User talk:Hughesdarren/Archive 2

Speedy tagging

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west oz rivers

Hi. Thanks for the message. No problem if that is the more standard name. My main aim was to make sure that Wikipedia users can find any of the Calder Rivers in the future. I can imagine a few things will now have to be tweaked but hopefully the net effect is positive. When it comes to West Australia I guess the state and the watersheds will have near perfect overlap, so the name is not all that important, but will you put redirects on the "West Australia" version?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:59, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Andrew, I was going to move the article to keep the standard name for all of the WA rivers, hope you don't mind. Otherwise I agree whole heartedly with you about users eing able to find all the rivers of that name in the one disambig page. I'll fix up any redicrects that are needed. All the best and thanks for your input. --Hughesdarren (talk) 13:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

isseka

intrigued to see the connection with old brandy - hey good to see your moniker still regularly popping up on the watch list! SatuSuro 12:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

No real connection just updating maps really. I had a bit of a break over winter and spent my time coaching soccer instead but now the school year is gearing down so I may get to spend a bit more time on the WA stuff. Hows things with you anyway? --Hughesdarren (talk) 13:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

sorry should have explained - came across isseka - then did a henrietta search and found the late david brand had been to school there

as to your question:- hmm average - probably better off wiki re my travails - but hey trying to maintain a sense of humour in the face of it :) - wish my computer obsessed older son got back into soccer - he has let it go for a few years now SatuSuro 13:24, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I get it now, wasn't too sure if you were intimating I had a drinking problem. I saw all the nastiness surrounding the Rio Tinto mines article a short while back and couldn't believe that I got so sucked into it. Keep your chin up and keep on keeping up the good work :) Best Regards --Hughesdarren (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

oops heheh - nah as long as you dont let the water get mixed with the brandy (sic) pun - at least old sir david had simple background compared to some of the others SatuSuro 14:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

PPin maps WA

hello, P to Z have been done in last few days (I am lefthanded so I work backwards); the locator positions are top bottom and left but you rarely need to use in WA Cheers (Crusoe8181 (talk) 09:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)).

Location

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulong,_Western_Australia Bulong - or IOU is NE of Kal or Coolgardie http://www.ga.gov.au/bin/gazd01?rec=263401- I cannot for the like of me work out why there is stuff about Mullewa, Morowa or Wubin in the lead para - any clues? cheers - happy new year SatuSuro 13:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not too sure what I was thinking when I put thte Wubin/Mullewa road part in. I must have got confused with something else, I think it is fixed now though. Cheers and well spotted.--Hughesdarren (talk) 12:25, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey i have done worse I assure you - please email me sometime - I have a wikipedia t shirt for you - SatuSuro 12:28, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

while you have been off there have been a few interesting conversations re places in wp in general http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Victoria_(Western_Australia) - and others SatuSuro 12:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Goldfields

Aww :) I'll help where I can - it's come out of work I've been doing with the land districts and gazettes. This google map I've been working on may be of use - every town in my database in the Goldfields and remote regions is listed, blue indicates a former town. As they're all gazetted towns, most have a Landgate writeup, even the abandoned ones. This interesting and fairly new link has downloadable (but not small) maps of most of them, although they're simply cadastral maps that don't tell one much - I'm trying to database it all in an Access database I've constructed and make sense of the numbers, so to speak. Orderinchaos 16:25, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I've created a database dump of my Goldfields stuff at User:Orderinchaos/goldfields dump - may be of use. Orderinchaos 04:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

The land district's part of the gazettal - I grabbed them in part to complete the land district articles (some are more complete than others as you'll probably notice :P). I personally don't use them in town articles, especially for the big ones like Plantagenet, Victoria, Avon etc which hold literally dozens of towns, but they may be more important in more remote areas. Orderinchaos 10:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Nah, just did the one because I realised how weird it was going to be with the lack of gazettal or any other form of proper coverage. BTW on my database dump under "unchecked", which ones are yours, so I can move them to "complete"? (Or you can move them alternatively :)) Orderinchaos 14:44, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Hughesdarren. Fantastic work on the creation of some great articles on WA towns. They have improved the encyclopedia immensely. However, I have one request if I may. As well as tagging the talk page with the project template, could you please consider creating a link or a redirect from the plain name? See Varley for Varley, Western Australia and Balgarri for Balgarri, Western Australia for examples. Regardless of opinions about mandatory disambiguation, a link or a redirect from the plain name makes life easier for readers who do not understand our naming protocols. Again, great work on the articles. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 09:29, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, Good idea, I generally just click on the red link and get started and forgetting about the average user. Cheers and thanks for your kind words. --Hughesdarren (talk) 09:41, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Awesome work on those :) The only ones I can see of the remaining redlinks which seem to have been major or significant places are Brown Hill and Trafalgar (both near Kalgoorlie), Horseshoe (near Meekatharra) and Kintore (in the broad Coolgardie vicinity). Boorabbin would also complete the "Ngalbain Land District" (centred to the south of both Coolgardie and Kalgoorlie). Orderinchaos 23:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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I've put it on the article (was better quality than the one that was there). Skier Dude (talk) 04:58, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

bridgetown

started the category but oh dear not many articles to link SatuSuro 14:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Not surprising really....Bridgetown is hardly the centre of the universe. Hughesdarren (talk) 14:26, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

well tell that to deidre wilmott and jon doust (I was tracking back from their bio arts - and realised that there has to be a parent cat - and oh dear hardly an article for the cat :( (btw still owe you a birthday t shirt - I jut remembered - sorry about that - please send me an email to remind me to where ) SatuSuro 14:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I met Jon Doust when he launched Boy on a Wire and I think he'd agree with me. Ha, ha , I'd assumed the t-shirt had been intercepted by my nefarious neighbours and that it had been handed onto their friends or relatives to sscape my wrath. I'll send you a reminder tomorrow. I'm full of beer and ready for bed. See ya later Hughesdarren (talk) 14:37, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Still need reminders

FYI I have created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:South_coast_of_Western_Australia as the coastline thing is the largest in the world i think - ie the longest coastline for a single state level government entity on the planet - find a longer one ? - so the idea is your amazing labours will cross past your watchlist (if you keep them on) as I add them - also I am a fierce remove parent cats when child cats are present - so there might be some other items where stuff gets removed from cat territory that I think are yours - also I tremble at the sight of someone having added beach category against subrubs with the name in them over east - if I make obvious erroers please correct - cheers SatuSuro 06:29, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

but have much reduced time on so its gonna take for ages - as the slippages between beaches.surfing.locality etc etc - endless SatuSuro 06:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Added a few to the new cat, should I remove old coastline of wa cat afterward? Hughesdarren (talk) 07:15, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

yes SatuSuro 13:05, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

PS will be travelling next week, if you haven't posted T-shirt then maybe send in a weeks time? Did I send you my address again? Hughesdarren (talk) 07:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

yes SatuSuro 13:05, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

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About Ningaloo Station

Hi Hughesdarren. Bit worried about this article. OK, so it's a big station, but that would appear to fail the general notability guidelines... and at present the article would also seem to be somewhat promotional. Your thoughts? --Shirt58 (talk) 09:57, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm still working on it but if you think it fails on notability guidelines then nominate it for deletion. Hughesdarren (talk) 10:02, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

You've come up with a bunch of the same refs as I was looking at! Tagged for notability. If it's historically significant, no reason to press the WP:CSD button, though.--Shirt58 (talk) 10:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

please note my comment on the talk page - which is responding to the issue generically - specially as a large mount of effort went into the Australian Places project to establish guidelines on such issues - the individual cases where articles are insufficiently referenced can be responded to with material, and also tone (ie promotional) can be addressed, but I would recommend further discussion on the issue if necessary

The references used and indicated above are mere pinpricks on much larger resources available for such articles SatuSuro 10:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Yup its gonna take me a few days to get back to em - but hey - thanks you and order for the help with the list! looking great! SatuSuro 13:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Rockingham Senior High School

Hello Hughesdarren. Thank you for creating a new school article. Some errors of composition and format have been corrected by an editor. Please see WP:WPSCH/AG and see what else can be done to expand and improve the article. Happy editing! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:48, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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There are quite a few Kimberley items to have an off line discussion about - cheers SatuSuro 14:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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Please email me sometime

I have things that I owe you from almost 18 months ago... SatuSuro 11:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

How's it going? I can't find your email address anymore, have you got mine by chance? Hughesdarren (talk) 11:21, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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Stock special

I think I might have enough material to start an art on the specials that went from Meekathara to Midland stock yards - they show up in the WAGR Monthly Notices because of the amount of preparation of the system to let them through without much delay - and I think there might also be newspaper reports because they really were quite historic events in most cases - let me know if you come across good newspaper reports about them please... cheers SatuSuro 05:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

actually all looks quite humdrum when you see examples like

"Stock and Station News". Geraldton Guardian (WA : 1906 - 1928). WA: National Library of Australia. 8 October 1925. p. 1. Retrieved 19 May 2012. SatuSuro 05:44, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

OK will do, there are plenty of movement notices for all the station articles I've done, most of which include stock from many stations in the area. Hughesdarren (talk) 11:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

wow - just see the national hit (ie no state separation...) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=stock+movements - almost half a million entries :) - thanks for your link - it has me thinking that the state, subject and rail thinning down - maybe a lot less - but the geraldton guardian seems to be the best bet so far - thanks again - must find some time to find a range of sources on the subject - I wouldnt be suprised if the meeka - midland trips were possibly the longest rail movements of stock in southern hemisphere in their time - but then the argentinian railways might have had similar - and they were at their peak in the 1930's - almost all gone now... SatuSuro 14:05, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Land systems of wa

Hmm now that we have 43 stations (the urge to find another 7 is tempting) the land system issue arises. according to an impeccable source - they are vital to understand status of pastoral/range lands - and all should be up and explained (sigh) its a lot of work - it would almost be like a plan to come down your way for a weekend sometime if i could even get 2 or 3 other eds interested... to have a workshop on how to collate the info and get it up (the info usually lies in the ag dept tech bulletins 'inventiory and condition survey' i have a borrowed cop of the murchison and north east goldfields ones - (sigh 74 for murchison, 60 for ne goldfields) i suspect the total for state exceeds 300 different types.... but i dream, no longer with an spare time it sort of gets a bit dizzying - the amount of suff that is not up yet... SatuSuro 05:23, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Hiya, I only have 3 stations left to do: Carlton Hill, Murgoo and Byro. These are the ones thaat appear to have the most information available most others I've had a look at are very sketchy. Don't make any big plans on my account, in 4 weeks I'll be offline for 3 weeks at Countryweek and in Bali, then back for a fortnight then gone for over 3 months on long service leave. Hughesdarren (talk) 05:50, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Excellent - nah just fantasizing/thinking aloud - wow enjoy that time off! sounds great - thanks for what you have done - nah I might find some interested - but its reall crazy stuff - like even thinking of asking anyone else to help with land systems is a bit like asking people to create a whole inside wp database of something the avearage punter wouldnt even want to know about, but... SatuSuro 05:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Refs

Hi Darren, you're doing great work on Western Australian articles. However, there are a few minor problems with the way you're writing the refs (i.e. titles should be in sentence case (which I know is a pain in the neck with the NLA archives), there's no need to include the years in the publisher field, etc). See my edit to Pardoo Station. Graham87 14:24, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

And there's also no need to put the word "Template:" before a template (like a station navbox) when you're adding it to an article. Not that makes any difference to the output on the screen; it just makes the code a bit tidier. Graham87 14:29, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the advice. I wasn't aware that the NLA referencing was incorrect, do you the NLA will change the wikipedia citation code to the correct format? The navbox was my first attmept, I was just happy it displayed correctly at all. Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 14:45, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't realise that the citation format was generated by the NLA website. I've just contacted them with some suggestions for improvements. Good work on the navbox ... templates aren't easy to work with at all! Graham87 04:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

By sentence case, I mean the case normally used in sentences (i.e. the only words that should be capitalised are the first one and any proper nouns), as I noticed with your edit to Gnaraloo, which is also on my watchlist. But that's like complaining about a sunset because you were hoping for more purple; you added some badly needed history to the article. And through your edits, I learnt about the point as a former rainfall measurement equivalent to a hundredth of an inch, and I've duly added a mention of it to this section of the "inch" article and this section of the "point" disambiguation page. Are you or anyone else reading this aware of other uses of this unit besides rainfall measurement in Australia? Graham87 15:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

The old cockie next door had educated me on the point system of rainfall, he said he hadn't heard anyone use it in years. I thought I'd write something about it later if I could find a more reliable reference. I'll fix up my excessive capitalisation, sometimes titles just look a bit wrong without them.. Hughesdarren (talk) 09:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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