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Filament Twill Technology

Dear Nawlin, I'm asking that you reconsider the Filament Twill Technology article I was working on today. I understand that the article was deleted as you believed it was too promotional. I don't work for any of the companies listed in the article, simply trying to help propagate new information. That being said, I was "working with" the wording companies had available throughout literature pieces. I've been rewriting the copy and adding additional references to substantiate what was said, so that claims deemed ungrounded had some meaning and support. Would you be able to reinstate the page so I can continue editing the project? Tagraleigh (talk) 21:40, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

• The problem is that you haven't cited third-party, reliable, *independent* sources to show that this technology is notable, see WP:V. It's not enough to cite the company's own materials in support of its claims that its technology is important or useful. NawlinWiki (talk) 16:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Jdub

Why does the artist page for jdub keep redirecting to JDub records? These are two separate entities and and should be listed as such.

Gitaruman (talk) 19:14, 1 October 2014 (UTC)Gitaruman

• Because the page on Jdub (the artist) doesn't indicate that he meets our notability guidelines for musicians, see WP:MUSIC, and doesn't cite any reliable independent sources, see WP:V. NawlinWiki (talk) 20:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Phuntaroo

That page you deleted today is back again for the 3rd time. Might be worth a salt. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

• Salt has been shaken. NawlinWiki (talk) 20:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Edward Snowden Affair: Exposing the Politics and Media Behind the NSA Scandal

Do we need a new AfD or can you re-open the AfD, since the orignal page creator has apparently now changed user names and reposted the article? —Gaff ^ταλκ 21:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Please CSD the new creation and restore the original page for the sake of attribution.—John Cline (talk) 22:14, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Out of process deletion

Hello NawlinWiki. I'd like you to consider an article you appear to have deleted out of process. The Edward Snowden Affair: Exposing the Politics and Media Behind the NSA Scandal was currently being discussed at articles for deletion. At both the guide to deletion and the AFD notice atop the page being discussed the clear instruction is given that "the article must not be blanked" yet you deleted the page using CSD-g7 as a valid criteria, stating that the page had been blanked by the page creator. The discussion hadn't been open a full day and the emerging consensus was clearly in favor of merge/redirect to Michael Gurnow, an article you also deleted CSD-g7. While the editing history may have been dominated by the page creator on both of these pages, I would argue that Maldoror2 was not the only substantial contributor to those pages. My own contributions consumed some hours of my own time and much of that is not reflected in the specific history of each page. For example I help delete the erroneous creation of the edward snowden affair and properly create The Edward Snowden Affair as a redirect. I also ensured the image of the books cover was deleted from Commons where it was uploaded erroneously and uploaded the fair use image on Wikipedia as File:The Edward Snowden Affair book cover.jpg; now orphaned. None of this work is discernible from the page's history which also shows a half dozen or so editors besides the creator collaborating on these pages. The deletions are further mitigated by the clear and unambiguous fact that the page creator was acting under emotional duress. For these reasons, I am asking you to reconsider your actions in hope that you will restore these pages and allow the discussion to reach its valid conclusion. Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 22:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I retract my original assertion that the deletion was done out of process. After discussing this on irc with several editors tn good faith, I've come to believe my interpretation of the instructions was confused. I will not be seeking a deletion review on this matter. I am considering an RFC to clarify the instructions, and perhaps stipulate CSD-g7 as an invalid criteria once a discussion has started at AFD. Without such a stipulation, as is currently the case, nothing here was done out of process. I apologize for asserting as much. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 23:43, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I did open a discussion at the village pump and welcome your participation there if you are so inclined. Best regards.—John Cline (talk) 04:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of Gjirafa.com

Dear Nawlin,

Gjirafa.com has been deleted due to violation of A7 article. However, after it was marked for Speedy Deletion, I added my comments that explained its Credibility and Significance. I did read the article A7 carefully, and according to those instructions Gjirafa.com fulfilled those two criteria (as explained on my previous talk on speedy-deletion). Would you please advise what am I missing?

Thank you!

Optimus212 (talk) 23:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• What we mean by notability is not that you've persuaded us of your belief that the subject is important. We have objective guidelines for notability of websites, see WP:WEB. Also, we require that the subject have been reported on by reliable independent sources, see WP:V. NawlinWiki (talk) 01:01, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

— Hi Nawlin,

May we recover this page under this reference: https://customers.microsoft.com/Pages/CustomerStory.aspx?recid=18633

Thank you, Optimus212 (talk) 10:37, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

David Beals sock?

User:Jaymasterjunkie has uploaded a ceiling fan pic at Commons: File:Edit sign with lights.jpg. Sock? INeverCry 02:13, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

From CU scan alone, it is very, very likely that Jaymasterjunkie and Clubbyfup are him. Materialscientist (talk) 03:37, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm blocking the acct on Commons. See [1], [2], etc. The ceiling fan upload above is a dead giveaway. I'm satisfied that this is him, especially as he's blocked here already. INeverCry 03:41, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this incarnation. INeverCry, is there some way to watch for ceiling fan photo uploads on Commons? NawlinWiki (talk) 03:55, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I've replied via email. INeverCry 04:45, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

The Black Doves BD

(can you please help me to create this article.Please)Age0948 (talk) 04:31, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

• As other editors have already explained to you, you would need to cite reliable, independent sources (see WP:V) to show that this band meets our notability standards, WP:MUSIC. If you can't do that, then please stop trying to repost the article. NawlinWiki (talk) 04:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Ethan Nichtern deletion

It seems to me that this deletion was out of process. As the A7 guidelines state, "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines." This is a public figure with books out by two different major publishers, who has been interviewed as an authority in his area by NPR and CNN. All of this was in the article and properly sourced. At the very least it is deserving of a vote.Sylvain1972 (talk) 16:38, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

• The article wasn't deleted as a7 for nonnotability. It was deleted under category g11, as advertising/self-promotion. The article appears to be written by the subject himself (User:Ethannichtern108), and talks about him being the author of "the acclaimed book" and an "empowered" teacher, as well as referring to himself by first name. It is further copied directly from his author bio here. I have no objection to you, or someone else, posting a neutral article on Mr. Nichtern, who does appear notable. NawlinWiki (talk) 16:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

I see, I read that too fast, thanks.Sylvain1972 (talk) 16:57, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Magical feminism

Sorry, I deprodded this, because its deletion might be controversial. Bearian (talk) 19:24, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Ni2 construction

Hi, Its back again within moments of being deleted, appears identical in content. Amortias (T)(C) 20:51, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Kimpton Hotels & Restaurants

I see you deleted Sir Francis Drake Hotel in San Francisco, but it appears that this entire article is promtional, I have removed what appears to be promotional from the page, the restaurant names at each hotel, the type of cusine they offered and when the properties have been renovated. I would also like to nominate the hotel pages for deletion as they have their own articles, Hotel George (Washington, D.C.), Hotel Rouge, Topaz Hotel, Donovan House which are buidlings of no significance. I feel Surfcomber Hotel is okay to leave as this hotel has historical significance but have removed the parking and restaurant info. --Zj007ny (talk) 15:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Ruchir Sharma

Perhaps you can also take a look at this article I created as I thought I did a pretty good job with it, and agree it needs work but do not think it is grounds for deletion. Appreciate any guidance. --Zj007ny (talk) 15:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

B.Q.R.

Nawlin, you blocked B.Q.R. from creation, but might I suggest making it a redirect to Buffalo-Lancaster Regional Airport? This is where BQR targets. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 16:42, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

• Done, thanks. NawlinWiki (talk) 19:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar is hereby awarded for high quality contributions to protect the project against vandals. PhilKnight (talk) 21:52, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

• Aw, thanks! NawlinWiki (talk) 21:53, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Tristakearneiy

Thanks for catching that. I think I had too many tabs open and missed a couple of steps in that one. (Sure are a lot of those supplement ads these days.) Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:49, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for going after these as well! If you see any of these sites that are posted repeatedly, add them to MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:26, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I will indeed. Cheers. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Gimme a day

Hello,

Regarding Boffo:

I just need this up for one day to prove a point. I understand I'm undermining the integrity of the internet and Wikipedia. It's totally worth it. You must trust.

...you're not going to put it back up...damn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.177.90.26 (talk) 18:30, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

• No, I'm not. Would you be surprised to learn that you're not the first, or the thousandth, person who has tried to put something fake on Wikipedia to "prove" that Wikipedia isn't reliable? Please read WP:POINT. NawlinWiki (talk) 18:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

question bout deleting "sibche"

hi my friend

i recently created sibche which is a similar software to cydia. it isn't exact compy of cydia offcourse but the idea and basis are the same. so why sibche is deleted why cydia isn't? and besides I am only a user of sibche, and they do not acquire money for what they do. so i decided to create this article only for information. you'd better know that any kind of third party app markets like cydia or sibche or tongbu is not accepted by apple inc.Poorya0014 (talk) 11:15, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

• The article on Cydia cites multiple independent sources (see WP:RS) to show that the product is notable (WP:N). Also, you shouldn't be writing the article about your own product, see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. NawlinWiki (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

The salting of Evil Beaver "scottsdesk"

hi!

I am trying to create a article for a Band Evil Beaver and noticed the the name space Evil Beaver is locked from creating a page. I am asking if you will unlock it so I can use it for my article I am working on. I am trying to create my first article and really trying to learn the ropes. Once I get this one in form to acceptance I would like to do more writing. I also actually am using this as a way to work on my writing skills. I am serious about this and have taken Evil Beavers page on as I noticed it had been denied several times and I like a challenge. So I have poured hours of research time into locating sources and information to try my hand at creation of a legit article on the band. I know the article is not perfect and am working on it as I get time to focus on it. Will you please release it and link this article to it as the submitted draft? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Beaver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Evil_Beaver_(2) I appreciate your time

scottsdesk Scottsdesk (talk) 01:05, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

• Not yet - it still appears to me that Evil Beaver is not notable per our guidelines for bands, see WP:MUSIC. Your draft appears to be arguing that the band is notable because it just consists of a bassist and drummer. We don't rely on whether someone has a "good argument", though - we rely on whether a band has been covered by reliable independent sources, see WP:V, to the point that they meet WP:MUSIC. NawlinWiki (talk) 01:11, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Beer is good and good for you Lol man04 (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Deleting Page Question

Hello- I tried to put up a page today for the VH Theatrical Development Foundation and it was speedily deleted. I was careful to edit the text so it did NOT copy from the FOundation information webpage, and cited all the sources I was using. I understand that Wikipedia does not allow advertising, but the Foundation is first of all Non-profit, and secondly, is currently trying to elevate Theatre for everyone, along with supporting lesser known writers. I'm not sure how this could be considered advertising, since they're not selling anything, and what they are doing is culturally relevant. I'd honestly appreciate anything that could help get this page either brought back, or allow me to recreate it so the information can be shared.

• Promoting an organization, even a nonprofit, is considered advertising on Wikipedia and isn't allowed. We have articles only on subjects that have already been covered by reliable independent sources, see WP:V, to establish that they are already notable per WP:ORG. NawlinWiki (talk) 14:59, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

PhilJets Deleting Page Question

May I know why you qualified Philjets article for speedy deletion? I carefully learned wikipedia rules for building a proper article about this company to thank them for their work in the last year, and did so with neutral tone and explanatory details (without the part about "advertising" their services during typhoons, as explained below). All sources are from reputable external entities in the Philippines, and additional care has been made to make it look and feel like a regular company article. Finally, Philjets being one of the most reputable and notable companies for helicopter & private plane services in the Philippines, a country rather forgotten in wikipedia, not to mention that PhilJets company is also considered as an airline here, I really don't understand why it doesn't qualify for the "notability" guideline... Should I mention that this company substantially helped saving lives after the typhoon Hayan last year by providing air support to several foreign embassies and NGOs here? Maybe this would qualify as as a criteria for being "significant" or "important" under the A7 criteria for speedy deletion ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bchevreau (talk • contribs) 04:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

• "Important" doesn't mean that they do good work or are worthy of praise. It means that they have been reported on by reliable independent sources, see WP:V, to show their notability per WP:CORP. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:00, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

User:85.204.48.169|85.204.48.169

Can we revoke talk page for this one as well. Advised him not to put inappropriate content in edit summary unblock, a typo apparently proves im a Nazi. Amortias (T)(C) 17:44, 21 October 2014 (UTC) I've also removed the unblock request as it was a blatent WP:NPA Amortias (T)(C) 17:46, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Posthumanist art

You deleted Posthumanist art per WP:CSD#G11 (made up by the creator). I don't think that was an appropriate deletion. A simple search of the term in Google shows many hits: this is an emerging field of artistic endeavor, and I believe the article (in the form in which I had cleaned it up) was a valid stub to germinate development of information about the genre. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:53, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Fair enough. I was going on the creator's initial edit summary ("based on my investigation as an MFA student") and didn't focus enough on your revisions. I've restored the article. Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 21:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I'm no art expert, and the article may fail at AFD if brought there, but I thought the article deserved a fighting chance. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Another McAusten on the way

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/McAus10

and another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/McAus9

• Got them and their little friends, thanks. NawlinWiki (talk) 03:28, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Looks like more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Username_or_IP_removed

Deletion of ProudNet

I put up a page today for ProudNet and it was deleted due to A7. No indication of importance. I was about to edit the page with information like Developer(s), Stable release, Written in, Operating system, Available in, Type, License and Website. May I update the page with the above information? Main sentence is ProudNet is a game server and network engine for PC online game development and mobile game development. Could you please review this and let me know. Thank you.Hyej (talk) 02:13, 23 October 2014 (UTC)Hyej

• You need to find reliable independent sources (see WP:V) that discuss this product and show that it is notable, see WP:N. NawlinWiki (talk) 03:22, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Page for MobiKwik Deleted

Hi Nawlin, I had created the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MobiKwik and had got it reviewed by user Howicus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Howicus) who helped me with the page creation. He/she told me the page was good enough and after that I see the page deleted.

Can you please help me to put up the page? It is the only service in India that follows online prepaid wallet.

Regards Editor0071 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor0071 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, I've restored the article. NawlinWiki (talk) 03:25, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

deleted page Ivelt Yiddish Forum

Hi did you read the talk page Ivelt Yiddish Forum before deleting it? Vinkel (talk) 03:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

• Yes. The article was promotional. NawlinWiki (talk) 04:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Did you consider changing the content before deleting the whole page, such as all other wiki pages for news publishers? Vinkel (talk) 17:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Feel free to redraft the article in neutral language. It is not correct that all of our other pages for news publishers are promotional, but even if you could find one that was, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. NawlinWiki (talk) 18:45, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Deletion and redirecting of page for Inter-Continental Oils and Fats (ICOF)

Hi Nawlin,

Noticed that you've deleted the page and redirected it to [Musim Mas]. Just wanted to let you know that although ICOF is the subsidiary, the service provided by the 2 organization is different. I hope you can undo your changes. Many Thanks!

Forestbathing (talk) 03:48, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

butN page deleted

I am new to using Wikipedia and came across a business network named butN. I am in process of gathering all the info for this page. As I am new to using Wiki I did not know that saving page would mean that it will go online instantly. I had written just 1 sentence and it got deleted. Anyway I am in possession of some more info and reliable sources so will be writing everything up now. Once it is complete I will then save the page so that it can be reviewed by Wiki Admin. Please let me know if this will be okay. Adsyvb (talk) 03:59, 30 October 2014 (UTC)adsyvb

• Adsyvb, what you can do is create it in your user space--click on User:Adsyvb/sandbox and create it there. Then, when you think you got something (and reliable sources are the key), you can Move it (from your little drop-down menu on the top of your screen) into main space. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 04:04, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi I created page in the sandbox and I am not able to move it to main page. Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Adsyvb/sandbox Please guide how to move it to main and how to change the title of page to 'butN'. Also, I have 3 images which I want to put on this page. How can I do that ?

• Sorry, but the draft page reads like an advertisement for this company. Wikipedia articles need to be written in neutral language, see WP:NPOV and WP:SPAM. Please try to rewrite it from a third party, neutral perspective and not as something similar to the company's "about us" page. NawlinWiki (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Please, explain me why my page was deleted

Hello,

My page "Institute of International Relations (IIR)" has been deleted by yourself. Please, explain me why my page was deleted, since this Institute really exists, that I'm one of the Co-Founders, that it's purpose is humanitarian (help in preventing and resolving conflicts in the world and thus save lives).

The name of the Institute is in process of being officially registered by the Swiss government.

If after this plea you still remain on your position (according to the policies of Wikipedia), please let me know what I must change in order to hava a page accepted about our Institute.

Many thanks.

Sincerely,

Michel Muller

--Mcymuller (talk) 21:39, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

• You would need to show that this organization has been shown to be notable (see WP:ORG) by citation to reliable independent sources that have reported on it, see WP:V. Also, we discourage people from writing about themselves and their own organizations, see WP:COI. NawlinWiki (talk) 14:40, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Peek at an old deleted page

Hi Nawlin. I'm about to start drafting a page about Far Lands or Bust and I noticed in the logs that you deleted a page at that title back in 2011. I was just wondering if you would be willing to take a look at the deleted page and, if there's any useful content there, perhaps provide a copy of it in my userspace? I realise that the A7 rationale was more than likely appropriate at that time, but there have been a number of articles about the subject this year which might overcome that (e.g. [3]). I'd just like to use the previous article as a starting point, if there is anything in it worth using. Thanks for your time. Organics ^talk 12:39, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

• Now in your userspace at User:Organics/Far Lands or Bust. NawlinWiki (talk) 14:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Organics ^talk 16:20, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

I apolgize, i was messing with my friend — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vladimir2341 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 31 October 2014 (UTC)