Dissidentrightindian

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May 2020

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to Dissident right. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Grayfell (talk) 02:47, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I will add sources for my claims — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dissidentrightindian (talk • contribs) 02:47, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

If you plan in writing an entire article on something as controversial and niche as the "dissident right" you should really makes sure these sources are reliable. This will also mean that they are independent of the dissident right. For example, Fuentes' own work is not reliable for Wikipedia for several reasons. Help:Your first article and Wikipedia:Drafts may also help. Grayfell (talk) 02:54, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I've added sources from left wing, right wing, and neutral sources. -thedissidentindian

No, those are not reliable sources. Please review the links above. Don't cite blogs or other user-generated content such as youtube videos. Cite published works, such as news sources or books, with a positive reputation for accuracy and fact checking. Summarize those sources neutrally, which doesn't mean false balance. See WP:NPOV. Wikipedia isn't a platform for advocacy, also. Grayfell (talk) 02:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Understood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dissidentrightindian (talk • contribs) 03:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I should also mention that source must actually mention "dissident right". It may be obvious to you that "groyper" and "dissident right" are the same, but that's just more original research. If you think this term gets an article, you need to find sources which explain the term directly. Make sure there are enough sources for the term to meet Wikipedia:Notability. Otherwise it will be a waste of time.

Please also see Wikipedia:Signatures. When posting to talk pages, please add a signature by added ~~~~ at the end of your comment. Grayfell (talk) 03:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Should I make the article about "Groypers" instead? Dissident Right isn't a well known term tbh. But I don't know how to make a new article. Again, I'm new to wikipedia. Dissidentrightindian (talk) 03:13, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

TBH, you're wading into a mine-field with your first edits. There have been a lot of trolls editing related to Fuentes, so be aware that people's patience is pretty thin. That shouldn't stop you, but know what you're getting into.

I would start by contributing to Draft:Groyper, which was started a few months ago. If you mention any specific people, make sure edits follow Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. If you find a reliable source that mentions "dissident right", use that, but make sure you include what the source actually says, not what you think it implies. You can also ask questions at Wikipedia:Teahouse Grayfell (talk) 03:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Groyper

What do you think of this? I tried to make it as netural and accurate as possible.

Dissidentrightindian (talk)Dissidentrightindian (talk) 20:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I've declined the draft, since it's very premature. It will need a lot more work before it's ready to move to article space.

You need to summarize what sources are actually saying, but the draft did not do that. For a short article on a controversial topic, it's very useful to cite specific claims, instead of just adding links to the end. See Help:Referencing for beginners. The draft you wrote added a lot of personal opinions as facts, but this isn't appropriate. Every opinion needs to be attributed to a source, and specific claims of fact also need to be sourced. Instead of writing what you personally know, read what reliable sources are saying and summarize that. Grayfell (talk) 21:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

You don't need Grayfell's permission to move the article into mainspace; it has sufficient reliable sources to show notability so you can just move it into main space yourself and it should be able to survive. CovidWriter (talk) 02:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Since CovidWriter was blocked for disruptive editing, you should ignore that bad advice. Grayfell (talk) 05:19, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

And for defending Hitler and the far right in general. Doug Weller talk 09:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

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Doug Weller talk 12:16, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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