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Thanks for creating this account. Now, before we go any further, you need to look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edwin D. Fuller. Edwardx had nominated the article for deletion discussion on the grounds that Fuller simply isn't notable enough for an article. That was not actually determined by a discussion because of my speedy deletion. However, you will have to decide whether to take the chance on it being nominated for deletion again on the same basis. You will also see my reasons for deletion at the top of the page.

Please read the following very carefully.

• you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that he meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to him or his organisation, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the he claims or interviewing him. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls. In the deleted text, nearly all the sources are his own books, blogs, articles and social media. You will have to replace those with genuine independent third-party sources as defined in the link.
• You will have to show how he meets the notability guidelines. It's not obvious to me that he does, and if you can't write an article that makes it clear, you will be wasting your time
• you must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Because the article was sourced to his own writings, or to his company it's full of self-praise, such as His results included the creation of 80,000 new jobs worldwide... He offers guidance on management in any culture with respect and sensitivity... the book also explores his own career journey, describing how he built Marriott International's global presence, all lavishly decorated with self-quotes.
• there shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
• you must not copy text from elsewhere. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial; text is considered to be copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.

Before attempting to write an article, please make sure that he meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources. Also read Your first article. Have a look also at some of the articles here to see how it should be done.

If you still wish to proceed, I'll restore the article as a draft, remove the obvious spam and inadequate sources and indicate where proper sources are needed (nearly everywhere. Please don't underestimate the challenge you face in getting this to an acceptable form, but let me know on my talk page if you want me to restore as an edited draft, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:58, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I've restored as Draft:Edwin D. Fuller. I've removed promotional text. As I indicated, the problem was that nearly everything was sourced to him writing or speaking about himself, not independent third party sources. For example, the claimed board memberships in the last section should be sourced to those organisations, not his own website. Some of the surviving refs are bare urls and need formatting (most lack a title, so refill won't fix it) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for latest post. First note that paid editing of any kind is strongly discouraged, and I would probably be stripped of my admin rights if I accepted payments. A donation to Wikipedia would be great, but I wouldn't even be aware of it, and it wouldn't make any difference to me.

I actually think the current draft is a reasonable basis. If you are just stating bare facts about his career, the referencing doesn't need to be quite so impeccable. It's unlikely that anyone will challenge whether he was president of Marriott as long as the source isn't too blatantly promotional, and for minor stuff you might get away without a source. What you need to be careful about is stuff like long-term strategy development that applied corporate philosophies, delivered on brand promise and enabled ethical decisions which is giving an opinion on his competence in specific area; although the reference is fine in this case, it doesn't actually say what you claim. Better to just say he won the award.

Go through and check that what you say is purely factual, without comments on his competence, don't be drawn into things like a couple of paras about Laguna, which looks a promo for the company, just stick with the first, referenced sentence.

I appreciate you may not be able to reference everything, but I would have thought that there would be public record of an award ceremony attended by the Prince of Wales?

The article isn't far off, but it needs a bit more because its troubled history means that it will get closer attention than it might otherwise merit Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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Yes, you need to fix bare urls, I'd also add a publisher= field to those refs where it's not obvious what the source is, eg <ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/Articles/13071/Ed-Fullers-career-comes-full-circle-at-Marriott | title=Ed Fuller's career comes full circle at Marriott}}</ref> would be better as <ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/Articles/13071/Ed-Fullers-career-comes-full-circle-at-Marriott | title=Ed Fuller's career comes full circle at Marriott|publisher =Hotelnewsnow}}</ref> giving "Ed Fuller's career comes full circle at Marriott". Hotelnewsnow.

The other problem is the book. You have it as the first section, even before his professional career, which looks like a sales pitch. Normally publications are the last section, and that's where this should be. Secondly, you shouldn't use the book as a ref to itself. Add a subsection called Bibliography and put just the book publication details in it. Also, your summary of the book is taken from iTunes, a commercial sales site, find something independent, reviewers just won't accept sites like Amazon or iTunes.

His military career seems oddly placed, presumably this was early in his life, yet you place it after a mention of something in 2013

I don't like the Awards and Recognition heading, it sounds promotional, and I'm not clear that some of these are actually either. Better to move the industry awards into his professional career and have something like "Other activities" for this section

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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It's looking better. One minor formatting thing is that there shouldn't be spaces between punctuation and a ref or between two refs. You could move it to article space, but it might be better to add {{subst:submit}} to the page inviting a formal review. However, there is a backlog there.

The image was deleted because it didn't have a valid licence or fair use claim. You can't publish it as fair use because he's still alive and a free-to-use image could be taken. If you re-upload it, do so here and follow the wizard. These are your options

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• If you have copied it from an explicitly PD image on the internet, give the source. Apart from US government sites and Wikipedia, few images are explicitly free to use for for any purpose
• If I remember correctly, the image is the same as the one on this page, which isn't marked as public domain, and in fact the page is tagged All rights reserved. Pictures uploaded at Commons on on Wikipedia must be verifiability free to use for any purpose, including commercial, and that must be clearly stated.

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

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COI

A long time ago, I asked you if you were Fuller or representing him, and you claimed, despite your former user name, that you didn't have a conflict of interest. You have now said to RHaworth that you can get a copyright release, which suggests that you have not been totally transparent about your personal involvememnt. I'll remind you again that if you have a conflict of interest, you must state it on your user page Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:58, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

The issue above seems unresolved. I simply don't believe now that you don't have a conflict of interest, and until that's addressed, as I've indicated above, I see no reason to involve myself further with this article Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:35, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

OK, you started off editing with his name as your user name; you've spent months trying to get this this posted, including approaching third parties to get copyright release; you haven't made a single edit to any other article on Wikipedia. I've tried to assume good faith, but I simply don't believe that you are a completely disinterested observer who has decided to make it their mission in life to write a Wikipedia article about someone they have no connection with. This article was protected because of repeated spamming from now-blocked sock puppet accounts, so there is a limit to how trusting I am with your contributions Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:28, 11 January 2019 (UTC)