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List of Teen Dramas

No probs. Thanks. Hcns (talk) 03:32, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Your recent edits on List of defunct retailers of the United States

I have noticed that you had recently added Original research and Essay-like templates to List of defunct retailers of the United States. Since you appear to be conscientious editor, it would be nice if you are able to point out the particular problems with this particular list that prompted you to add those templates since it is very difficult to fix something something if no one is able to figure out what the particular problem is. The best place for you to point out these problems is to bring the topic up on that list's Talk Page.

Is your main concern is the "preface" that appeared to have popped up just a year ago? (This edit) If so, I would be happy to revert the additions that were made in 2014 since I am not crazy about it myself.

If you are unable to point out the particular parts that could use some improvements, I might revert you edit and label your edit as another case of "drive-by tagging" since those incidents would never lead to any constructive improvements because no one would be able to discover the exact problem that requires fixing. 107.216.165.224 (talk) 23:49, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and for your addition to Talk:List of defunct retailers of the United States since there is now a record of your objections now which would allow me to make a large deletion without starting a nonproductve WP:EDITWAR. 107.216.165.224 (talk) 00:49, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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Tagged (web series)

I had forgotten that the third season was released on Hulu. I've made this edit in light of that to try to "bridge the gap" – it did begin as more of a true "web series" (in the original, traditional sense), but it did end its run as a "streaming series". Hopefully, this is a satisfactory resolution. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:52, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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The "Disney+ Original Series Template" page has always stuck to series that already have existing pages... and I understand that. However, I believe it is best if we include every original series that exist on the streaming service - regardless of page status (pages or no pages available). Just because, if we don't include them it causes a bit of confusion when people are looking for certain series under this section banner and cannot find them. Please allow us all to add ALL existing Disney+ original series in order to eliminate confusion. NO SERIES OR FILM TITLE SHOULD BE LEFT OUT. I think it is important and other editors like me agree.

Please, I ask that you stand with me on this decision. Others like user Oinkers42 are trying to prevent every title from being added due to non-existing page links.

I ask that all users stand with me on this decision, to change this template for the better. Thank you! --Mattsyman (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Policy on lists of TV series containing total episode counts vs. released episode counts

I used to be a very active maintainer of several lists of TV series (particularly List of Apple TV+ original programming), but I have been far less active over the past year, which is why I'm asking this question now. Previously, we would update the episode counts in this list each week so that it only contained the count of released episodes (as was done in the individual show articles). I'm assuming there must have been a policy change, but a brief search didn't reveal anything. If you wouldn't mind directing me towards when this change was made, that would be much appreciated.

If this is the new policy, does it also apply to episode counts on individual show articles as well? Also, what are the guidelines around what season and episode is used. For instance, if a show has 2 10-episode seasons ordered, but the first season has aired 6 episodes, do we list 2 seasons, 20 episodes, or 1 season, 10 episodes?

Thanks for clarifying, as regardless of the specific rule, it is not being consistently followed within List of Apple TV+ original programming, and I would like to fix it. Rmaloney3 (talk) 18:56, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi there, it seems to be not so much a policy/rule as status quo, apparently - I've tried updating other streaming programming pages to only show aired episodes in the tables, only to have the changes reverted and be told that that wasn't the case. To be honest, it seems worth it to bring up as a discussion item with WP:TV to gain some consensus on what the practice should be. Currently the precedent seems to be "current season + number of episodes ordered for the current season" on the streaming programming lists.

On the other hand, there is definitely clear guidance on the individual show articles, as the TV infobox clearly states that the number of episodes should be incremented only as they're aired. Nisf (talk) 23:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

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• I opened a Talk section for you on 24 August 2022. You have again deleted my input with the same obtuse edit summary (which does acknowledge your earlier deletion). You can explain why you are deleting at Talk:Red Rose (TV series)#Unhelpful deletion, per WP:BRD.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

  I did not see the discussion on the talk page initially - I do not follow the page, so I did not get an alert when the discussion was opened. I explained my actions there. Nisf (talk) 23:39, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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While I think I understand where you are going, the criteria for both lists is apparently flawed and capricious, insofar original series billed as platforms originals released in said platform in its primary market would not feature in the list. Do as you wish, anyways, I am afraid that both lists are going to remain whimsical either way unless a major re-structuring is undertaken. Suffice to say that I am not interested in contributing to capricious lists.--Asqueladd (talk) 16:01, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello Asqueladd, to clear up any confusion: it's not the release area that determines whether a show is on List of Disney+ original programming, and sorry if my comment implied that it was. Although the advertising is showing La última premiering on Disney+ in Europe, it is actually premiering on the Star content hub within the Disney+ service in regions where Hulu and Star+ are not available. These are separate from Disney+ Originals. Hope this helps. Nisf (talk) 14:06, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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I noticed that you reverted a number of my edits, like the one on List of Amazon Prime Video original programming. I might be wrong, but is that article referring to a tv-channels/bunch of tv-channels or is it a production company? To my opinion, it is the first, so WP:NOTTVGUIDE, a policy, applies. The Banner talk 16:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@The Banner: 1) It's both - hence the name Original programming. 2) The second portion of that policy says "...although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." As it seems like there is disagreement over the interpretation of this policy (the section seems to be primarily discouraging programming schedules in the style of TV Guide), I suggest discussion and consensus in an appropriate outlet, such as the talk pages of the articles in question or at WP:TELEVISION. Thank you! Nisf (talk) 16:42, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

And it starts with "An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events (...)". A section about upcoming programs is clearly about "upcoming events" and thus not allowed. The part you mentioned is, to my opinion, not talking about future programming. The Banner talk 16:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@The Banner I disagree - again, the policy is to prevent the publishing of time/date programming guides, and doesn't define what an "event" is (Does it need to have the date and time? Is it all upcoming shows, or only those not produced by the company? Why a section about upcoming TV series treated differently than one about upcoming films? These are all questions that can be addressed via discussion with WP:TELEVISION) Again, I suggest reaching WP:CONSENSUS as there are many who interpret the rule similarly, as Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. Nisf (talk) 17:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

There is also an issue called spam and advertising... The Banner talk 17:17, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@The Banner: All entries are sourced by WP:RELIABLE third-party journalistic websites - I can only speak for myself, but I have no personal connection to the television business, I am simply a hobbyist editor. Regardless, my personal talk page is no longer the best place to discuss the removal of this section any further – I have simply stated that such an action should be discussed via WP:CONSENSUS, as agreement on the interpretation of the section is not unanimous. I have provided several venues to do so - you may want to engage in further discussion there. Nisf (talk) 17:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

I have opened a discussion on the talk page of WP:NOT, proposing a text change: Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Proposal for a text change relating to WP:NOTTVGUIDE. The Banner talk 18:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

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Disney+ Originals edit for January 19

Hi, I would like to address a recent edit you made on the Disney+ Original series wikipedia page.

Despite La Ultima being available on Hulu, internationally it is branded as a STAR Original within Disney+. STAR is a hub within Disney+ home to many STAR Originals. Typically, when STAR originals premiere on Disney+ in the US, they are billed as Disney+ originals, but when they aren't they are still technically considered originals since they ORIGINALLY premiered on the Disney+ streaming service globally, not Hulu. I would really appreciate it if you could find a new home for this title on the Disney+ Original series wikipedia page.

Thank you. Mattsyman (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

It's already on List of Hulu original programming as a Hulu Original, on List of Star+ original programming, and on List of Star (Disney+) original programming. It does belong on List of Disney+ original programming because it is neither branded as a Disney+ Original nor is it exclusively on the Disney+ hub in any region. Nisf (talk) 20:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Anime Hulu programming

Don't ubl format the networks for the anime section, its unnecessary and beefs up the table length for no good reason and I can't seem to find why on earth you're so insistent on reverting that. GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 02:35, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

ABC pics

There was a method to my madness regarding the pics

You have to have a little bit of everything represented on ABC's plate...news, sports, daytime, primetime, sitcoms, drama, reality.

Muir is the evening news anchor...he's gotta be there, given the longevity and popularity of The View, that needed representation, Herbstreit represent sports, as Saturday Night Football - which Herbstreit has been on since day 1 - has been a mainstay on ABC for nearly 20 years.

The way it was before was just random...pics for the sake of pics of who people like the best. My version wanted to strike a balance, and I hold that same philosophy for NBC, CBS, and Fox, which is why I set those pics up the same way over on those pages.

Perhaps I could have explained it better before, but that is the logic for what I did. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:12, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi! By talk page I meant the talk page for List of programs broadcast by ABC (American TV network) – I reverted your changes because you undid a bunch of formatting changes related to the references section that had nothing to do with the pictures. I have zero opinions related to the photos on the page – it was another user who reverted your selection of photos. If you want to add the photos back you should do it manually (so as not to undo the other formatting changes), or discuss with the other editors on the page's talk page. Nisf (talk) 15:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. I redid the pics in a way that didn't affect the other stuff...that was unintentional tunnel vision on my part, and I apologize for that. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

No worries! Nisf (talk) 15:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

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Ok I see what you mean now in regards to the WP, it wasn't WP abuse, I'm sorry about that rvt. GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 02:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

On the other hand, what I typed wasn't necessarily a violation of that WP since the citation is there proving it is returning to Adult Swim for a 3rd season. I'm simply implying I understood why you thought it could be used that way, I just think it wasn't necessary for the context. That is all.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 02:25, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, to clarify, there is a difference between "will premiere" and "is scheduled to premiere". Per WP:CRYSTALBALL: "Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place, as even otherwise-notable events can be cancelled or postponed at the last minute by a major incident." We do the same thing on all the other programming pages – everything in the future is "scheduled" until it actually premieres, as there are several instances where a TV program does not premiere as announced/scheduled. Nisf (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, English WP is getting way too technical with its terminology here. Regardless of anything else, once Toonami has announced a line up I've never seen them change it in the entirety of its Adult Swim era. You didn't have to clarify btw, that was the entire point of this message. No hard feelings!--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 01:43, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

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Sullivan's Crossing

The CW has agreed to air the second season. While this may have helped the show's chances for renewal, The CW is not listed as a producer: "It is produced by Reel World Management in association with CTV with Fremantle as global distributor."

Broadcasting is not equivalent to production. Unless you find a source explicitly saying CW is producing it too, please do not add it back as a "co-production". That's an unsourced edit. Linkin Prankster (talk) 18:22, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Please see my note on my most recent edit. Per the same article, "As partners for season two, we cannot wait to work alongside this talented cast and excellent creative team to deliver another emotionally captivating season." Additionally, by your logic, NONE of the shows on the page should be listed as The CW Originals, as The CW is not listed as a producer for any of its shows. Nisf (talk) 18:25, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, take it to the network's talk page, not my personal page. Nisf (talk) 18:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Forget it, I was wrong. Btw CW is listed as a producer for Joan and Son of a Critch in sources. Linkin Prankster (talk) 18:29, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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Streaming television series in India

This term is rarely used in India, where people prefer to use the terms "web series" and "OTT" instead of "streaming". That is why I put streaming television series in most of these articles as viewers frequently change them to "web series". They believe "television series" is erroneous, and refers only to broadcast television. DareshMohan, do you agree? Kailash29792 (talk) 12:10, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree but imo nobody in India says streaming television in a day-to-day conversation. DareshMohan (talk) 16:08, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

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The sheer fact these articles are in mainspace corroborates their filming, what are you doing? Rusted AutoParts 18:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

You cannot use Wikipedia as a source for filming, per WP:NOTSOURCE. Anyone can make an article in the mainspace for a television show regardless of its status. Nisf (talk) 18:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

They are literally on their pages, one simple look proves this.

The Savant

Your Friends and Neighbors

I do not move pages for shows or films into mainspace unless they are reliably sourced to be filming. These reverts you're making are so frustratingly pointless. Please restore my edits. Rusted AutoParts 18:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

It's equally confusing given we've been collaborating on this page since September 2021 and at no point since then did you take any exception with the way I shifted around the programming when their production status changed. This is just baffling and a needless conflict. Rusted AutoParts 18:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I understand (it's not that I don't trust you), but sourced information SHOULD be the standard - I've requested the same on other streaming pages when other less experienced users have changed the status of upcoming shows based on guesswork. Nisf (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: List of Star+ original programming

You may be unaware that, pursuant to a lengthy RfC on the subject, titling policy has changed to require that season articles not use parentheses around seasons of television shows. Pursuant to this, the community has renamed all of the thousands of articles responsive to this new requirement. Therefore, The Walking Dead season 11 and The Orville season 3 are now the correct titles of these articles. Please restore these direct links that you have reverted on List of Star+ original programming. BD2412 T 15:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @BD2412, apologies, I did not realize you had changed the article links, as you had also changed the season name on other pages when it was in ubl format when it was not a wikilink. Changing the links back now.Nisf (talk) 16:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Nist, thanks - cheers! BD2412 T 14:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Tokyo Revengers Season 3 hiccups

Despite the earlier mentioned was corrected as Season 3, Disney+ & Hulu has glued Season 3 into the second season listings. VernardoLau (talk) 19:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)