User talk:Hopiakuta/Archive 2

Your random removal of approximately 20% of the Eureka, California article in your edit of that article

Are you aware that you removed the entire bottom portion of the Eureka, California Article? I am not sure what happened, but I wanted to call it to your attention. A great deal of work done to that article was wiped away in a key stroke by your hand. This type of editing is disturbing to one who has labored long and hard to develop an article. Further you placed question marks anywhere there were metric measurements in the beginning of the article. These units of measurement are standard Wiki procedure. My hope is that by bringing this to your attention, you may avoid such a massive article upset in the future. Norcalal 08:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Please do include a legible, readable, screenname.

As for your message, if anything had been deleted, particularly on such a scale, I simply do not know what to say,... I had not attempted to alter any of that, at all.

Is it conceivable that anyone could read the serverlog, in order to discern what could've occurred? If someone could do so, then, possibly, they could figure how to avoid it from recurring.

If I had somehow caused that, well, I am simply sorry. Certainly, if someone would intentionally do that, it would be vandalism.

I am taking a very long time to typewrite this, as I do not comprehend enough to say much of anything worth having been said. Certainly such an incident deserves a description, which I do not have. It deserves a response; but I have very little of that, except to babble. Whenever a person answers a question, they should include appropriately credible content; if I could think of any, I would have completed this message, & saved it, half an hour ago, an hour ago.

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eureka%2C_California&diff=155752201&oldid=155463391 >.

I just do not know what to say, typewrite,....

Sorry,

DonFphrnqTaub Persina,

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 13:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk: Barack Obama

Please stop. If you continue to use talk pages such as Talk:Barack Obama for inappropriate discussion, as described here, you may be blocked. If you have a point that is relevant to the editing of the article, please make it in a cogent manner. Tvoz |talk 08:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

If listing his quotes from yesterday is in violation, then, once again, this website proves its bias.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 08:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem is you did not identify those as his quotes, nor did you make any point - did you want them included in the article in some way? If so, say where and why. The article talk page is not a forum for airing of anyone's opinions about the subject - it is for discussion how to edit the page. I'm sorry, but your entries were incomprehensible. Tvoz |talk 08:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

If you'd like to compile lists of quotations, the place to go is Wikiquote. Wikipedia articles are not mere collections of quotes, and talk pages certainly aren't. Best, Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 16:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I've already put an explanation there.

Thank You.

&, I am truly pleased that the past couple of signatures seem to match the screennames; that's progress.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 17:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Not really, no - you have not put an explanation there. You've said these are quotes from Obama, but give no sources, which is your responsibility as the one providing the quotes, not others' responsibility to go hunt them down. But more importantly, you have not indicated why you've posted them or what point you think they illustrate. They don't belong on the article's talk page, and it's not clear where in the article you think any of them would belong. Iain99's suggestion is good about Wikiquotes. Tvoz |talk 17:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I did offer an explanation; but, I had neglected the proof:

I had sincerely thought that many other people would have heard it. So, it seems, the people who care about those pages, had never heard it:

< http://google.as/search?q=%22i+think+we+should+not+have+had+this+discussion%22+%22perpetuates+this+notion%22+%22disastrous+foreign%22+%22bad+options%22 >.

Thank You,

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 18:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I was not questioning the authenticity of the quotes - I was explaining that to include them in any wikipedia article you'd need to include references - direct quotes have to have specific citations attached to them, so that they can be verified by anyone who wants to do so. The Congressional Record, newspaper articles citing them, etc - reliable sources. And they need to have context and some indication of what point they are illustrating. I can't speak for anyone else, but as one of the people who edits the Obama pages, yes, I heard his comments at the hearing, but that is not relevant to anything - you seem to be offering them up as something that should be included in the article, so you need to do the legwork and give the sources and context. Other editors can always refine it, but you need to give us more than just some quotes without anything else. So why don't you try Bobblehead's suggestion on the article talk page and see how it might fit into the advocacy section - you can post your draft on talk first if you like - and/or consider the separate article specifically about his political positions where it might fit more comfortably. The point is - you chose to bring these quotes forward, and presumably you had a point you wanted to make. So please share that with us - if you don't want to tackle the actual adding of this to the article that's ok - maybe someone else will then come along and get it, and he or she might try incorporating the quotes into the article. And one other thing - your accusations of bias are neither productive nor accurate, so could you please stop that. Tvoz |talk 19:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you use a screen reader?

On your talk page, you have said "please do respect my disability access need". Are you using a screen reader? I am blind and I am an administrator who uses one - I would be happy to help you out with any questions you may have. There is a little help at wikipedia:using JAWS and some tidbits at wikipedia talk:accessibility. If you are using a screen reader, which one are you using and what version is it? I could try to help you out with your editing issues - for example when people say that you accidentally turn some text into question marks, that is caused by some part of your system not supporting unicode characters. Graham87 02:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank You.

Thank You.

Thank You.

Thank You.

I did want to stress that first, respect to respect; however, in a variety of ways, my electronic-disabilities, physical-disabilities, emotional-disabilities, cognitive-disabilities, are slightly different than all of that.

Far too difficult & painful to typewrite that [w]right now; however, some of it could be spoken telephonically, per your instructions, whatever they might be, if that would be acceptable. My disabilities do include many complex complications, complicated complexities. Did I communicate that I am complex? If we do speak, w/o keyboard, then I might add an additional pun @ some point. That's my warning; lots of people have listened to them w/ no warning.

Anyhow, truly describing what the problem is; well, I've been attempting to describe it in various messages since June, 2006, when I had found an extremely racist, extremely handicappist, policy page, about vandalism. @ the time, I did not really know much of anything about opening a page, nor an account, et al.

Naturally, as the page had been about vandalism, & because I did not know how to open a page, I was, obviously, immediately, accused of vandalism. It took several months for anyone to actually read my complaints; I was repetitively accused of vandalism, & a variety of other crimes. One time, someone had actually cancelled my account f/ a few hours; although the message @ that specific moment had not specifically been about disability-access, directly.

Anyway, eventually, I had convinced one of you to cancel that webpage, in terms of its being presented as policy. Now, although the page is no longer there, I do contend that the attitude[s] persist[s], virulently. I do sense it w/ virtually every message that I scribe,..... & every page that I peruse [in each of of the various definitions of that word].

You obviously feel otherwise about this website; however, I do sense a persistent aura of disability genocide, underclass genocide. If you can comprehend this, when society removes the specific veneer, the actual policy, of segregation, oppression, exclusion, et cetera,... The poison, the corrupting venom, may persist in the various bodily fluids, akin to destroying lymph, blood, marrow,....

I do know that you had expected that my primary disability, my severest disability, would be visual in nature. Now, although I currently have my machine set @ twenty pica, that is far from being my severest symptom. It is far down on the list, one of many thousands of symptoms.

Sorry f/ not having the response that you had wanted; but, I thought that this should be said.

Thank You,

DonFphrnqTaub Persina,

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 06:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Graham 87

Graham 87

Henry Louis Mencken a mistake:

You never push a noun against a verb without trying to blow up something.

In a 26 July 1920 article in the Baltimore Evening Sun, Mencken wrote about the difficulties of good men reaching national office when such campaigns must necessarily be conducted remotely:

The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

Mencken's paper published his "secret diary" in 1989, kept sealed for 25 years after his death in 1956, on his instructions. According to an item in the South Bay (California) Daily Breeze [1] on December 5, 1989, titled "Mencken's Secret Diary Shows Racist Leanings," Mencken's views shocked even the "sympathetic scholar who edited it," Charles A. Fecher of Baltimore.

There was a club in Baltimore called the Maryland Club which had one Jewish member, and that member died. Mencken said "There is no other Jew in Baltimore who seems suitable," according to the article.

And the diary quoted him as saying of blacks, in 1943, "...it is impossible to talk anything resembling discretion or judgment to a colored woman..."

The Diary of H. L. Mencken was published by Alfred A. Knopf.

If much of what he had written had been handicappist & racist, how does that affect the relevance to our era, nearly a century later?

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 07:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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• Henry Louis Mencken
• < http://google.as/search?q=%22haunting+fear+that+someone+somewhere+may+be+happy%22+%22%22+%22%22+%22%22 >:

• "haunting fear that someone somewhere may be happy"

• < http://google.as/search?q=%22advocates+want+to+change+the+way%22+%22that%22+%22will+have+no+choice%22+%22son+that+gay+marriage%22++-%22haunting+fear+that+someone+somewhere%22++-henry+-louis+mencken++puritan++ >.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 23:59, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

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Carlton_D'Metrius_Pearson universalism universal reconciliation Unitarian-Universalism agnosticism ignosticism

I fail to comprehend why this article seems to claim that this is so shockingly new. I, also, fail to comprehend why msnbc, [as well as Christian News Network, Time-Warner,] & inumerable other networks seem to think that this is controversy. The networks & wiki should report it to say that millions of Christians are tricked to think that this had not occurred millions of times in the past several millennia. It has so much so that it is the early roots of Unitarian-Universalism, which has, now, evolved such that many Unitarian-Universalists have rejected both theism & atheism, as offensive. Those of us of that opinion would frequently declare ourselves as [devoutly] agnostic|ignostic.

Please do distinguish between heresy, hysteria, history, & heritage. Presenting hysteria as though it were history is, simply, not the best manner to present history. The concept heresy, is hysteria.

Carlton_D'Metrius_Pearson  

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 03:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

This article continues to read as if there is something new here; it is not.

• < http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewtopic.php?p=1372&highlight=&sid=8913b73d20245b62699ab7a50cfa53c1 >;
• < http://forum.ironchariots.org/viewtopic.php?p=1216&highlight=&sid=8d9b286a40bd16df4da154655329d52d >;
• < http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Main_Page >.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 01:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Clinton_Richard_Dawkins

• < http://richarddawkins.net/article,944,-New-Noahs-Ark-ready-to-sail,CNN >.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 04:00, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: adoptme

While I don't have the time for wiki adoption as such, I would be willing to help clean up your user page, comments, and generally try to help you communicate better, if you're interested. --Random832 14:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Based on the problems in this edit (among other similar problems i've seen mentioned), it seems you are using an old (4.something) version of Netscape. You might consider upgrading to a newer browser if possible. --Random832 20:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

06:30, 13 September 2007 proposal

Whereas, my condition is as described @ "06:30, 13 September 2007 ", I cannot think of a better resolution than that request & offer. I cannot, thus far, think of a better way to describe it. To attempt to do it on-screen would only require scribing a dauntingly huge series of pages, which would only result in making me [much more] ill. In order to comprehend what I am requesting, please do attempt to shrink some of your presumptions.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 23:14, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion

Your editing (esp. talk page comments and technical problems caused by the computer you're using) is currently being discussed at WP:ANI#User:Hopiakuta. If you would like to contribute to the discussion, please edit there. Just a friendly notice. —Crazytales talk/desk 16:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WP:ANI&action=history >;

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=wikipedia:administrators%27_noticeboard/incidents&action=history >;

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=wikipedia:administrators%27_noticeboard&action=history >;

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=wikipedia:administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&action=history >:

Whereas, my machine has crashed twice attempting that page, that is, therefore, as far as I can go.

I cannot attend my own beheading.

Please, someone, comment about:

• maier
• bruton+(disambiguation)

• fraud-adoption

• < http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/The_Doppleganger&oldid=59341492 >

Thank You,

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 18:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Far from a "beheading" - we really do want to help you. Since you can't go to that page, here is a copy of the discussion so far. If you wish to reply here, I will copy what you say there. --Random832 17:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

As for what you asked for comment on - Maier and Bruton (disambiguation) look ok, I have no idea what you mean by "fraud-adoption", and I thought the issue with that "Long term abuse/The Doppleganger" page was dealt with long ago. --Random832 18:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I organized Bruton (disambiguation) some for you, what do you think? --Random832 21:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:ANI#User: Hopiakuta

Can anyone make any sense out of this user's page or talk page, signature, or the user's edits? Hopiakuta (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) I think the original block was probably not so far off base - this seems like a lot of gibberish to me. Tvoz |talk 08:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This is the user's signature - everything within and including the outside brackets:

[[ user : hopiakuta |[[ hopiakuta ]] Please do [[ sign ]] your [[ signature ]] on your [[ message]]. [[ %7e%7e ]] [[ %7e%7e | Thank You. ]]-]]

which comes out like this, including the brackets: [[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]]

Tvoz |talk 08:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I went to his talk page, and couldn't make heads or tails of it. Does anyone think he/she is copying a message someone left for them at one time? And what's with that warning at the top of the page? R. Baley 08:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

He seems to contradict his own rule about clear signatures.. — Moe ε 08:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Careful Moe, that little greek character there might be considered vandalism. Someguy1221 08:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Not just vandalism, but SPAM VANDALISM Better add "?" to the list of bad words.. — Moe ε 08:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

(unindent) I looked back through his/her contribution history (which is a little scary) and he looks to have tried to get help with his sig back in November 2006. I'm sure there are other issues at play here, but is it possible that he changed his sig at some point and just never got it right (looks like his name didn't have traditional characters in it early on). I'm not sure she/he knows enough english to be helped. Btw, she added back the quotes to the Obama page, but it's still unclear what she wants. . .R. Baley 09:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe this person is trying to recreate WP:BJAODN? Both user & talk pages are truly ... odd. -- llywrch 21:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

From the talk page: "Please do respect my disability access need." Actually I think this user might be blind and is using some screen reading software. That would partly explain the copying of system- and error messages into the edit window. — Edokter • Talk • 23:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I got that impression when I encountered him some time ago - is there any kind of support group here for that sort of thing that he could be put in contact with? --Random832 00:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

That would also explain the concern with others signing their comments. For the sighted, it is a simple thing to click on the history tab and see who made the edit. On the other hand, if you have to have it read to you, what an ordeal that must be. -- But|seriously|folks  01:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm blind and use a screen reader - using Wikipedia effectively with a screen reader can be very difficult if one does not understand much about the technology. The closest thing to a support group for users like that is probably wikipedia talk:accessibility but I suspect English is not this user's native language. I've left a message at the talk page anyway and I'll see what I can do to help. Graham87 02:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Well this is the response. Make of it what you will. Graham87 12:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

In trying to make sense of it, I managed to track down the "extremely racist, extremely handicappist, policy page, about vandalism." - he objected to the inclusion of this image to illustrate the concept of "doppleganger" [which apparently meant, at the time, closer to "sock puppet" than to what we now use the term for] - He considered it racist because the subjects are black (though, no comment on whether he would think the same if a picture where the subjects were white had been used instead), and handicappist because either he considers being a twin to be a disability, or because of the (by no means obvious from the picture itself) fact that one of the subjects suffers from Aplastic anemia (though it seems the motivation was not in fact racism, but simply because it was an available picture of twins, the use of a picture of living people to illustrate it was certainly in bad taste) - he had some difficulty communicating this objection, leading to accusations of vandalism etc which understandably left him with negative feelings about the wikipedia community --Random832 14:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I've taken a somewhat detailed look at his contribs, and it looks like apart from incoherent talk page comments, it's mostly redirects from dubious misspellings. --Random832 16:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

With no disrespect to the user, it looks like neuro damage to me, like someone that's been in a really bad car accident at some point. Someone I knew at school went like this, one quirk which is similar to this person is repetition of similar or inverted forms, eg the "complex" bit in the diff. I could probably find emails from that person on one of my old hard drives to compare. Mostly they are still high-functioning but the bits related to communication, both inbound and outbound, are impaired. Orderinchaos 06:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

DonFphrnqTaub Persina (apparently Hopiakuta's real name) is a founding member of a disability living centre in California. He probably has a cognitive disability of some sort, which would explain his incoherent talk page comments and copying of error messages. I don't think we should prevent such users from editing Wikipedia, it's obvious Hopiakuta is acting in good faith. —Crazytales talk/desk 16:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I have been following Hopiakuta in curiosity for some time, and came to the same conclusion about the nature of his disability. I'm honestly not sure what the right thing is to do about it. I agree that he's acting in good faith, but his work is disruptive nonetheless. I would like to do something to help him but I'm not sure what the best way to reach him is. It's a puzzler. Tim Pierce 17:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I was reading this a while back (found the page because of his (her?) affiliation with adopt a user), and it finally struck me what this reminds me of. Is it possible this user doesn't speak English and is using a faulty translator... like the free one Google offers? The interesting use of words and the user's propensity to misunderstand idioms and non-literal statements would seem to point to that, and his/her edits do read like a poorly translated web page. What do you guys think? L'Aquatique ^talktome 22:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Anyone agree with me? L'Aquatique ^talktome 22:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. Would that those programs could produce grammatical sentences. If you read carefully, beyond all of the distractions, you'll see that Hopiakuta's use of language is nuanced, ironic and subtle - and always grammatical and on target. Nothing like the mess you get out of those programs. The problem is that the commentary that Hopiakuta includes are often whimsical and inappropriate, as they distract from the serious content of his comments. And the repeating of links and sig style are also distractions, and you have to work too hard to find his point. I have no idea about whether any disability is causing any of this - but if you work at it you find that his contributions are not incoherent. But we shouldn't have to work so hard. Perhaps a partnership with a willing editor who could translate the on-point edits made on a user sub page into recognizable format would work, but someone would have to volunteer to do that. Tvoz |talk 22:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

You are probably right, I just thought I'd throw it out there. If it is a neurological disorder (which it would seem to be) I would guess it's a problem with the parts of the brain that control language and/or speech. I wish I had more time, because it would be a shame to let someone who seems to have good faith be driven out because of a problem communicating. As a writer I know it would kill me to have a bunch of good ideas floating around in my head but not be able to share them with other people. Hopiakuta, if you are reading this... If there is something we (I) can do to help you contribute, we'd love it if you would tell us, please. L'Aquatique ^talktome 00:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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We really do want to help you work on wikipedia - what should we do? I've already tried to recommend getting a browser that won't crash on long pages like that, and you ignored that. --Random832 17:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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To everyone else: He indicated above that he wants to speak to someone (specifically was Graham87, but he did not seem to stick around to see the request) by telephone, and would prefer that to having to type so much - if someone would like to take him up on that? --Random832 18:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

font pica

< http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0106753 >:

Also Known As (AKA)

Amor Mata, O Portugal Doppelgänger Germany Doppelganger - kaksoisolento Finland Doppelganger, le double maléfique France (video title) Doppelganger: The Evil Within USA Double maléfique, Le France (DVD title) Dubbelgångaren Sweden Enigma Mortal Brazil Mask of Murder 2 Germany Po drugiej stronie slonca Poland

If this is sometimes "Mask of Murder 2", "Mask of Murder Two", then, would "Mask of Murder One", be the 1985 edition??

Please, could someone translate these words[??]:

Po drugiej stronie slonca

maléfique

kaksoisolento

Naamiomurhaaja

< http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0089561 >:

Mask of Murder (1985)

Country Date

Also Known As (AKA)

A Máscara do Crime Brazil Naamiomurhaaja Finland The Investigator (undefined)

< [url]http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0089561 [/url] >.

Thank You.

• < http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0106753 >:

• Also Known As (AKA)

• Amor Mata, O Portugal
• Doppelgänger Germany
• Doppelganger - kaksoisolento Finland
• Doppelganger, le double maléfique France (video title)
• Doppelganger: The Evil Within USA
• Double maléfique, Le France (DVD title)
• Dubbelgångaren Sweden
• Enigma Mortal Brazil
• Mask of Murder 2 Germany
• Po drugiej stronie slonca Poland

• If this is sometimes "Mask of Murder 2",
• "Mask of Murder Two", then, would
• "Mask of Murder One", be the 1985 edition??

• Please, could someone translate these words[??]:

• Po drugiej stronie slonca

• maléfique

• kaksoisolento

• Naamiomurhaaja

• < http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0089561 >:

• Mask of Murder (1985)

• Country Date

• Also Known As (AKA)

• A Máscara do Crime Brazil
• Naamiomurhaaja Finland
• The Investigator (undefined)

• < [url]http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt0089561 [/url] >.

• Thank You.

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There are many comments above; I do find them so complex, that I feel the need to locate a better machine in order to scribe responses,....... such as @ a library. However, as you can see from this message, if I copy from imdb, foreign characters copy well, very well.

However, if I copy those very same characters from wiki, it does fail. I am forced to conclude that there is something malfunctioning w/ wiki's font-output, & how that output mistranslates to an old machine.

Now, there are many wiki-features that I do want imdb, as well as bank-account-services, other websites, to employ; however, here is one feature where imdb is far ahead.

Thank You,

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 18:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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First, I would like to explain what I think is the problem your machine has with foreign characters. There is a basic set, called "Latin 1" which only includes a few dozen, that many websites (IMDB, etc) use. Wikipedia uses the set called "Unicode", which contains many thousands of foreign characters, and any that are not also in "Latin 1" will be changed to question marks when an old web browser is used that does not support them.

What kind of computer do you have? It may be possible to get a web browser that will support Unicode and that won't crash on long pages without having to get a new computer, new operating system, or anything else. What kind of web browser are you using on your computer right now?

Second, I would like to explain that in the old page (which has now long since been deleted) that talked of "Doppelganger" was not referring to that movie, but using the word in a generic sense meaning a double, or one who looks the same as another. The picture that was used on that page was simply used because it was two people who, since they are twins, look the same. Nothing more than a poor attempt at humor, rather than being any sort of underlying triple racism as you assumed. --Random832 18:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Each of you do have a tendency to assume facts not in evidence; you do obsess over justification, verification, et-al. I perceive little, or no, evidence of your doing so regarding your own selves.

< http://google.as/search?q=%22jena+six%22+%22noose%22+%22joke%22+%22prank%22++humor++louisiana++ >;

< http://google.as/search?q=%22minnijean%22+%22brown%22+%22trickey%22+%22%22++democracynow++integration+is+communism++little+rock+nine+arkansas++ >.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 21:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

< http://calif-ilc.org/about.htm >;

< http://calif-ilc.org >.

Someone has located one of my secret identities;

so, it's true that I have done something not specifically on the internet.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 21:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The machine that I do employ most often, in the past few months, though not a few hours ago, is a 1997 < http://apple.com >, w/ MicroExplorer, as well as a downloaded copy of

< http://icab.de >;

< http://icab.de >;

< http://icab.de >;

< http://icab.de/mimicry.html >;

< http://icab.de/faq.html >.

Now, a billion crackers know what virus|worm to send.

It is my general impression that MicroExploder crashes|freezes fifty percent to ninety percent; icab crashes|freezes something like twenty percent to fifty percent, per reboot, &/or browser-reboot, &/or website-attempt, &/or webpage-attempt,....

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 00:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The most crucial fact right now is that edit, that alteration, @:

< http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/The_Doppleganger&oldid=59341492 >.

As for a fact that is simply not a fact,....?:

"... I would like to explain that in the old page (which has now long since been deleted) that talked of 'Doppelganger' was not referring to that movie,..."

You really had thought that I had not seen that false premise prior to rejecting it?

Well, I do admit to being largely illiterate, compared to all of you brilliant computer programmers; but, occasionally I can even alliterate.

I'd been intrigued by that dopp-word since I'd been a small child,... science fiction, science fantasy.

Yes, it is true that that page is one of several reasons that I've been looking @ various spellings of the word; however, as I checked various Alemán versions, I saw the movie listed, above. I, then, went to imdb in order to figure the various questions listed, also above.

When I saw how those words did copy, to here, correctly, & they, as yet, have not corrupted, I'd suspected a route to crack your handicappism, racism. But, even the most brilliant sun does not penetrate all objects. I, truly, do want to learn about those words.

Just how many sexual harassment lawsuits, race riots, include a phrase akin to[??]:

"Nothing more than a poor attempt at humor, rather than being any sort of underlying,..."??

Have you been attempting to diagnose me, as well, from a hundred miles [or kilometers] away, sort of like the congressional Terri_Schiavo style??

"Don't Sit Under The Jena, Louisiana, Tree With Anyone Else But Me."

Again, the most crucial fact right now is that edit, that alteration, of that page; I, hereby, request a copy of that edit, not the entire page, just the edit. Please, do place it here.

Which wikiklan member had said that that "...issue with that 'Long term abuse/The Doppleganger' page was dealt with long ago."??

As for "fraud-adoption", you have this adopt-a-dupe buzzword deception.

Do you have even one consistent policy? One?: category_talk:redirects_to_Wiktionary; assume good faith.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 05:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

< http://google.as/search?q=%22poor+attempt+at+humor%22+%22%22+%22racism%22+%22%22++joke+prank++ >.

[[ hopiakuta Please do sign your signature on your message. ~~ Thank You. -]] 07:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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"Which wikiklan member had said that that "...issue with that 'Long term abuse/The Doppleganger' page was dealt with long ago."?? Well, it was deleted, wasn't it? -- Anyway, regardless of anything else, the picture was chosen because they were twins, not because they were black or because of any disability, end of story. Would you have accused it of racism if a picture of a white pair of twins had been chosen instead? Would you have accused of "racism against able-bodied" people if there were no disability angle? hypocrite -- the particulars of the picture, other than that they were twins, was absolutely immaterial. The joke itself, bad as it was, was based only on the fact that they're twins, not anything else about them or about the picture. Why not have said "racism against people who wear yellow shirts", if "racism against multiple birth siblings" is a valid accusation? What if i were to accuse you of "Racism against people whose online screen names begin with an 'R'" for arguing with me, if you can say racism for just anything. There is no such thing as "racism against multiple birth siblings." End of story.--—Random832 16:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)