Johnst65

Help me with my first draft page !

Please help me with... I started to work on my first WiKi draft page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:Paul_Saxon_Quinn&create=Create+new+article+draft

This is my user page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Johnst65&action=edit&redlink=1

i want to safe my work in this draft. And be able to log out. And later if i have time, to login again, and continue with the page.

Yesterday i tried to figger out how this worked and i lost all my work.

thanks for your support. Johnst65 (talk) 20:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

You need to hit "Publish page" in order to save your work. This will make it publicly-viewable to anyone who knows where to look, but Google will not index user pages. (It used to be "save page" but people kept complaining about their work being findable, so it was changed.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your reply.

When i click on the Publish page button, a pop-up menu appear with the text 'Save changes'

You can chose the options: Permanent, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months.

What does this mean and what is advised to chose for the first time you want to save the work.

My page is for sure not ready and i still need want to add many things.

I just want to safe my draft now to not loose my work.

And what does the first line in my page mean.

{{subst:AFC submission/draft}}

Thanks for your supportand time ! Johnst65 (talk) 03:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Paul Saxon Quinn moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Paul Saxon Quinn, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, as you can see, I've moved this back into the draft space, because there are a number of issues that need addressing.

1. First and foremost, while the band Saxon is clearly notable, on account of their gold records etc., individual band members need to establish their individual notability, otherwise per WP:BANDMEMBER they will just redirect to the band. It isn't entirely clear that this person is notable, at least not by the general WP:GNG route, which requires significant coverage in multiple independent and reliable secondary sources — note that interviews, blogs, and other primary source don't count.
2. Secondly, the copyvio detector reports close paraphrasing of several external sources, and these passages need to be rewritten in your own words (you can see the offending text highlighted in red in the copyvio detector results).
3. Some of the content in the draft is not referenced, which would be a problem for any article, but especially so for an article on a living person, see WP:BLP. Please note that every material statement, anything potentially contentious, and private personal details such as DOB must be clearly supported by an inline citation to a reliable source, or else removed.
4. There are also issues with the name.
   1. The article is titled 'Paul Saxon Quinn', but I'm assuming that 'Saxon' isn't part of his name? This should probably be moved to something like 'Paul Quinn (guitarist)' instead.
   2. The article starts with 'Paul (Anthony) Quinn', without explaining whether the 'Anthony' is his middle name, actual name, or something else.
   3. And finally, the article refers to him several times as 'Paul', but we should never call people by their first name only; these should be replaced with either full name, surname only, or personal pronoun.

Issues 1 and 2 are serious enough to possibly cause this article to be deleted, had it been left in the main article space, and this is why I've moved it. Issues 3 and 4 are lesser problems, but nevertheless need addressing before publishing. Please let me know how you would like to proceed. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:59, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks you so much for these valuable comments. This is my first article so i am pleased with adressing these issues. I am used to write scientific papers, but i am new in the WiKi community. I will go carefully thru all these comments and make sure i will improve them by the WiKi guidlines. Paul Quinn is indeed a founding member of Saxon and thus partly also creativily responsible to these gold certified albums. His name is on these albums, but i am a few confused how this individual notablily can be proved if it can not be done with interviews, and blogs.. How this is normally done. On point 2: i used " " to mark the text i paraphrased and also add the source. Is this allowed in WiKi or do i still need to rewrite it in my own words. Point 3 i will check and relativily easy to tackle. Point 4 is also easy to adress. So i will work on the Draft to improve the article. Do i need to click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button or i can i directly move it into the public space like i did this time. Thanks again, highly appricated. Johnst65 (talk) 07:48, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

This comment says: the copyvio detector reports close paraphrasing of several external sources, and these passages need to be rewritten in your own words (you can see the offending text highlighted in red in the copyvio detector results).

-> were i can find these offending text results. So the report with al the results. Thanks for your time Johnst65 (talk) 20:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks you so much for these valuable comments. This is my first article so i am pleased with adressing these issues. I am used to write scientific papers, but i am new in the WiKi community. I will go carefully thru all these comments and make sure i will improve them by the WiKi guidlines. Paul Quinn is indeed a founding member of Saxon and thus partly also creativily responsible to these gold certified albums. His name is on these albums, but i am a few confused how this individual notablily can be proved if it can not be done with interviews, and blogs.. How this is normally done. On point 2: i used " " to mark the text i paraphrased and also add the source. Is this allowed in WiKi or do i still need to rewrite it in my own words. Point 3 i will check and relativily easy to tackle. Point 4 is also easy to adress. So i will work on the Draft to improve the article. Do i need to click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button or i can i directly move it into the public space like i did this time. Thanks again, highly appricated. Johnst65 (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Paul (Anthony) Quinn (Guitarist) (December 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Thatguy1987 was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Paul (Anthony) Quinn (Guitarist) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Thatguy1987 (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Johnst65! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Thatguy1987 (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:List of songs recorded by Saxon

Hello, Johnst65. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:List of songs recorded by Saxon, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 21:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:List of songs recorded by Saxon

Hello, Johnst65. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "List of songs recorded by Saxon".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:List of songs recorded by Saxon

Hello, Johnst65. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "List of songs recorded by Saxon".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:51, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:List of songs recorded by Saxon

Hello, Johnst65. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "List of songs recorded by Saxon".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)