time I spend on each edit – I spend a lot of time on most of my edits, even some of the ones that look fairly trivial. I'm sometimes a little OCD about making sure there's nothing wrong with an edit before I save it. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 18:17, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

It's all part of my secret plan to solve the energy crisis via mega-watt smiles! "But professor! Smiles do not actually produce any noticeable energy output!" "Vell vhy didn't anyvhone tell me zis before I applied for a grant?!"

I do indeed think you'd make a good admin! There's probably some task you're doing that the userrights would make easier. Horray! Echo finally does some good! It's about time, grumble, grumble.

Well, the time you spend shows. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Your edits are good, and you should feel good. And you're not the only one around here who's a bit obsessive; I think this kind of work attracts our sort. :D Sophus Bie ^(talk) 20:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

BOTH of you really should be admins. ;) -- œ^™ 07:13, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Coming from an existing admin, that is high praise indeed! Thank you! – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 13:37, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I value your opinion, so that is indeed high praise! Maybe it is time I cleared a couple of afternoons of free time and ran the gauntlet at WP:RfA... Sophus Bie ^(talk) 20:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

I am willing to provide a nomination. Whenever you feel ready.. -- œ^™ 13:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, OlEnglish! I think I'll take you up on that sometime in the next few weeks. Sophus Bie ^(talk) 00:18, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:Requests for adminship/Sophus Bie is now on my watchlist... Good luck! – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 00:31, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Editing problems at VPT

Hi, re this edit and this one, both of which inserted odd snippets of text into other people's posts - any idea what causes that? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Not entirely. It only seems to happen after I use "Show changes" or if I get an edit conflict. Both screens include a "diff" display, so it might be related to that somehow. The weirdness doesn't show in the diff before I save. I tried to reproduce the issue in my sandbox a few days ago, but wasn't able to; I suspect it only happens on larger pages. For the last day or so I've been checking back over every edit I make to see if it happens again, but thus far it hasn't. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 19:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Шаблон:Документація/start box

Sorry this is in another languge but I found a template documentation which works like before they removed the code so now you can keep view edit history and purge on the right side instead of being next to template documentation name uk:Шаблон:Документація/start box 86.157.76.203 (talk) 19:57, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I guess you're responding to this discussion I started at Template talk:Documentation. The template code on the Ukrainian Wikipedia has the same problem if used on the English Wikipedia (i.e. links show on the left before the heading). It works on the Ukrainian Wikipedia because the developers haven't made the same CSS changes there (yet).

Since WOSlinker applied the changes I suggested, this is no longer an issue on the English Wikipedia. The change makes the links show after the heading, though left-aligned by default. To make them right-aligned, enable the "Move section [edit] links to the right side of the screen" gadget in preferences (it also affects the documentation links). – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 20:19, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Testing a new template

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive 45#Testing a new template. Since you're a frequent contributor to {{Service awards}}, I thought you'd want to see this. APerson (talk!) 02:19, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Awards articles category

(Note to self: relates to this edit.)

Category:Awards articles is currently polluted - see User talk:Mutt/Sandbox2. GoingBatty (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Yup, and I'm fixing that (e.g. this edit). I'm not sure if it's acceptable to use WikiProject banners on user sandboxes (might be up to the WikiProject?), so I'm leaving Mutt's sandbox alone. I'm concentrating on removing the mainspace uses (just one remaining). – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 18:25, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm done. There are now zero uses in mainspace. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 18:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

So sorry about that, now deleted. My thanks for all your work on this. Mutt (talk) 18:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Reverted edit

(Note to self: relates to this edit.)

If you would be so kind, take a look at the article Texas_Instruments_TI-99/4A where you reverted my removal of the text "nbsp" and see if your reversion resulted in the desired affect. It is always a good idea to, um, actually look at the article after you make a change to it. --Dan East (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Oops... I didn't spot that typo. I've fixed it now. Sorry about that. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 21:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:User en-gb

(Note to self: relates to this edit.)

It looks like I went to correct my mistake just after you had fixed it. However, we used different methods. I was wondering if you knew of a difference or had a preference between the two:

• {{documentation|Template:User x/doc|content={{User x/doc|British English}}}}
• {{documentation|content={{Template:User x/doc|British English}}}}

Hyacinth (talk) 23:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I was working from the example in documentation at Template:Documentation/doc, just before the "Best practice" heading. The first option allows the "The above documentation is transcluded from ..." text to appear beneath the doc box, with edit and history links for Template:User x/doc. The second option omits this line. My preference would be for the first option. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 23:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

One could move {{User x/doc}} to Template:User x, and then put its documentation at Template:User x/doc. Would you have an opinion? I created {{User x}}, and have tested it at {{User tr}}, but it has some disadvantages, such as {{documentation subpage}} not displaying. Hyacinth (talk) 05:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this since you mentioned the Category:Wikipedia pages with strange ((documentation)) usage problem in one of your edit summaries. I definitely agree with putting the main template content at {{User x}} with documentation at /doc, as it would solve this problem.

As for {{documentation subpage}}, where would you expect this to appear? The notice should only appear on /doc subpages, and is suppressed on a template's front page. On a template front page, documentation is instead marked by the {{documentation}} green box. Thus far, I've only seen {{User x}} used directly with {{documentation}}, with the green box. If it were placed on a /doc page, the documentation subpage notice should show. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 22:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Possibilities (Hyacinth (talk) 22:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)):

Primary doc	Secondary doc	Advantages/Disadvantages
Template:User x	Template:User x	Documentation for primary doc template appears on the template itself. ✓ Template and its documentation can be updated together. ✓ Documentation appears in a green box using {{documentation|content=}}. ✗ Goes against the norms for templates, so can confuse editors. ✗ Documentation and categories cannot be edited if the template is protected. ✗ Easy to mix up the documentation for the userboxes and the documentation for the primary doc template. (Ditto for categories.) ✗ Edits to the documentation cause every page where the template is used to be re-parsed.
Template:User x	Template:User x/doc	Documentation for primary doc template is transcluded from a /doc subpage. ✓ Documentation appears in a green box using {{documentation}}. ✓ The documentation subpage notice appears on the /doc page. ✓ Matches typical template documentation, so less likely to confuse. ✓ Documentation and categories can still be edited if the template is protected. ✓ Documentation and categories for the userboxes and of the documentation template are clearly separated. ✓ Edits to the documentation only re-parse the /doc page and the template page itself. ✗ Updating the doc template and its /doc subpage requires separate edits.
Template:User x/doc	Template:User x/doc/doc	Primary doc template is on a /doc page, with its own documentation on /doc/doc. ✓ The documentation subpage notice can appear on one or both pages. ✓ Documentation and categories can still be edited if the template is protected. ✓ Documentation and categories for the userboxes and of the documentation template are clearly separated. ✓ Edits to the documentation only re-parse two pages. ✗ Use of {{documentation}} adds Category:Wikipedia pages with strange ((documentation)) usage. ✗ /doc/doc looks silly and confusing. ✗ User x/doc looks like it should be the documentation for User x, but is not. ✗ Updating the /doc template and its /doc/doc subpage requires separate edits.
Template:User x	Template:User y	The primary doc template is used directly on the userboxes it documents. ✓ Documentation appears in a green box using {{documentation|Template:User x|content={{User x}}}}. ✓ Primary doc template can be added in a single edit. ✓ The green box has an edit link to edit the primary doc template. ✗ Uses advanced {{documentation}} syntax that might confuse some editors. ✗ If the {{user x}} template call needs amending, the template itself must be updated. ✗ If extra documentation or categories are needed for a particular userbox, the template itself must be updated.
Template:User x	Template:User y/doc	The primary doc template is used on the /doc page of userboxes it documents. ✓ Documentation appears in a green box using {{documentation}}. ✓ The documentation subpage notice appears on the /doc page. ✓ If the {{user x}} template call needs amending, it can be done in the /doc page. ✓ If extra documentation or categories are needed for a particular userbox, they can be done in the /doc page. ✗ Requires a separate /doc page be set up for every userbox, most of which will have trivial content. ✗ The edit link in the green box edits the /doc subpage, not the primary doc template.
Template:Y	various	Each userbox has its own documentation, with no primary doc template. ✓ Documentation appears in a green box using {{documentation}}. ✓ The documentation subpage notice can appear on a /doc page. ✓ If extra documentation or categories are needed for a particular userbox, they can be done in the /doc page. ✓ Edits to the doc content for just one userbox are easy to make. ✓ The edit link in the green box edits the /doc subpage, which contains the primary doc content. ✗ Userbox doc pages are likely to get out-of-sync. ✗ Making an edit across all userbox doc pages involves a lot of effort. ✗ Requires a separate /doc page be set up for every userbox, with a lot of copy-and-pasted content.

Nice idea for structuring this discussion. I've filled out the advantages/disadvantages column. I'm not sure I've read the table right, so before each list of adv/disadvantages I've added a note of what I interpret that line to mean. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 00:38, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your correction

(Note to self: relates to this edit.)

In the Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Editing, Creating, and Maintaining Articles/Editing for the First Time, I'm sorry for my carelessness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhong Fu (talk • contribs) 11:50, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

No worries. Looking at that section again inspired me to do a bit more cleanup, so all worked out well in the end. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 17:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)