Palefire1983

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Re: Hello

Please do not canvass other users to skew the momentum of debate. Doing so is considered gaming our system of consenus and merely serves to polarise the editting community. Wikipedia is not a battleground. Please take a look at the Wikipedia's introduction page if you wish to continue contributing to our encyclopedia. Distrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point is forbidden, and could get you blocked.

I'm willing to assume good faith you're a unique editor, but what I do not want to see is Talk:England descend into chaos based on your opinion only. Take note:

The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or the material may be removed.

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Stating England is a province when it is clearly not an exclusively used, even verifiable term is not conductive to working within the spirit of neutrality, compromise, and camaraderie on this issue. --Jza84 |  Talk  19:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Scotland

Hiya Palefire. As far is Scotland, England, Wales & Northern Ireland is concerned, the Queen's regnal name is Elizabeth II. GoodDay (talk) 16:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

So, does that mean George W. Bush is the 10th President of the USA, in Alaska & Hawaii? GoodDay (talk) 16:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Besides, it's already pointed out in the article List of titles and honours of Queen Elizabeth II, that a future UK monarch named James, David, Malcolm etc. He'll go by James VIII of the United Kingdom, David III of the United Kingdom, Malcolm V of the United Kingdom etc. GoodDay (talk) 17:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Scotland is a constituent country of the United Kingdom. In otherwords, Scotland is not independant (hasn't been since 1707). Again, future UK monarchs will number themselves after either their Scottish or English predecessors (depending on which has the higher regnal number). A future King James, will be James VIII of the United Kingdom (even though England & Wales have only had 2 King James'). GoodDay (talk) 17:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Alaska & Hawaii became American states in 1959. According to your Elizabet of Scotland argument, Dwight Eisenhower would've been those states 1st President. By the way, why aren't ya mentioning the fact that there's never been a Elizabeth I of the United Kingdom? GoodDay (talk) 17:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

After 301+ years, I think it's a little late to worry about 'what should've been'. PS- are you requesting, that the following UK monarch article titles be moved to the following? William I of the United Kingdom, Edward I of the United Kingdom, Edward II of the United Kingdom & Elizabeth I of the United Kingdom? GoodDay (talk) 17:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Okie Dokie, scrap the American comparison. What are you proposing for the Scotland article? GoodDay (talk) 17:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I am not proposing any change as it is clear that the regnal numbers problem will be solved. Thanks for understanding my objections to your US analogy. My initial objection to this whole thing was the way in which it was dismissed by Jza84. After that, you engaged me in this enjoyable debate!!--Palefire1983 (talk) 17:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you wanted Liz's name shown as Elizabeth I or Elizabeth, at the Scotland article. PS- I'm glad you've enjoyed this debate, thanks. GoodDay (talk) 17:53, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Re your points about the numericals of the British monarchy, please see the article entitled MacCormick v. Lord Advocate. If you have a source that Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom reigns in Scotland as Elizabeth I, by all means share this at Talk:Scotland so it can be peer-assessed. Otherwise, please be mindful that Wikipedia is not a forum for speculation; all contributions must be based on reliable source material, not personal interpretation.

Please also note that you are required to be civil and make no personal attacks. I am an administrator, and am displeased with your additions on Talk:Scotland. Remember, Wikipedia is not a battleground; we're volunteers trying to write an encyclopedia. Incivility is disallowed and could get you blocked.

Otherwise, good luck in the future. --Jza84 |  Talk  18:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello:

1) I haven't deleted any of your messages.

2) I repsonded on Talk:Scotland and above.

3) I just picked Lincolnshire as an example of a place in the United Kingdom. Don't get hung up on it being an English county.

4) Cite your sources for any and all additions you make to Wikipedia please.

5) I trust that makes clear any points that have been misunderstood.

Goodbye, --Jza84 |  Talk  12:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)