Emeraldflames
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Are you editing logged out? edit
76.101.18.118 (talk · contribs) changed your post at BLPN. If that was you, please try not to edit while logged out. Thanks. (I reverted the IP's change). Dougweller (talk) 18:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- Probably. I have a habit of doing so. Thanks for heads up.
Text not allowed about Martin/Zimmerman edit
I regret that several people have not been allowed to add the reported background events in the article, despite being noted in several major sources and confirmed by multiple people in various reports. I tried 7 times to convince people that Wikipedia policies actually insist that non-gossip information be stated in an article, such as text confirmed by school officials, parents and attorneys, while also cross-checked by respected journalists. As you might know, when censorship of mainstream sourced text reaches this level of obstruction, then Wikipedia experiences a total deadlock, as most wp:admins are reluctant to enforce policies to stop people from removing sourced text. Such deadlocks have happened in several other articles, not all about Florida issues.
As a long-term cure, I have advised changing Wikipedia policies to impose per-article edit-limits on suspected users who seem to obsess, rabidly, on removing text in a wp:OWNership attitude. By limiting users to perhaps 70 or 80 total edits to an article, or talk-page, such as 3 edits per day, then that would allow a broad spectrum of normal editors to also add text, or discuss opinions, without a small core of intense editors always second-guessing or removing all comments they do not like. As explained with wp:IDONTLIKEIT, no editor is entitled to keep removing text because they personally do not like it, and think it violates imagined policies, when many level-headed editors have concluded the policies allow, or even require, the inclusion of that censored text. Again, I am sorry you have wasted so much time trying to add the obvious neutral text, while a small group of unusual editors had decided to take obsessive control of the article. I hope you can find other articles to work, and do not let this extreme, repressive experience ruin your interest in Wikipedia. This situation is very rare, and happens only in limited cases. -Wikid77 (talk) 23:16, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
- Homeboys from prior school: I have begun to find the troublesome major connections to handgun culture, which many of us had suspected. Your questions on the talk-page led me to investigate Carol City High School (MCCSH), which was 86% black, and Martin's transfer in 2011 to Krop, which is 70% white (29% Black). According to recent sources, MCCSH was a "ghetto-like" environment, where all the guys posted Myspace photos posing with handguns or semi-automatics. The school after 2007, talked of "The Curse" of student deaths (source: [1]), and now more than 20 teenagers were either shooting, shot or killed since 2006, every few months. The drive-by shootings in Miami Gardens, FL had been bad since, at least, 2006, with more than 20 bullets shot at some houses. One Carol City High student joked in 2009, in response to Columbine, "We bring guns to school, but we don't use them". With all that happening, it is like a guy being suspected of illegal fishing, who grew up in a fishing village where all the other guys took photos with illegal fishing rods. Martin's father even warned him, "Society is bad" and expect to fight everyone, rather than most people with guns rarely use them. I doubt that any of this would be "allowed" into the article yet, but the main point is that Wikipedia has provided a forum to uncover these connections, which helps explain what happened that night. With Zimmerman's prior assault events plus burglary suspects, and Martin's recent 2 years at "Handgun High" then it is reasonable to assume that a confrontation between those 2 was likely to end with a shooting. Certainly, seeing a handgun drawn was likely to spur a "do or die" fight. All of this was masked by photos of a 10-year-old kid, or scenes of snow-skiing in Colorado, and conveniently ignoring years in a school neighborhood surrounded by periodic shootings, involving over 20 students. Perhaps as similar issues are noted during the criminal trial, next year, then the article would be allowed to state the obvious facts. Thank you for your talk-page questions which made these issues a focus for consideration. We will see what testimonies are given next year. -Wikid77 (talk) 08:50, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree with all of your conclusions, but the background information and articles are very interesting. Emeraldflames (talk) 12:07, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Trayvon Martin Timeline problem edit
There is a problem with the Timeline that I hope you can fix. The Timeline shows Martin completing his purchase at 7-Eleven BEFORE he left to walk to the store. Tried to view the video to discern the time stamp but was unsuccessful. Can you see it well enough to fix the problem? Thanks! Apostle12 (talk) 17:49, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- You can't really see the hour on the timestamp part, but you can see the minutes and it shows about :24 after. I'm not sure whether the clock was accurate on the camera, but the date was. The 6:40 time given by USA today offers no specific source of it and it's mentioned as approximate. My guess would be that the time he left is inaccurate, in part, because that seems like a lot of distance to cover- there and back again. I would say if there isn't another source for the 6:40 time to get rid of it, because it doesn't really make sense. Emeraldflames (talk) 18:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
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Straw poll at Shooting of Trayvon Martin edit
This notification is to inform you of a straw poll being conducted at the talk page of Shooting of Trayvon Martin, your comments would be welcome and appreciated on the allegations of witness #9. [2] Note: If you choose to comment, please mention you were contacted via this notification. Thanks!-- Isaidnoway (talk) 08:17, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
More activity re: Trayvon Martin "violent encounter" edit
Today's changes to the lede have become a matter of discussion. Would appreciate your comments. Thanks. Apostle12 (talk) 16:05, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Right? Right? edit
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Right! Stop that! It's far too silly! Don't take this too seriously. Another user just wants you to know something you said crosses their boundaries of sensibility. |
Fair enough. Emeraldflames (talk) 02:39, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
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