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Chris Noth
editYou appear to be a single-purpose account who has only been editing Wikipedia since January. Your edit here restores fannish, WP:INDISCRIMINATE romantic WP:TRIVIA and a magazine-essay-like, non-encyclopedia WP:TONE — and also restored a host of MOS errors, cite format errors, grammatical errors and more, and removed WP:RS cites for a personal-life claim, thus violating WP:BLP. Not everything that is RS cited is appropriate for an encyclopedia; Wikipedia is not a fan site. I have asked other editors to comment on the article's talk page, but your violations appear to be so egregious it might be appropriate to seek admin intervention. I urge you to not WP:OWN the article and to restore the personal-life section to an encyclopedic form.--65.78.8.103 (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- As mentioned on the article's talk page, these are false claims by an IP address editor. You can see I have edited other articles. WP:RS were used throughout to document and not removed. No WP:BLP. MOS was consulted. MOS:SAMESURNAME for use of Tara. Many sources document comparisons about the actor to his Mr. Big character. Khawue (talk) 17:47, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- I have added two appropriate tags to Chris Noth. As per WP:DETAG, only an uninvolved third editor may remove them. An SPA needn't edit literally just one article ever; and your contributions show the vast, vast bulk of your edits to be devoted to Chris Both.
- You removed the two WP:RS citations for the birth of the couple's son, Orion. That's a WP:BLP violation.
- Tara Wilson, as she is only ever referred to in mainstream published newspapers and magazines, does not have the last name Noth in general use. Therefore, conversationally calling her "Tara" is an MOS violation.
- And as I stated, not everything from an RS source is appropriate for an encyclopedia. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Essaying about the subject's love life is completely non-encyclopedic. --65.78.8.103 (talk) 18:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- The Oprah ref is WP:RS documenting the birth of Orion in January 2008. That is a false claim about WP:BLP violation.
- False claim about MOS violation, as mentioned MOS:SAMESURNAME, she is referred to as Tara L. Wilson Noth as broadwayworld.com ref and all other refs about her play.
- https://www.broadwayworld.com/los-angeles/article/BROKEN-CODE-BIRD-SWITCHING-Will-Have-Limited-Workshop-Engagement-Through-November-20191112
- http://www.playbill.com/article/godspell-uncle-vanya-and-3-world-premieres-set-for-berkshire-theatre-groups-2020-summer-season
- https://www.berkshiretheatregroup.org/event/b-r-o-k-e-n-code-b-i-r-d-switching/
- https://www.aada.edu/article/alumna-tara-wilson-noth-premieres-new-play-in-los-angeles
- Relevant information about relationships was provided and briefly, with focus on the most notable relationships. Perspectives from the different parties involved included.
- Khawue (talk) 18:08, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
Consolidating this conversation at Talk:Chris Noth.--65.78.8.103 (talk) 19:35, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. 65.78.8.103 (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
- By the way, and this really is friendly notice, since you're new and might not be aware, but you're approaching WP:3RR; I believe if you revert some or all of your edits again, you'll violate that and an admin can temporarily block you from editing. I have to say, three editors have now reverted the contentious edits.--65.78.8.103 (talk) 19:57, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
- The last reversions were you're only. Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Noth&curid=1161307&diff=941971912&oldid=941963442 The reason for Orion's name was not a contentious edit nor was it a BLP and WP:PRIVACY issue. Another editor in the ANI does not think the exact birthdate should be posted. There subject cites the pregnancy complication as the reason for his involvement in a high profile fundraiser.
- See further discussion of your recent revisions re: Orion's birth date and name here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#OWN-y_editor_at_Chris_Noth-Khawue (talk) 20:21, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
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Edit warring at Chris Noth
editHello Khawue. Some concern about your edits has been expressed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#OWN-y editor at Chris Noth. There has even been a claim that you violated 3RR. I am unsure who is right in the various disputes, but you do seem to be at the center of the turbulence. Would you agree to take a voluntary break from editing the Chris Noth article or its talk page for a period of seven days? This might allow the disagreements to settle down and eliminate the need for any admin action. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- EdJohnston I replied to you on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#OWN-y_editor_at_Chris_Noth where you also posted but we can continue talking here. I would like to have someone to discuss with calmly and respectfully specifics, without aggression. You can see I can do that and my last 3 edits were not to revert anyone or reverting "much" of someone else's edits.-Khawue (talk) 05:41, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- You may be blocked for edit warring if you make any further edits at Chris Noth during the next seven days unless your changes have received a prior consensus on the article talk page. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 14:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
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- I see that you after receiving the above message you have still continued on your crusade to impose your preferred version at Chris Noth, despite the fact that you know full well that consensus is solidly against you. You have also ignored warnings from at least three administrators. Wikipedia works by collaboration, and by individual editors accepting consensus even when they personally disagree with it, not by each one of us persistently battling away to impose our own preferred version, no matter what anyone else thinks. Drop the matter now. If you don't, then you will be made subject to a partial or total block on editing, or both. If you wish to continue as a Wikipedia editor then find a less controversial kind of editing to do. JBW (talk) 21:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- JBW ??? No I have not tried "crusade" to "impose" or "battling away" at anything "a preferred version" of Chris Noth. Above I was told not to edit unless "your changes have received a prior consensus on the article talk page" which I said okay to. I have not done any editing. Yesterday I spoke to Melcous on their talk page but there was nothing aggressive at all, I asked about 4 specific things:
* Add the before attending college the following year as the next paragraph does not say he when he went to college.
- Mention he won the Theatre World Award for the role in 2000 later in the paragraph.
- Asking for the two roles where you deleted the descriptions if there can be a brief description of the character and of the role preparation, as you see in the featured article Julianne Moore which had these for her roles.
- In 2002, Peter described as "cynical, hard-drinking, popular novelist" or something shorter
- "In 2008, Noth portrayed Paul Zara, the veteran campaign manager for a Howard Dean-like presidential candidate. To prepare for the role, Noth spoke to Joe Trippi who managed the Howard Dean 2004 presidential campaign."
- I am not pushing to have excessive details, just asking what I see consistent with I have seen on featured articles e.g. Catherine Zeta-Jones, Amy Adams, etc. I've seen they usually some short description of the character e.g. occupation (unless it's a famous character in a widely known play e.g. Hamlet), any awards, and if there was something notable about the preparation for the role. I am not pushing, genuinely asking you to consider the four things above specifically and what wording you would have?-Khawue (talk) 22:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- This was a reasonable, civil and non-aggressive and with reference to Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Media_biographies. I had quotes from the article Julianne Moore that were too long. They said to discuss on the article talk page and I have not had any further discussion. I have no problems with discussing specific details for consensus one at a time, not for "my own preferred version". I am reviewing Featured Articles e.g. Kate_Winslet#Personal_life These kneejerk reactions are really unhelpful. cc:Doug Weller, EdJohnston -Khawue (talk) 23:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- JBW This was a continuation of a civil conversation User_talk:Melcous#Chris_Noth where we thanked each other. I will try reduce the length of my quotes. I did nothing aggressive. I am allowed to discuss civilly and I am familiar with the standards that I see here Wikipedia:Featured_articles#Media_biographies. Doug Weller, EdJohnston
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