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June 2014

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Please stop.

Please stop your mass edits and category additions. Just because someone converts to Islam does not automatically make them a former Christian. Some of these categories you are adding are redundent, e.g. former English and former British. Please research what you are adding before you add it. Martin451 01:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

It should be noted that your reverts of some of this user's edits are entirely inappropriate, Martin451. In this instance, you claimed there was "no evidence for Category" despite there being both a clear statement and a source in the article itself. Here you pretended to be unaware that a man living in 16th century England could have been raised as anything but Christian. That does not strike me as good faith. Surtsicna (talk) 01:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

No. The evidence is that he converted to Islam. There is no evidence that he was a Christen before. Wikipedia works on WP:VERIFYability, not on wp:or or WP:SYNTHESIS. Religious views a personal choice, not what others label you as. Martin451 01:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

No, read the cited source before making incorrect statements. Since we are hardly in a position to interview people who have been dead for centuries, we can only rely on how "others" labeled them. Wikipedia also operates under Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. You are perfectly aware that the two men were Christians, yet you revert sensible edits to illustrate a point. Such behaviour is disruptive. Surtsicna (talk) 01:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Apart from WP:V etc. what point am a I trying to make. Yvonne Ridley has just been labelled a former Christen, despite no evidence. User_talk:IslamicrevialistmMujahid is just labelling Muslim converts as former Christens without evidence. The two men you mentioned may have lived in a Christen country, but that does no mean they believed, or even open worshipped. If you have a problem with my edits, then please take me to WP:ANI. Martin451 02:00, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

That point precisely. No information about living people should be added without a reliable source, per WP:BLP. If historians describe historical people as Christians, so do we. We do not question their zeal or conviction, nor do we measure how good or bad Christians they were. If you continue seeking trouble for no reason, you are bound to be taken to WP:ANI. Surtsicna (talk) 02:10, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

User talk:IslamicReavilistMujahid Yvonne Ridley listen to her talk on her way to Islam she said that she used to go to Church twice a month. She was Anglican prior to becoming a Muslim

Then that needs to be added into the article with a reliable source, before (or at the same time) as the category is added. I have no problem with adding correct categories, but a new user adding categories to many articles in quick succession looks strange, especially new categories. You need to look at what you are adding based upon reliable sources, instead of just blindly adding categories to multiple pages. Martin451 03:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Where have historians described these particular individuals as Christens? They lived in a Christen country, but that does not make them so, historians have never claimed these to be former Christens according to the cited sources. The references for John Nelson never claimed he was a former Christen, just that he converted to Islam, there is little knowledge of his life before that. This user is adding living people as former Christens when wikipedia makes no mention of it e.g. Yvonne Ridley. Wikipedia is based upon WP:V not WP:I think this may be true. Suggesting I am being disruptive when I am not, is in itself disruptive. I suggest you undo your last edits to John Nelson (convert) as your behaviour is disruptive. Martin451 02:33, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

User talk:IslamicReavilistMujahid I agree that's why I have stopped labeling all people former Christians only those who have already being stayed either in the categories or on the page it self to be former Christians. I admit did begin to label people who had not being stayed as such but i have stopped that. The only reason I am doing this is because a deficiency on Wikipedia in regards to former Muslims vs former Christians, to the point that a Druze man who was called Muhammed had being labelled a former Muslim despite being of Druze background ,and by the way all the people I labelled came from the Page List of Converts to Islam from Christianity leading me to assume initially that they were all ex Christians, don't blame me blame the peopele who contribute to the page. So I will not stop unless you can give me a good reason. however I take your point about labeling all and redundant edits. but I am not going to stop

Martin, is there a particular reason for your referring to Christians as Christens? Are we talking about the same group of people? Surtsicna (talk) 08:36, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Talk page stalker I don't see an issue with his edits adding categories to articles, especially since they are all sourced as far as I can see. @IslamicrevialistmMujahid: thank you for your edits and Welcome to Wikipedia. ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ 話 ♪} ߷ _{♀ 投稿 ♀} 03:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

July 2014

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Your last three edits, at least, were controversial at least in part because you failed to provide any rationale for making them. LjL (talk) 02:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Policy violations, WP:BLP and others

It has become obvious that you do not wish to follow Wikipedia policies and are actively harming articles here. You are pursuing some personal agenda that conflicts with the goals here.

For instance, your labelling every Muslim that has had anything to do with Communism, etc. as "former Muslim". This is just one example [1]. Notice in the article where it says "boycotted Salman Rushdie's trip to South Africa in 1998 claiming that he was a blasphemer." You aren't looking at any evidence except your personal theories.

Your numerous violations of WP:BLP absolutely must stop. Wikipedia is not your personal playground for misbehaviour. Shenme (talk) 02:44, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I can bring you fatwa from big Ulama declaring Muslims who become Communists Non muslims, to use as my source if this to your liking, as for personal insults on your part, so what if they "boycotted a trip by Rushdie" this proves nothing IslamicrevialistmMujahid (talk) 02:50, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Fatwas are in no way reliable sources about anything except their own existence and details, and most certainly not about whether someone can be defined a Muslim. This encyclopedia is not based on Islamic decrees. LjL (talk) 02:52, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

What is the basis for authentic Islamic opinions on contemporary issues? IslamicrevialistmMujahid (talk) 02:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't know, but it doesn't matter, because Wikipedia's articles are not based on "authentic Islamic opinions". They are based on reliable sources, which are, in general, not even religious in nature at all. LjL (talk) 02:56, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

So a fatwa is not a relible source on Islamic related topics? I see IslamicrevialistmMujahid (talk) 02:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

In a word: no. It's really only reliable to report on its own content (i.e. you can use a source quoting the fatwa's content in an article about the fatwa itself). LjL (talk) 03:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

So im fascinated to know what is a realible source on islam related issues according to wikipedia?IslamicrevialistmMujahid (talk) 03:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Why don't you actually read the page about reliable sources that I repeatedly linked? Secondary, academic sources are generally preferred for any topic. Fatwas are, at best, primary sources about themselves. Rest assured that we would not say that someone is a "former Catholic" simply because the Pope excommunicated them, either. That would be absurd. LjL (talk) 03:04, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

So Orientalist works, by Non Muslims or Westrenised Muslims who follow in the Orientalist tradition, and why isnt someone excomincated by the Pope an ex Catholic? IslamicrevialistmMujahid (talk) 03:06, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Maybe because they still consider themselves Catholic? Maybe because others consider them Catholic? WP:RS is what we decide it based on. LjL (talk) 03:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I specified "Islam related" not sources in general, there is a diffrence. IslamicrevialistmMujahid (talk) 03:07, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

No difference. There is no special exception on Wikipedia for Islam-related topics. They must follow the same sourcing rules as everything else. LjL (talk) 03:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

So as I said an orientalist work. IslamicrevialistmMujahid (talk) 03:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

If that's how you interpret WP:RS. Suit yourself. Just don't except religious decrees to dictate the content of Wikipedia articles. LjL (talk) 03:14, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

What if I brought a book by any Islamic scholar would this be accepted as a source? I suspect not IslamicrevialistmMujahid (talk) 03:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Lorenzo why arent you answering my question? IslamicrevialistmMujahid (talk) 03:22, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

While I can't speak for anyone but myself, I'll venture a guess that nobody is responding because you're treating this like some sort of debate that can be won. There is no debate when it comes to site policies and guidelines. If you have a specific source you aren't sure about, you can ask for community feedback on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. LjL (talk) 14:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

March 2016

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