Geoffswoodwork

Help request

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I would have liked to made some contributions to Woodwork.

I have a web page to help Students of Woodwork and I have a book that Students may refer to. The Web Page is Geoffswoodwork. http://www.geoffswoodwork.co.uk/ The book is: Woodwork for Joiners and Cabinetmakers for Beginners and Improvers. - Geoff Malthouse - Stobart Davies Ltd, ISBN 978-0-85442-156-5

It appears that to have a Wikipedia mention, the system requires links to external sources. But if such links are not accesible on the WWW then it is impossible to comply. There are many areas I could have made meaningful contributions for woodwork articles but it seems these are ignored. Geoff (talk) 16:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi, Geoffswoodwork. This is NOT some automated message...it's from a real person. You can talk to me right now. Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed you've just joined, and wanted to give you a few tips to get you started. If you have any questions, please talk to us. The tips below should help you to get started. Best of luck!  Chzz  ►  12:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

ようこそ You don't need to read anything - anybody can edit; just go to an article and edit it. Be Bold, but please don't put silly stuff in - it will be removed very quickly, and will annoy people. Ask for help. Talk to us live, or edit this page, put {{helpme}} and describe what help you need. Someone will reply very quickly - usually within a few minutes. Play in your user area. For example, create User:Geoffswoodwork/test. Edit existing articles, before you make your own. Look at some subjects that you know about, and see if you can make them a bit better. For example, Wikipedia:Cleanup#2009. When you're ready, read about Your first article. It should be about something well-known, and it will need references. Good luck with editing; please drop me a line some time on my own talk page. There's lots of information below. Once again, welcome to the fantastic world of Wikipedia! --  Chzz  ►  12:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Grade sources • Cite sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists • Best articles Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Pages needing attention • Peer review The missing manual

Tips on referencing

There are lots of ways to do this, some are simple, some more complex.

Personally, I like using citation templates, and fill in as much as I possibly can; maybe a bit more work, but I think it looks better. You have a <REF> at the start, then a suitable cite tag, then </REF>. An example usage is;

<ref>
{{Citation
 | last = Preston
 | first = Peter
 | title = D. H. Lawrence in the modern world
 | last2 = Hoare
 | first2 = Peter
 | author2-link =
 | publication-date = 1989
 | edition = illustrated
 | place = [[Cambridge]], [England]
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
 | url = http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=J5nRoaOwkPMC&printsec=frontcover#PPA125,M1
 | accessdate = 2008-05-11
}}
</ref>

For all the possible things to include, see Template:Citation

Of course, you don't have to put everything in, just whatever you can. The above example is a book, but I've included a 'convenience link' to a website that displays it.

Then, at the end of the document (but before any 'category' tags), you need a references section. You just put,

== References ==

{{reflist}}

Hard work? - help is at hand. There are lots of tools that create cite tags automagically. Personally, I use Zotero for the web links, and the cite book generator for books.

I also recommend you look at other articles and copy from them - especially featured articles, which should have good refs.

Hope this help, cheers,  Chzz  ►  16:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Already exists

 Chzz  ►  22:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I've replied again.  Chzz  ►  22:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Promoting your website on wikipedia

You can't promote your own website by externally linking it in articles. Your article appears to be an attempt to promote your book, also. It's up for deletion and probably will wind up being deleted if sources about its notability can be found. Also, a book review is not an endorsement. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 05:03, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Reply

{{adminhelp}} The reason why I linked my website and book was to offer my knowledge for inclusion in Wikipedia Woodworking Project. The project seems like it could do with some input from someone with professional knowledge and experience and balanced with some English input. I would have been quite happy to write articles in the missing and weak subjects but I just seemed to have been ignored? There are obvious entries and comments that have been accepted that at the very best are from amateur enthusiasts? If nothing else, my book may have shown my 'credentials' to an editor with knowledge of the woodworking trade and shown the Wikipedia editor the quality of any possible contributions. The endorsement of the Institute of Carpenters was a hard copy and couldn't be linked to. But you will see the Institute's Coat of Arms and statement of endorsement on the back cover. The flippant comments by Phil Bridger and comparison to 'Noddy in Toyland' was out of order and unnecessary insulting to say the very least. Overall I am disappointed with the responses I got from the Wikipedia team. Geoff (talk) 17:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)