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Hello Paper9oll, I edited a lot of things on the Extraordinary Attorney Woo page, and most are currently deleted. I understand that a lot of my edits may have been too specific. However, my edit on the suicide scene doesn't seem to be too specific. Non-Korean viewers of EAW mistakenly believe that Young-woo attempted suicide due to stress from society's negative view on autism. However, the 'suicide attempt' was a experiment related to the case, not an actual suicide attempt. That's why I edited that part. I would like you to consider that. Thanks, Cane Walker Wheelchair Cane Walker Wheelchair (talk) 05:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Cane Walker Wheelchair Your edit summary is clearly misleading as you are clearly not "fixing typo", changing content is NOT "fixing typo". In addition, you shouldn't be adding and/or expanding plot summary beyond 200 words per MOS:PLOTLENGTH. Lastly, you also added a bunch of unnecessary line breaks, please don't do that. You're free to however correct the plot summary as long as you correct your edit summary, DON'T exceed 200 words limits, and DON'T add bunch of unnecessary line breaks. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:29, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

@Paper9oll Got it.-Cane Walker Wheelchair — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cane Walker Wheelchair (talk • contribs) 05:31, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

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00:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

About Between 1 &2 track list

I think we should update the length of the songs and the album after it releases, we aren't sure if they are correct ones. Please update after the album release OnceBlinkMidzy (talk) 14:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@OnceBlinkMidzy See iTunes. You must use the iTunes desktop app on Windows or iTunes Store on Mac to view it, you won't see it on Apple Music website. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:00, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry,I didn't know,if i knew i would not make this mistake OnceBlinkMidzy (talk) 15:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know OnceBlinkMidzy (talk) 15:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

@OnceBlinkMidzy No worries! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Nancy (singer)

I appreciate your comments today on the biography of Nancy Jewel McDonie. Some of your edits were good, but I wanted to better understand your rationale on others. Much of the material in my edits comes from the podcast of Eric Nam. He is an American of South Korean origin, who went to Boston College, and then became a media personality in Korea. Among other things he hosts a podcast and three Momoland members were interviewed extensively in this podcast, including Nancy, in which she shares her story about her parents meeting, her growing up in Columbus Ohio, and moving back to Korea, etc. I do not not understand your comments about, which of her life details are " necessary " and even what that means. Are you saying that this is intrusive on her privacy, or are you saying the details are too trival to include in a wikipedia bio? As an editor it is unclear to me how you are definining unnecessary?

You had also reverted some edits based on a source reliabilty concern. It was unclear which data you reverted for this reason versus "unnecessary". I can muster several alternate sources if needed to satify you. Kops2222 (talk) 04:35, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

@Kops2222 Eh... what on earth are you talking about??? Most of your comments above make zero sense to me and/or doesn't concern my manual reverts. Per this diff, I removed extra spacing between references per WP:REFSPACE, and also the entire paragraph concerning her education which you added it, however Channel Korea which you added is considered unreliable source per WP:KO/RS#UR. Subsequent edits per this diff and this diff are simply MOS and/or syntax changes in which I stated in the edit summaries for both edits as "unnecessary". — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:54, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Hello, World! (EP)

Hi Paper9oll! May I ask if do you do reviews of draft articles? The Draft:Hello, World! (EP) is left unreviewed for a while, I will really appreciate it if you could review the said draft. Thanks! - jampol 04:42, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 Hi, Draft:Hello, World! (EP) isn't ready for mainspace yet. Please improve the draft in particularly on the citations, I have tagged 2 sentences with citation needed as they are unsourced. I have also tagged 2 Twitter sources, please replace both Twitter sources with secondary reliable news source instead. The composition section can be further improved by writing on the EP's tracks like their genres. Fyi, we don't list Hanteo Charts. We also don't list Melon, Bugs!, iTunes, etc as they are WP:SINGLEVENDOR. The only recognized chart for SK in English Wikipedia is the Circle Album Chart (previously named Gaon Album Chart) per WP:GOODCHARTS for album/EP, Circle Digital Chart (previously named Gaon Digital Chart) for singles, and Billboard K-pop Hot 100 (defunct) or Billboard South Korea Songs (replacement of K-pop Hot 100) for singles. Also noting that the band currently doesn't has an article, hence that article should be created first before the EPs. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll take note of these points. Thank you for this! Have a good day. - jampol 14:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

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23:03, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Xdinary Heroes filmography section

Hi @Paper9oll! You said in an edit "Please add back with reliable sources provided." May I ask how can I cite articles for that section? Should I create a column for it cite it beside the name of the show? Thanks!- jampol 21:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 Yes include the reference(s) in its own column at the end; see WP:FILMOGRAPHY. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:03, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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Please source information on the target article when creating redirects

You recently created 28 Reasons as a redirect to Seulgi's article but the title is still not mentioned there. Please add one and ensure in future the title is at least mentioned, otherwise this is not considered a valid redirect and can be nominated for deletion. I'm well aware it's just been announced, but it is your responsibility as the creator of the redirect to ensure something is mentioned at the target article. Thank you. Ss112 05:38, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

My apologies, I created it when I saw the Instagram update on RV official account. However, I was waiting for an reliable news sources to be available on Naver which are normally published few hours later in South Korea as suppose to unreliable sources (Allkpop, Koreaboo, Soompi, etc) which published them faster. However, the timing which reliable news sources are published by Korean medias are early midnight in which I was already asleep already during weekdays. While I understand that I could add it when I was awake however due to work commitments, I was unfortunately able to do so at night only. Will make sure to update the target in the future, and provide primary source as a temporary source until there is opportunity to replace it with permanent reliable news sources if someone hasn't done so. Apologies for the inconvenience caused. Thanks! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Jung So-min English Wikipedia page

Well... You say my edits is not 'constructive'. All my contribution is just add JSM's info as complete as possible. Really don't understand what you mean by 'constructive'. Can you explain in detail? Phatonfire98 (talk) 10:22, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Some of my edits are based on Korean version of Jung So-min Wikipedia page. If they're unacceptable by some reasons, then why the Korean version is still OK? Hope you will explain it reasonably. Phatonfire98 (talk) 10:37, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

@Phatonfire98 None of your edits are "constructive" as supposed to what you boldly and cluelessly stated of "as complete as possible". The term "introducing" that will be used throughout this reply refers to "adding" and/or "changing". Introducing unsourced materials in violation of WP:BURDEN and WP:VERIFY. Introducing styling changes (regardless of syntax or content) in violation of WP:MOS. Introducing inappropriate external links in violation of WP:EL. Introducing content (guesting and/or one-time appearances for radio and/or television shows roles) that goes against multiple consensus at WT:KO. Each Wikimedia projects has their own set of policies and guidelines, contents that are acceptable on other Wikimedia projects are not necessarily acceptable on English Wikipedia or vice versa. Please also note that, repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be despite being informed that it's unacceptable and/or inappropriate and/or going against consensus and/or going against policies and guidelines by multiple editors is considered as edit warring and blockable offence. Pretending that you didn't heard that is considered as disruptive editing and is also blockable offence. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:37, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, I'm not going to make any edit war. All I need is an explanation which is reasonable for your decision. And it seems that Wikipedia policy, or guidelines caused my edits unacceptable. I won't blame your revert, for it's your responsibility with Wiki community. But I have to say some words about my case; that is many good-faith users like me will be discouraged from making helpful contributions to Wikipedia pages just because of its tough, rigid policies, ofc its copyright policy is still OK with me. Anyways, thank you for your explanation. Phatonfire98 (talk) 13:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

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Fandom names

Hi @Paper9oll! I have a question about fandom names. If I have found a online news source about the announcement of the fandom name, is it still not noteworthy? Thanks! - jampol 03:52, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 No such news are not considered notable events hence is not noteworthy to be included, please read WP:ROUTINE. Furthermore, we rarely include the fandom of the person/group/band in K-pop articles itself (I'm referring to well-maintained ones), the only exception is BTS article as far as I'm aware of, given that that fandom get quite significant coverage from various media around the world. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I understand now, thank you so much! - jampol 04:06, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

First Lady (South Korean TV series)

Lady (TV series) , Pictures have been released showing Lee Ji Ah from filming. The crew and story have also been confirmed.!?? Muatsem90 (talk) 14:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Muatsem90 Yes I know, please give me around two hours to create it. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:38, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

@Muatsem90  Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:24, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

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Voltage song by itzy article

I have created the article in my sand box so please suggest if should wait or make any more changes User:OnceBlinkMidzy/sandbox OnceBlinkMidzy (talk) 06:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

@OnceBlinkMidzy Definitely need to more changes. Starting with the lead, you're already WP:CITEBOMB 3 sources reporting on the same stuff. And where is the source for Composition and Promotion section??? And for Credits and personnel, reference should be after the period/fullstop per MOS:REFPUNCT. Same for track listing, it should be positioned before Credits and personnel not after, same MOS issues, and also incorrect usage, read Template:Track listing. And also source not needed for track listing per WP:TRACKLIST, furthermore the Ktown4u source you added is obviously fake as "Voltage" was released in 2022 not 2018. And also, where is the Charts section??? I would suggest that you created under Draft:Voltage instead of directly through mainspace once it's ready which for me is nowhere near. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know OnceBlinkMidzy (talk) 13:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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Production houses' websites

Hi @Paper9oll! I found out who produced and directed these particular MVs, should I cite an Instagram post if the production house don't have a website? I have also found a LinkedIn profile, should I cite that instead of the IG posts? Thanks! - jampol 08:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 Not sure what article exactly you're even referring to, please give some context instead of posting randomly. I'm not a mindreader. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Paper9oll I'm sorry, I am referring to the MVs of Xdinary Heroes, I found the director and producer in Instagram, but I am not sure if I should cite the IG posts or not; they don't have a website too. Thank you so much! - jampol 13:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 Based on my personal observation, Instagram is applicable for usage for MV videography section provided they're the director/studio's official account (meaning no fan accounts allowed), however they are generally not recommended for use in other portion of the article. That however doesn't mean anyone should rely wholly on Instagram only, if there are better sources available then it should be used instead. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:47, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

@Paper9oll I understand now, thank you for this! - jampol 13:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Infobox nationality vs citizenship

It shouldn't be formatted like that. That note doesn't mention anything about the infobox. Rosé has dual citizenship as well, and it's not formatted the way Jessica and Krstyal's articles are. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 06:11, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Btspurplegalaxy Rosé's infobox is using citizenship not nationality while kind of same, are actually different. For Jessica and Krystal, it used to be "Korean–American" but some idiots think it's better to indicate as "South Korean–American" because their argument is North Korea exists lol. "South Korean–American" is the more precise terminology while "Korean–American" is the more commonly refer to terminology. While "Korean New Zealanders" exists, I don't see it being used as "Korean–New Zealander" and/or "South Korean–New Zealander" before or commonly refer to, hence possibly why Rosé's infobox is segregated using the country instead. I suggest you read this article about the differences between citizenship and nationality. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:24, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

I know the difference. I saw it as citizenship for some reason. I guess I didn't look at it too clearly. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 06:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok no problem — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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14:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Reborn Rich

Hi, I sent you a message yesterday to explain my edit on Synopsis for Reborn Rich. Please revert my edit as it provides readers with more insight on the series. There is no copyright violation as I have explained yesterday. If you insist there is, please clarify, thanks. Salsae (talk) 23:26, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

No further explanation required for my end, please read WP:COPYVIO and WP:PLAGIARISM instead. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:47, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

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Huh Yunjin article

Did you see what you did? You ruined and deleted hours and hours of preparation i did for the article, now i can't recover my writing back, if its not suitable for WP standards then you should have move the page as a draft not just redirect to another draft, mine was just much better done and edited and with actual reliable sources. Lightlylove (talk) 04:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lightlylove Firstly, the article you created in mainspace clearly failed WP:GNG, WP:BLP, and WP:NSINGER. I would recommend that you read on WP:YFA before continued to create any other articles regardless of any subjects. Secondly, the draft is a duplicate subject of an older draft, you should be improving Draft:Huh Yun-jin instead. Thirdly, if you needed it, your "deleted" draft is still available via this revision of which you can copy the entire source code onto your personal sandbox for easy access and further improvements if you wish to. Lastly, DO NOT attempt to re-create the article in mainspace, at the moment, regardless of what you're writing/improving, Huh fails WP:GNG, WP:BLP, and WP:NSINGER. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

The other draft have little and less sources, my article has sources even from prestigious newspapers, its definitely my article the one that comes closer to meet WP standards plus it's also longer and more detailed and i will continue to improve it even better, it has a even composition credits section all contributing to the notability, there's another draft of a singer that its even more notable, has a solo debut and even sold thousands copies of it and still her draft hasn't been moved to mainspace, i think its currently under revision, its Lee Chaeyeon former member of Izone, all the sources from the article are reliable except one which only needs to be removed and its even more polished and wider than those of Chaewon and Yujin(both of izone and ive/le sserafim) articles so why are theirs accepted but hers not? WP is failing to make them justice Lightlylove (talk) 01:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lightlylove Regardless, you created a article in mainspace that clearly failed WP:GNG, WP:BLP, and WP:NSINGER. You have three options now:

1. Improve Draft:Huh Yun-jin with whatever changes you want to as long as it's acceptable.
2. Re-create the draft in User:Lightlylove/sandbox (your personal sandbox) from scratch. If you don't want, read below option.
3. Request for Draft:Huh Yun-jin (2) to be WP:REFUND into User:Lightlylove/sandbox/Huh Yun-jin (subpage of your personal sandbox) so you can get back your entire source code without needing to start from scratch by following the instructions at WP:REFUND.

Fyi, Draft:Chaeyeon (singer) has been moved to mainspace (not by me) because she now meets WP:NSINGER (her solo debut and charting on national chart) which was why it was rejected more than 3 times previously on multiple occasions. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 01:37, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Making Korea into its own chart row in wikitables

Hi Paper9oll. As I know you frequent girl group and other K-pop articles, can you please keep an eye out (and revert) any IP or other editors who make Korea into its own row in wikitables? I have removed this several times from Ive (group), Le Sserafim, Aespa and others but there are editors who keep adding them back. Having more than two rows at the start of a table, e.g. a country with its own group of columns, can cause an WP:ACCESSIBILITY issue for screen readers as screen readers read rows left to right, and the context for which charts belong to which country not being in the same row and not being read aloud immediately after by a screen readers is therefore confusing. With this additional row at the start, this means the chart names would be read after all the other columns horizontally, and this is not helpful or desirable for any visually impaired readers of Wikipedia. So just wondering if you can revert any of these sorts of edits if editors make Korea (or any other country with more than one chart in the table) into its own group of columns again. Thanks. Ss112 00:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ss112 Noted, will keep a lookout. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 01:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hello... about a certain user

Hi Paper9oll, I just wanted to ask about what can be done to stop a user, maybe the same one you warned in the several messages back in July, because he/she keeps making changes to the show "Immortal Songs 2: Singing the Legend" from different IP addresses. He takes one singer/actor (Ji Chang-wook) and just types "Jiji" or "Ji-hun" instead of the real name. Not sure why but it has been done 3 times in the past 4 days from the same IP addresses. I know you can block the user but apparently he/she just changes the IP address to do it again. Now he/she is even changing the main host of the show because it has also been changed in the Korean Wikipedia version but no official announcement has been made of a possible change of host for the show. So, I've reverted his/her changes several times but the user keeps doing the same thing. In the past, he/she also changed names of one actor in the talk show "Radio Star" and in "Knowing Bros." but now it's all focused on "Immortal Songs 2". As I've been the one who normally updates the singers/songs each week, its quite annoying to see this user modify things without evidence. 189.207.60.166 (talk) 14:17, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@189.207.60.166 Looks like that idiot is back again, I really don't know what on earth their real intention are other than vandalizing. I previously encountered them on My Little Old Boy multiple times with same behaviour of changing correct casts and/or guests to incorrect ones. Blocking them is not very useful as they will keep changing IP million times, and they will be back with another IP on another day, as you have experienced it yourself. The only way is to request for semi-protection at request for protection for the article(s) affected but at the same time, this will also means that you won't be edit the article as well unless you register for an account. Fyi, I'm not an admin hence can't block that IP nor can I protect the article. However, what I can do is request for protection via WP:RPP, please let me if you want me to request for it. Thanks! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Sure, if you think that will be useful in terms of stopping (or at least delaying) this user from vandalized the article again. I already have a registered account that I used in the past but I tried adding new pictures for actors/singers who have a quite outdated picture in their Wikipedia profiles but since I never fully understood all the rules involved in Wikipedia to add pictures I kept getting warnings so I haven't logged in a quite a while. I managed to change singer P.O.'s picture and the promotional poster on "Master in the House" was also added by me (although is not the most current poster). But, even if I have to log in again, is better than to revert this user's changes every day or bother you about it. 189.207.60.166 (talk) 14:59, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@189.207.60.166 Not sure if your registered account is currently blocked or not, but warnings "expired" (kind of) after some time unless you're blocked then they don't really expired unless you appeal for your unblock by providing a valid rationale that would satisfy the unblocking admin that you learn your lesson and promise won't do it again. As long as you don't repeat the same mistakes then you most likely won't get warnings again. Most of time, for newly registered users, they will get scrutinised if their added something new without providing reliable source. As for you, if you want to add/update the photo on a article, make sure it's copyright-free, majority of photos that are from Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Naver, etc are copyrighted even if there wasn't any indications that they're copyrighted. Wikimedia Commons only allowed photos that explictly stated that they are licensed under certain licensing like certain version of Creative Commons licensing. You can read about it at Commons:Licensing. On English Wikipedia, only a limited set of photos are allowed, for example: album's cover, promotional poster as long as they are tagged correctly as per WP:Non-free.

Back to the article, protecting it, is not a permanent solution, but just a preventive action. I have watchlisted Immortal Songs 2: Singing the Legend so if that IP come back again with their nonsense, I will request for protection. For now, I won't request for it, however if you wish to, you can do it at WP:RPP/I by following the instructions. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good!

I'll check if my account is still active and log in when I make changes to the page.

Thanks! 189.207.60.166 (talk) 16:18, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Please help me

I dont understand why my edits keep getting deleted. I just want to show Solar as Mata Hari in Mata Hari musical. The picture I used was press image, no copyright written to it. The picture was from Press call so press images should be allowed right? Same like how Hollywood = paparazzi / getty image is allowed on wikipedia right? Please help me. I also want to make FACE album article for Solar. But my FACE cover image is deleted too. Even though album covers should be allowed to be shown since theres no copyright there too right. Solaristhemainvocal (talk) 09:28, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@Solaristhemainvocal You obviously didn't bothered reading the various templated messages (including the linked links) added on your talk page. Hence, don't come and bothered me to help you when you yourself clearly don't know the guidelines and policies and can't be bothered reading it, in turn don't even know you yourself make mistakes. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:33, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Images' copyright

Hello, @Paper9oll! I wonder why my uploads in Wikimedia keeps in getting flagged though I tried to follow the instructions in uploading medias. What info should I input (e.g. Commons license, authors etc.) if the media is a screenshot of a YouTube video? Thanks! - jampol 12:08, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jpmagabo9 I requested your recent upload for speedy deletion because the video where you screenshoted from clearly isn't licensed under Creative Commons licensing hence I'm not sure, how on earth, you came to that conclusion that it's such. Fyi, if you have this misconception of you yourself personally screenshoting it, means that you get to decide it's under Creative Commons licensing, then you're wrong. NOT all videos on YouTube are licensed automatically under Creative Commons licensing, by default, it's licensed under YouTube licensing which isn't compatible for usage on any Wikimedia projects. To check if the videos are licensed under Creative Commons licensing on YouTube, you can expand the description of that video, and if you see "Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)" then this mean that video is licensed under Creative Commons licensing, if you don't see it then it isn't. In addition, majority of the images that are from Google, Bing, Naver, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc are not licensed under Creative Commons licensing and/or any other licensing compatible for usage on Wikimedia projects. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:29, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, that's why. Thanks! I'll be more careful from now on. Thank you for taking your time answering my question. - jampol 12:38, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

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Red Balloon

The channel released the first teaser for the series. http://m.tvchosun.com/broadcast/program/1/C202200126.cstv# Muatsem90 (talk) 17:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Muatsem90 Noted, will get this published by end of today. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:17, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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incorrect info repeatedly restored

Hi, why do you keep reverting the edits that remove incorrect info about the key from the page for Nmixx Dice? AnnaCruces (talk) 21:03, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@AnnaCruces You yourself is the WP:OR as you yourself stated it as incorrect, it's your responsibility to proof it wrong with evidence in the form of secondary reliable sources provided in which you failed to, other than spilling your own thought which is irrelevant here as we write according to what secondary reliable sources indicated as. In addition, I don't need to ask other musicians as they are also OR by spilling their own thoughts. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 01:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

There is not a secondary reliable source cited in the first place. Kindly do not revert edits about topics you do not understand which cite low quality, unreliable sources. You're confused about what WP:OR is here. WP:OR would be me writing the correct key in the article. I did not do that, since I did not find a reliable source to cite. AnnaCruces (talk) 01:23, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@AnnaCruces Once again, you're simply spewing your own thoughts which in case you're unaware of, carries zero weight here. And as I have mentioned earlier, you yourself is the original research as you yourself boldly self-proclaimed that the information is incorrect without having the capacity to prove the information was incorrect by providing even a single secondary reliable source(s) other than stating whatever you please just because you "graduated with music composition major". Fyi, you don't need to add something to considered as original research, you removing it is considered as original research also because you think your own thoughts is correct. In addition, you also wrongly stated that SongBPM indicated as "C Major" when in fact, they like Tunebat, indicated as "G Major" quote "a G key and a major mode". And also, STOP adding and/or replacing sources with WP:SELFPUB as you did at "Loco", Hooktheory is clearly a self-published source just like Wikipedia, where registered contributors can able to change the content themselves which the website also stated clearly. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Please read WP:OR. That is not what it says. I understand that because you have no musical education you incorrectly think that I am "spewing my own thoughts" but that is not the case. Your reverts are akin to someone who does not know basic arithmetic editing pages about algebraic formulas. (minor edit to make my reply in-line, hope that's ok) Also, I am not stating "whatever I please" and I'd kindly ask you to assume that my edits are in good faith. My reference to songbpm was taken from the instrumental page for that song, which is the same backing track with the vocals removed. While that is an oversight on my part, the removal of the vocals does not, of course, change the key. AnnaCruces (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@AnnaCruces Regardless, you're still the original research as you didn't answered my question above which is to simply provide a single secondary reliable source which you simply failed to do so to convince me. Whether or not, I have musical background is none of your business, and I have no legal obligations to disclose such personal details pertaining to privacy (yes I viewed it as such, you can disagreed that isn't privacy all you want, and that's none of your business) openly like you do, of which you're free to do so, however I have to make this clear that I neither confirm nor deny to your statement of "I understand that because you have no musical education". I would very much like to assume your edits are good faith however judging by your inability to provide a single secondary reliable source, I simply can't. As I mentioned above, and to repeat again, Hooktheory is clearly a self-published source just like Wikipedia, where registered contributors can able to change the content themselves which the website also stated clearly so I hopefully don't see you go around posting that "Hooktheory has correct key". In fact, you shouldn't be going around literally every single article for Itzy, and posting on the same topic of "wrong key" and/or "incorrect key", please find a appropriate WikiProject to discuss centrally instead. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 16:33, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thanks replying, and for consolidating my replies. Right, I didn't supply a secondary reliable source because none can be found, which is why, again, I did not insert the correct key info, in order to abide by WP:OR. If JYP has a contract with a publisher to create sheet music for their singles, that would be a better source, but I do not know whether such exists and I am not inclined to spend money to do that. I never asked you to disclose any personal details. I am pointing out that this is mildly specialized knowledge which you shouldn't alter if you're unable to verify it yourself, much as you would not revert an edit that fixed 2+2=5 to 2+2=4 if you did not know arithmetic, just because an anonymous, unverifiable site stated that 2+2=5. Yes, I understood your explanation about hooktheory, no need to repeat. Yes, I fully intend to undergo a project to correct the embarrassing errors that are all over wikipedia that involve the musically illiterate copypasting data off sites that run an algorithm and guess at a piece of music's key, with a high error rate. Meanwhile, the wrong info is posted on many pages, okay. So be it. AnnaCruces (talk) 16:48, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Just a follow-up about good faith which I would like to demonstrate: I want to point out that previously I did edit Dalla Dalla to change the key to A major, after I found a source (hooktheory) with the correct key. I'm letting you know this as you may wish to revert it and that is fine, I understand why and I won't contest it for now. (I'm not reverting it myself because I can't in good conscience publish incorrect information.) However please don't revert my discussions on the Talk pages for songs, there is no justification for that. (Not sure if you did that by accident with Dalla Dalla, perhaps you meant to revert my edit to the article itself.) Feel free to reply to such a discussion. AnnaCruces (talk) 18:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@AnnaCruces Thanks for informing, I have reverted it as per the reasons I have given above pertaining to Hooktheory. All of your discussions are pertaining to the same concern of Tunebat and other music key platforms being unreliable (not according to me) hence as I have mentioned above, please find a appropriate WikiProject to centralized discuss that instead of spamming the same concern of every single Itzy's songs article's talk page. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:30, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Lee Chae-yeon copyrighted image

Did you even watch the link, the page clearly stated that is under creative common license, please see properly before doing something. Lightlylove (talk) 05:09, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Lightlylove Lmao, new user trying to educate me huh. The video content itself is licensed under Creative Commons license but the thumbnail isn't, it's licensed under YouTube licensing instead. This has been discussed multiple times in case you're unaware of. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:52, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I can be a new user but still be much more educated in you and now sorry to burst your bubble but i was actually a wikipedia contributor since 2009, i deleted my account in 2018 and now opened one again in case you're unware, you're not being polite either, WP does not accept meanness while talking to other users. Lightlylove (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Lightlylove Firstly, you started being dispolite first, your tone. Secondly, I'm not stupid, there are no options available to "delete my account" but vanishing does exists. Thirdly, whether or not you vanish in 2018 or if you were blocked indef in 2018 is only something that you yourself know of. And whether or not, you come back as WP:SOCK if you were indeed blocked indef back in 2018 is also something you yourself know of, hopefully it isn't this. Fourthly, your knowledge of "more educated", I guess in related to the initial question, is simply incorrect, and if linking "more educated" to "a wikipedia contributor since 2009", simply makes zero sense, as this is something you should know yourself which sadly isn't as you uploaded copyrighted image before. I don't care if you are "more educated" in other parts, this is not an examination. Lastly, I don't see any point in continue this discussion any further as I have answered your initial queries. My apologies for any impoliteness if you feel offended. In addition, I don't need your apologies, if you want to, you can do so and I will accept it, if you don't want to, it's okay, I'm not petty on such small issues. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:01, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

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Jung Eunji page

Hello. I would like to ask why my past 2 edits were reverted. Thanks! Ayezandra (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I have manually restore the constructive portion made by you. The unconstructive portions made by you such as changing the surname without consensus, and addition of unsourced content, was not restored. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:55, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect synopsis on Reborn Rich

I have previously wrote to you informing you that your synopsis on Reborn Rich is incorrect and provided you a news piece as verification. You didn't fix it nor respond to me so I have corrected it myself but you removed it. Yoon Hyun Woo was murdered by his employer, the Jin family of Sunyang Group, and not by Jin Do Joon (a young child) There are many news / articles circulated which you can verify against. Please correct it as Wikepedia should be a reliable source where many access. Salsae (talk) 07:59, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Salsae As far as I'm aware of, I had replied to you, if you don't read it and/or can't be bother to read it and/or not happy with the reply and/or can't read English and/or can't interpret human language then it isn't my problem. All of the news articles from agencies based in South Korea itself, stated what is the currently written as in the article, and also NME (a reliable English source that can be used here on English Wikipedia) stated exactly what was written on Reborn Rich, quote "He is eventually betrayed and killed by the group's youngest son Jin Do-joon". In addition, I don't read rubbish articles published by Soompi, Koreaboo, Allkpop, etc, so if that's what they written as then so be it, as they are considered as unreliable sources per WP:KO/RS#UR. Btw, quote "Wikepedia should be a reliable source where many access", fyi, Wikipedia IS NOT a reliable source per WP:WINARS. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Ok, the sources that I read said that he was betrayed by his employer. I just read different source from you, you didn't have to be so rude in your response???

Why did you remove my note that RebornRich has sold the largest number of OTT sales?? the reference I inserted clearly says that. If you open the page from Chrome, the title clearly says "The youngest son of a conglomerate', the largest number of domestic OTT releases" Salsae (talk) 09:17, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Salsae You're rude first btw 🤦‍♂️ for false accusation, so here is my apologies and excuse my language. Erm ... I wonder where's yours 🤔. And also, please don't add WP:TRIVIA and NOT every single news has to be included here per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:ROUTINE. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Ref no.7 is mine which mentions all the OTT and states that the series has sold to the largest number of domestic OTT. I think this is crucial information for readers and the series fans hence I’ve added. Ref 8 and 9 are not mine, I just moved them to the end when I rewrote the sentence. I think you can remove 8 and 9 is deemed fit. Apologies I’m not sure what is WP:TRIVIA as I’m not familiar with editing wike pages. Salsae (talk) 11:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

@Salsae I didn't mentioned nor talk about references, it wasn't a references issue. I mentioned about WP:TRIVIA as information such as "largest number of domestic OTT" is simply trivia and only "interest only a particular audience". In addition, pertaining to quote "this is crucial information for readers and the series fans hence I've added" in particularly "the series fans", you should read on WP:FANCRUFT. Tldr, don't you come here on English Wikipedia and spread your fancrufty stuff, if you are here for such stuff, then you're sadly in the wrong place, go elsewhere instead. In fact, your initial and subsequent replies of "Wikepedia should be a reliable source where many access" and "the series fans" suggests to me that you're here to build a fandom cult (by adding fancrufty into article for the "fans") instead of a encyclopedia. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:15, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Re: Kang Seungyoon edit

Hi, I should have left an edit summary but I removed the Korean subtitle on "Soso" because the Korean is incorrect! The current subtitle published is actually for a different song, "Ah Yeah (아예)". Apologies for leaving out the edit summary I'll do that in the future. Thanks! 119.206.66.102 (talk) 09:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

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An Inquiry

Hi @Paper9oll! May I ask if television and radio guesting notable enough to be included in articles? For example, the group appeared on K-909 and Immortal Songs as part of their promotions for their album. Should I still include that? Thanks! - jampol 05:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jpmagabo9, not sure what you meant for "for example, the group", who is "the group". Regardless, guesting and/or one-time appearances (this includes guesting multiple times over a certain period) cannot be included in the article(s) as per multiple consensus held previously on WT:KO. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Paper9oll! - jampol 05:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Asking for your opinion

Hello, Sir @Paper9oll! Could you please take a look at the Draft:Overload_(EP)? I just wanna ask for your opinion about the said draft. Thank you! - jampol 11:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Jpmagabo9, please fix the {{Citation needed}} at the Background and release section. In addition, please fix the following sentence "The first track "Zzz.." "compares the reality into dreams while sleeping"" as it's completely broken and make zero sense. To me, this sentence looks like it was just pasted randomly. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:31, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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En dashes in file names

Hi. Just a note for the names of any future file uploads: you might want to make the en dashes in them just hyphens, because en dashes can't be typed by regular keyboards and a bot always makes a redirect with a hyphen in place of the en dash to the file name anyway: [45]. Ss112 07:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Noted, thanks! — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 07:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Stop reverting a valid FFD

Stop reverting a valid FFD. Unless you have OTRS access and can actually see the ticket, then you cannot know what permissions have been given. -- Whpq (talk) 04:29, 25 November 2022 (UTC) I see you haver reverted more stuff. Please restore all of the FFD tags and other related edits. -- Whpq (talk) 04:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

@Whpq The IP is disruptive btw, in case you unaware of, they previously did that on Commons using another IP of same range. And also, the rationale of quote "Album covers published by YG Entertainment were released under CC-BY-2.0 licence by YG Entertainment on October 25, 2013" is ridiculous, Blackpink debuted in 2016 and all of the files listed of FFD was released in 2016 and after hence how on earth is it related to "Album covers published by YG Entertainment were released under CC-BY-2.0 licence by YG Entertainment on October 25, 2013", unless you're telling me, they time machine back in time to 2013, then I have no words to say. Anyway, if you have OTRS access, please look into it asap, as the FFD is ridiculous and make zero sense from my pov and imo is simply IP trolling around. And btw, you're free to revert my revert on those files listed for FFD. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:33, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I am not and OTRS agent, and neither are you. So neither one of us knows what is in that ticket. There are certainly tickets out there where permission has been given to future images, so the fact that these album covers are released subsequent to the ticket does not mean that they cannot be covered. What should happen is that this is put through FFD. We get an OTRS agent to check and determine if any or all of these images are covered by the ticket. The FFD will close with a formal decision which is recorded in the FFD, and on the talk page of each image, That way there will be a record of this so if the questions comes up again, the answer is already documented and visible to all editors on the talk page. Please restore all of the stuff your reverted and let the FFD run its course. -- Whpq (talk) 05:03, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

@Whpq Ok noted, I had restored all the tagged files prior to the latest reply. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:05, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. -- Whpq (talk) 05:14, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Kim So-won draft

So could you please check my draft for Kim So-won. I need some advice on also where to get my references ♡Shenshouting♡^{talk and talk} 13:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Here is the link Draft: Kim Sowon ♡Shenshouting♡^{talk and talk} 13:17, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

@Shenshouting I have merged your draft into Draft:Kim So-won as it is duplicate topic of an older existing draft, please improve Draft:Kim So-won instead. Fyi, the topic in mainspace was previously soft-delete (redirect back to draftspace) per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim So-jeong (it's previously named Kim So-jeong on mainspace and draftspace and recently moved to its current name). If you need to find reliable sources then Naver News[46] is your safest bet, provided you know what search terms to input on, I would normally search using like the topic name or topic name + specific genre (like the album/EP/single/drama's name). — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:24, 25 November 2022 (UTC)