User talk:MelanieN/Archive 34

What you missed

This, timing unfortunate. It's unlikely your support would have changed the outcome, on the other hand it's impossible to be completely independent from prior !voting. I am no longer active at that article and consider myself in an ill-defined semi-retirement/indefinite wikibreak for the foreseeable future. I hope your vacation was enjoyable. ―Mandruss ☎ 20:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for trying. I would have voted for the moratorium, but since it has been proposed so recently I can see it's a dead issue for now. Don't go into retirement. There is lots of good stuff to do here, that has nothing to do with politics. --MelanieN (talk) 21:25, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I have added a new Option C to the most recent survey at the Trump talk page. I think everyone will find it appealing, so please comment about it and we can be done with this. Thanks. Hello Mandruss! Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:57, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Reel Injun In Educational Institutions

Hi,

Just noticed it duplicates Reel Injun. Adam9007 (talk) 20:48, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I noticed that too, but you got there ahead of me. That was the right tag. I already thanked you for it! --MelanieN (talk) 20:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Re: Earth forest

Thanks for improving Earth forest. When I had searched for the term all I got were flat-earth conspiracy pages, which, combined with the text, led me to tag it with speedy deletion. Apparently my Google skills failed me today! --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 22:59, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Wow, some people have all the fun at Google! 0;-D All I found was Chinese tourism websites. Flat earth stuff sounds a lot more interesting. Granted, the article was pretty poor - basically Original Research by someone who didn't know how to write an article. But I think it's now a keeper. --MelanieN (talk) 23:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Environmental policy of the Donald Trump administration

Thanks for the ping. I like your lede rewrite. I actually think *most* of the article has been cleaned up. There are still some issues in the appointments and domestic policies section, but I'll try to clean some of that up now or later today. Hope your vacation was relaxing! TonyBallioni (talk) 16:52, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Yikes, look at all that revdel'ed stuff! I assume the problem was copyvio. Thanks for taking care of that, and for a lot of great work on the article. --MelanieN (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

About six sentences, oddly not in the sections that I thought were copyvios. I've done the cleanup that I can for today. I'm still not a huge fan of the appointments or America first sections, but I'm not quite sure how to tackle it. If you or someone else wants to tackle it, I think the article would be in okay shape. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:46, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not done with the lede - I want a little more about his appointments there - and I'll take a look at those other sections after that. --MelanieN (talk) 20:53, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Since you've helped with this article, you might want to add your thoughts on the class as a whole at the ANI thread WP:ANI#Re:_POV_Forks. Just thought I would alert you if you weren't aware. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:55, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Freehold Fencing Academy

The page is deleted by you and I wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement. Would you please help me about this. Barzi (talk) 14:55, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, Barzi, I have restored the page and put it into your private userspace. You can find it at User:Barzi/Freehold Fencing Academy. That will give you access to the information. However, it is nowhere near ready for the encyclopedia. Please read WP:NORG to see what is required for an article to be included here. Right now this has almost no independent references- just references to the Academy itself - and in a quick search I could not find any outside references for it. Without significant coverage from independent reliable sources it can't be here. You can keep it for your own reference, but don't try to add it to the encyclopedia unless you first ask me or some other admin, to see if it qualifies. --MelanieN (talk) 21:30, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Foreign policy of the Donald Trump administration

On 19 April 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Foreign policy of the Donald Trump administration, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Donald Trump says he hopes to achieve a foreign policy whereby "old enemies become friends"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Foreign policy of the Donald Trump administration. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Foreign policy of the Donald Trump administration), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:02, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Jennepicfoundation

Since you opened the last discussion there about Jenn and have been so involved, I thought I'd bring this to your attention: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Jennepicfoundation:_move_from_topic_ban_to_full_ban. Toddst1 (talk) 00:22, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

And there you go :)

User talk:SearchBeastEdmonton. — O Fortuna ^{semper crescis, aut decrescis} 05:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Good example. But I notice the talk page wasn't deleted, just the user page. --MelanieN (talk) 14:35, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Forgot about this. [1]. — O Fortuna ^{semper crescis, aut decrescis} 14:21, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

OIC - so she deleted it, then recreated it with the notice. Well, as you have pointed out and I have agreed, many admins do find this to be a valid situation for deleting user talk pages. --MelanieN (talk) 14:25, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Congrats!

I never thought I would return this gesture. Wear the shirt with pride! For the next day or so at least... --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

LOLOL! Imagine that coming back to haunt me! Thank you, I'm very impressed that you remembered. (Personally I was in too much of a fog to remember who said what when I got my mop.) But wait: If I get desysopped again tomorrow, do I have to give it back??? --MelanieN (talk) 00:51, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

@NeilN: Hah! This] will teach you to make things visible again! --MelanieN (talk) 00:53, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Who's going to ask for a crappy T-shirt back? Not me. Besides, I think they were ordered with the assumption that the 2007 level of successful RFAs would continue so there's crates and crates of them in the admin clubhouse. Just push past the pallets of bottled tap water and shelves of Kraft Dinner and no-frills ramen packets. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:16, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I see the admin lounge is just as crappy as the t-shirt. Pull up a folding chair and I'll get you a styrofoam cup of instant coffee. So why do you think the adminstats bot is alternating - working one day and not the next? I mean, Cyberbot isn't crappy! --MelanieN (talk) 14:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

You can put your two cents in here and maybe make a sacrifice to the bot-op. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not techie enough to make a coherent comment at the discussion. I can just have fun with it until it gets fixed. As for sacrificing to the bot-op, I nommed at the bot-op's RfA, you'd think that would give me a little juice! Or is it like the old saying, "What Have You Done for Me Lately?" --MelanieN (talk) 14:43, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Women's Knockout Cup

Hi, how do I get the history and the past winners back on this page. It is always going to be a copy of past winners to another page having the same information? NZ Footballs Conscience (talk) 01:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Bottom line, you can't. We do not allow copying of material from other sites. You could write a history in your own words, based on (but not copying or close-paraphrasing) the history page at the other site. You will not be allowed to copy the table. You could possibly present the past winners information in prose. Sorry, but Wikipedia is very strict about copyright. --MelanieN (talk) 01:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly, I will re-write the history. For the table, will it be ok if I put it back in just with the teams who where the winners v runner ups and scores as that will be the same but won't be directly copying the website including the MVP, MVP club and ground it was played at? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NZ Footballs Conscience (talk • contribs) 01:32, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I think if you are basically creating your OWN table (not copying the other table, just using and citing information from it) that would probably be OK. But it's possible some other administrator might have a problem with it so I can't guarantee it. --MelanieN (talk) 01:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help, I appreciate you taking the time to explain NZ Footballs Conscience (talk) 01:38, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Anonymous Student 1 in the EJ class

I posted anonymously to the arbitration talk page, well, for obvious reasons. I understand this means you can't trust completely that I'm an actual student in Prof Gelobter's class, but if you can track the IP address I'm definitely here on campus! Anyway I just wanted to say thank you for your comments about understanding the predicament we were in. I don't mean to throw him under the bus, but I just feel like I should speak honestly about my own discomfort with the assignment. I probably should have spoken to him directly about it? Not sure if that would have made a difference if he put up such resistance to repeated warnings from the pros here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.87.236 (talk) 03:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) 128, as an FYI, nothing in our policy prevents you from registering under a pseudonym and having a clean start, if you want to edit Wikipedia as a regular contributor away from the areas the class involved. It would probably be wise to notify the arbitration committee about your old account and your new account should you register, but many of the editors involved in this situation have high respect for the students (including myself). MelanieN is an admin and a longstanding user who could provide more insight on this, but we are typically very welcoming of newcomers who want to learn and contribute freely under policies. Wikipedia is a great place with an amazing mission, and it would be a benefit to the Encyclopedia to have bright young people contributing (so long as you make sure to follow all the policies that the class got in trouble for not following...) Anyway, my 2¢. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:44, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

(Oops, I got edit-conflicted by TonyBallioni - who had the same advice I did!)

Thanks for your comment, and thanks for coming here to talk. I had no doubt that you were what you said you were, and that your reporting was accurate. I added my "P.S." only because of prompting from another editor. But I appreciated your input and I admire your integrity. I think you were wise not to speak to the professor about your discomfort. From what I have seen of him here, he would have reacted very negatively. The result of the discussion was that no action was taken against him (and none was ever contemplated against the students), but there will be an extensive discussion, over the summer, with and about him and this experience. I notice that several people who are both Wikipedians and academics are planning to take part in that discussion so that should be helpful. Whether he will ever be able to adjust his own attitudes to the point where he and his students can contribute constructively to Wikipedia - I have to admit I doubt it.

Meanwhile, let's talk about you! You have been exposed to Wikipedia and I think it may have been eye-opening to you. I would encourage you to register a username and start to contribute here, in whatever areas you find interesting. Don't jump right in to article creation, just make little edits and corrections to existing articles until you find your way around. Don't use your username from the class project, and don't identify yourself as being the same person as this IP. And I don't think it's probably necessary to identify your new and old accounts to ArbCom; it was understood that the student accounts were temporary. I would advise you to just show up as a newbie and start out! If you want help or encouragement I would be glad to oblige. Yes, even though I went to Stanford! ;-P --MelanieN (talk) 03:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC)