Kazrene
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Latest comment: 10 months ago by Kazrene in topic Your submission at Articles for creation: Amy Scholder (June 20)
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- I understand that 19 and 20 (which led to Scholder's own page as this had the most information may not be appropriate and have provided alternate (though not as thorough) references. However, I don't understand why 1 and 2 are not appropriate. Please can you explain your thinking? Thank you. Kazrene (talk) 21:07, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
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- Hi “MurielMary”
- I’m at a loss to understand why you have rejected Amy Scholder’s page on the grounds that she does not meet the notability standard.
- I followed the guidelines on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people) carefully and included a range of independent sources as references. Please also note that I have been editing Wiki pages since 2009 so I am familiar with the requirements.
- I believe Scholder meets the basic Notability requirement (“presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.”) on this criterion alone. The basic Notability requirement is of course qualified by “If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability” and I believe that is the case here.
- Scholder falls under the secondary criteria for “Creatives” (Editor is specifically listed here). She certainly meets the first criterion (“regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors”) and this is demonstrated by the references:
- E.g. “Scholder began her career in publishing in 1985, working part time at the City Lights bookstore in San Francisco. During subsequent stints at Serpent’s Tail, Verso, and the Feminist Press of City University of New York, she’s published work by a veritable roll call of cultural icons, from Pussy Riot to Joni Mitchell, Kathy Acker to Diamanda Galas, William S. Burroughs to Sapphire, David Wojnarowicz to Savannah Knoop. In 2016 she added ‘documentary producer’ to her resume with the multi-award winning Disclosure, and continues to work on film projects, as well as books. She’s clearly done so much more than subtly polish existing writing — she’s been a major influence on transgressive literature in the USA.” https://litreactor.com/interviews/standing-on-the-threshold-an-interview-with-editor-amy-scholder
- E.g. “Host David Colosi sits down with Amy Scholder to discuss her three decade history in the field of publishing, her iconic series High Risk, as well as her most recent project, Icon, an anthology of essays on public figures written by some of the industry's most provocative writers, edited by Scholder and released by The Feminist Press. Amy Scholder has been editing and publishing progressive and literary books for over twenty-five years. She has published the work of Sapphire, Karen Finley, June Jordan, Kate Bornstein, Kathy Acker, David Wojnarowicz, Dorothy Allison, Mary Gaitskill, Joni Mitchell, Justin Vivian Bond, and Paul B. Preciado, and many other award-winning authors.”
- https://clocktower.org/show/amy-scholder-high-risk
- e.g. “I entered the bustling office and asked after Elizabeth Koke and Amy Scholder, who created, compiled, and edited Pussy Riot! A Punk Prayer for Freedom, a collection of letters, songs, poems, courtroom statements, and tributes by Yoko Ono, Johanna Fateman, Karen Finley, Justin Vivian Bond, Eileen Myles, and JD Samson. A portion of the proceeds from this e-book will go towards the Pussy Riot legal defense team. Amy Scholder, who was appointed Editorial Director of the social justice-inclined publishing house in 2008, sought out a room with a door for us to sit down and talk.”
- https://brooklynrail.org/2012/11/books/elizabeth-koke-and-amy-scholder-of-the-feminist-press-with-gabriel-don
- Moreover, if you enter the search term “Amy Scholder” into Wikipedia itself, you’ll see she is already referenced by 19 other pages: she is regarded as “an important figure” by all the individuals creating these entries about their respective subjects.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%22Amy+scholder%22&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1
- Scholder more than meets the third criterion (“The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series);).
- To illustrate this, and to make it easier for a non-specialist in American literature to understand, I have added a select bibliography to the article and also here.
- Selected Bibliography as Editor
- Shock Treatment by Karen Finley (1990, 2015) ISBN 9780872866911
- The Terrible Girls by Rebecca Brown (1992) ISBN 9780872862666
- Story of the Eye by George Bataille (1987) ISBN 9780872862097
- Duras by Duras by Marguerite Duras (1987) ISBN 9780872861988
- High Risk (anthology) Edited by Amy Scholder & Ira Silverberg (1991) ISBN 0525249664
- Bodies of Work by Kathy Acker (1997) ISBN 1852424850
- Break It Down by Lydia Davis (1996) ISBN 18524244214
- Ghost of Chance by William S. Burroughs (1995) ISBN 18524244060
- The Shit of God by Diamanda Galas (1996) ISBN 1852424432X
- To the Friend Who Did Not Save My Life by Herve Guibert (1994) ISBN 18524243285
- You Got to Burn to Shine by John Giorno (1994) ISBN 18524243216
- Rent Boy by Gary Indiana (1994) ISBN 18524243242
- Haruko Love Poems by June Jordan (1994) ISBN 18524243234
- Joni Mitchell The Complete Poems and Lyrics (1997) ISBN 0609600087
- American Dreams by Sapphire (1994) ISBN 18524243277
- Flaming Creature by Jack Smith (1997) ISBN 1852424429X
- In the Shadow of the American Dream by David Wojnarowicz (1999) ISBN 9780802116321
- Imagining Her Erotics by Carolee Schneemann (2002) ISBN 0262194597
- House Rules by Heather Lewis (2005) ISBN 18524244613
- Precarious Life by Judith Butler (2004) ISBN 1844670058
- Swimming Underground by Mary Woronov (2000) ISBN 1852427191
- Haunted Houses by Lynne Tillman (1995) ISBN 18524244001
- David Bowie Live in New York (2003) ISBN 1576871819
- Bushwomen by Laura Flanders (2004) ISBN 1859845878
- Street Wars by Tom Hayden (2004) ISBN 1565848764
- Mother Millett by Kate Millett (2001) ISBN 1859846076
- Scum Manifesto by Valerie Solanas, with Avital Ronell (2004) ISBN 1859845533
- A Field Guide for Female Interrogators by Coco Fusco (2008) ISBN 978158322780
- Greed by Elfriede Jelinek (2007) ISBN 978158327572
- Flying Close to the Sun by Cathy Wilkerson (2007) ISBN 978158322718
- Everybody Talks About the Weather by Ulrike Meinhof (2008) ISBN 9781583228319
- Give It to Me by Ana Castillo (2014) ISBN 9781558618503
- Tango by Justin Vivian Bond (2011) ISBN 9781558617476
- The Riot Grrrl Collection by Lisa Darms and Johanna Fateman (2013) ISBN 9781558618220
- Hammer by Barbara Hammer (2010) ISBN 9781558616127
- Witches Midwives & Nurses by Barbara Ehrenreich & Deirdre English (2010) ISBN 9781558616615
- King Kong Theory by Virginie Despentes (2010) ISBN 9781558616578
- Testo Junkie by Paul B. Preciado (2013) ISBN 9781558618374
- Pussy Riot! By Pussy Riot (2013) ISBN 9781558618343
- Savage Coast by Muriel Rukeyser (2013) ISBN 9781558618206
- What the Flowers Say by George Sand (2014) ISBN 9781558618572
- The Cosmopolitans by Sarah Schulman (2015) ISBN 9781558619104
- A Good Day for Seppuku by Kate Braverman (2018) ISBN 9780872867215
- The Gilda Stories by Jewelle Gomez (1991, 2016) ISBN 9780872866744
- After Silence by Avram Finkelstein (2018) ISBN 9780520295148
- A Quilt for David by Steven Reigns (2021) ISBN 9780872868816
- Funeral Diva by Pamela Sneed (2020) ISBN 9780872868113
- Walking Through Clear Water in a Pool Painted Black by Cookie Mueller, edited by Hedi El Kholti, Chris Kraus, Amy Scholder (2022) ISBN 9781635901665
- In terms of “such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series)”, please see the following:
- Coverage for recent publications edited by Amy Scholder
- LAST DAYS AT HOT SLIT by Andrea Dworkin, edited by Johanna Fateman and Amy Scholder (2019) ISBN 9781635900804
- https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/books/review-last-days-at-hot-slit-andrea-dworkin.html
- https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/01/the-radical-style-of-andrea-dworkin
- https://www.chicagoreview.org/andrea-dworkin-last-days-at-hot-slit/
- https://www.bookforum.com/print/2505/the-return-of-andrea-dworkin-s-radical-vision-20623
- https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/06/27/andrea-dworkin-fighting-for-her-life/
- https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/andrea-dworkin-review
- https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/jeremy-lybarger-andrea-dworkin/
- https://www.bustle.com/p/the-evolution-of-andrea-dworkins-misunderstood-feminism-as-told-through-a-new-anthology-of-her-work-16051968
- https://www.truthdig.com/articles/andrea-dworkin-teller-of-hard-truths/
- FUNERAL DIVA by Pamela Sneed, edited by Amy Scholder (2020) ISBN 9780872868113
- Winner of the Lambda Literary Award for Lesbian Poetry
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/books/review-funeral-diva-pamela-sneed.html
- https://salamandermag.org/for-the-living-and-the-dead/
- https://thecarolinaquarterly.com/2021/06/funeral-diva-a-review/
- https://www.them.us/story/read-me-pamela-sneed-funeral-diva-interview
- https://www.nyjournalofbooks.com/book-review/funeral-diva
- https://www.ebar.com/story.php?ch=news&sc=latest_news&sc2=&sc3=&id=300057&out_in_the_bay:_funeral_diva_poet_pamela_sneed_says_we_can_heal
- WALKING THROUGH CLEAR WATER IN A POOL PAINTED BLACK by Cookie Mueller, edited by Hedi El Kholti, Chris Kraus, Amy Scholder (2022) ISBN 9781635901665
- https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2022-04-21/collected-stories-of-late-great-1980s-it-girl-cookie-mueller
- https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2023/04/20/wilder-riskier-more-generous-cookie-mueller/
- https://4columns.org/frere-jones-sasha/walking-through-clear-water-in-a-pool-painted-black
- https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-word-future-wasnt-part-of-my-vocabulary-on-cookie-muellers-walking-through-clear-water-in-a-pool-painted-black-collected-stories/
- https://www.bookforum.com/print/2901/cookie-mueller-s-surreal-advice-for-living-24827
- https://www.clereviewofbooks.com/writing/cookie-mueller-walking-through-clear-water-review
- https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/55885/1/cookie-mueller-writes-the-best-opening-lines-in-literature
- https://www.ebar.com/story.php?ch=arts__culture&sc=books&id=316574
- https://blog.pshares.org/art-that-makes-us-see/
- https://www.wmagazine.com/culture/cookie-mueller-semiotexte-book-walking-through-clear-water-in-a-pool-painted-black
- You seem to dismiss Scholder’s role as producer as “a film she worked on with others”. I believe this demonstrates your fundamental misunderstanding of the role and importance of a documentary producer. Specifically referencing “Disclosure”, the end credit is "A film by Sam Feder and Amy Scholder," demonstrating a central, driving role in creating this award-winning work. I am hoping that a quick Google, which brings up articles such as those following, will enlighten you on the primacy of Scholder’s work as a producer:
- https://secure.cfwv.com/Career_Planning/Career_Profile/Career_Profile.aspx?id=s7lkR3JXfNXAP2BPAXQr4yKivWXAP2FPAX7gXAP3DPAXXAP3DPAX
- https://geekinsider.com/what-does-a-documentary-film-producer-do/
- https://blog.assemble.tv/film-production-101-what-does-a-producer-do
- Additionally, Scholder’s documentary films have attracted a remarkable amount of critical attention and acclaim.
- Press and award highlights for recent documentary feature films produced by Amy Scholder
- DISCLOSURE Produced by Amy Scholder and Sam Feder (2020), Netflix
- Nominated for a PEABODY AWARD
- Winner of GLAAD MEDIA AWARD OUTSTANDING DOCUMENTARY
- Winner of DORIAN FILM AWARD for Best Documentary and Best LGBT Documentary
- Winner of The Queerties for Best Documentary
- Winner of Pink News Award for Best Documentary
- NY Times: ‘Disclosure’ Review: A Transgender Lens on Film and TV History
- Vogue: These Are the 78 Best Documentaries of All Time
- Vanity Fair: Disclosure: The Oscar-Hopeful Documentary That Changed Hollywood
- Newsweek: 100 Best Movies of 2020, According to Critics
- USA Today: From 'Disclosure' to 'Pose': What movies, shows to watch on Trans Day of Visibility
- The CBS Mornings Podcast: The Importance of Transgender Representation on Screen
- Forbes: How A Trans Filmmaking Fellowship Became Foundational To The Success Of The Documentary Disclosure
- NBC News: 20 LGBTQ-inclusive shows and films we binged in 2020
- LA Times: Review: An enlightening look at transgender representation in Hollywood, then and now
- MY NAME IS ANDREA Executive Producer Amy Scholder, directed by Pratibha Parmar (2022)
- New Yorker
- The Hollywood Reporter
- NY Times
- When working on this article I also referenced other Wikipedia articles about editors who have had a similar career to Scholder. Again, I absolutely fail to understand how the following editors meet the standard for notability when Scholder does not:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lou_Aronica
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Silverberg
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedi_El_Kholti
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_Friede
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Cavin
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Cheiffetz
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Hochman
- Please advise.
- Thank you. Kazrene (talk) 19:04, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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- Hi @Kazrene, could you resubmit this actually, and send me a note that you've done so? I'll accept it. I didn't look at the "Standing on the Threshold" article closely because it's subtitled "an interview" - but it's actually a feature. That's the "something about her, specifically" I was looking for. Sorry about this! -- asilvering (talk) 01:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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