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| Your work today on NES history is truly heroic. You journeyed to the deepest castles to rescue tons of dead links and added some serious citations. I want to know how you did all that research, and how I can help! I can't say enough, but I am astonished. You get unlimited 1ups today, to last for a long time!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smuckola (talk • contribs) 22:42, 2 November 2015 (UTC) |
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Hi there. In a recent edit, you deleted a bunch of citations and prose, containing very authoritative information. You deleted the entire concept of the focus upon Baseball, which is crucial to understanding the context and atmosphere of the NES's release. And, you replaced IGN (written by a firsthand eyewitness) with The Mushroom Kingdom. This is extraordinarily bad; why would you do that? I found all that stuff in a master stroke of lucky research just because I nostalgically downloaded Baseball on VC for free. So you just forced me to redo a lot of needless work. :( And in the edit summary, you said "If they'd have asked me, they probably could have saved a trip to the library." If who'd asked you what, going to what library for what? And who are you talking to? — Smuckola(talk) 19:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
- I don't trust the IGN article. It claims that the New York launch had 18 titles, but even into early 1986, NOA was stating that it had a library of 17 titles. It also implies that Mach Rider was one of the titles demonstrated in New York, but even into early 1986, neither NOA nor any of the retailers were listing that in the catalog. I also think that the significance of Baseball is overstated. I am skeptical that the IGN article was written by a firsthand eyewitness, as A) the author of article never actually claims to have been one, and B) every single one of those details could be found in David Sheff's Game Over. Although Nintendo did employ the services of Mets players during the New York market test, that was New York. Nintendo employed a lot of aggressive promotional tactics at that time, of which celebrity appearances was only one. I find no evidence that Nintendo otherwise placed any particular emphasis on Baseball. In its press release announcing the launch of the NES nationwide, aside from the Deluxe Sets pack-ins, Nintendo singled out: Tennis, Excitebike, and Super Mario Bros. Not Baseball. In the 12 years since the claim was added, the only source found for the "Enhanced Video System" claim does not seem as credible about the surrounding events as the Wikipedia article, and also makes the same "18 titles" claim. Just because an article is put out by a name such as IGN and Ars Technica does not automatically make it more accurate. If you still disagree, we can discuss this in the article talk page, as it is a content dispute. Dancter (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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No edit wars here :-). But personal opinions don’t count. I’m fine with how you now tagged Nathan Adam Morley and will get more secondary sources. In the meantime, hope you have a great weekend.ShoesssS Talk 18:10, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- I can't stop you from dismissing it as just "personal opinions," but "secondary sources" does not simply mean, "attributed to another party." (Wikipedia:Person and party) Even if your source was reliable, it is not a secondary source. Dancter (talk) 18:31, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Dancter, thank you for picking my mistake of the above page. I guess my click on copy on Cejudo Sherdog url didnt pick up and instead paste on previous link I copied. Thanks of revert my edit. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 01:55, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Dancter, Greetings. In MMA, nick name is sometimes considered ring name. Such a Donald Cerrone , normally known as Cowboy, Cowboy Cerrone; Conor McGregor as times media calls him in his nick/ring name "The Notorious", same as Antônio Rogério Nogueira is address as 'little Nog' for his brother is the 'big Nog' and many more. For Loma Lookboonmee that is her nick/righ name and it was used to as common name which the article was created - pls see here for her name is "KONKLAK SUPHISARA". For such that does not change the fact that the article page name and the nick name is the same name. The hidden texts are placed there so editors would not remove the nick name and thought it is a mistake. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:31, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Dancter, Greetings. In MMA, nick name is sometimes considered ring name. Such a Donald Cerrone , normally known as Cowboy, Cowboy Cerrone; Conor McGregor as times media calls him in his nick/ring name "The Notorious", same as Antônio Rogério Nogueira is address as 'little Nog' for his brother is the 'big Nog' and many more. For Loma Lookboonmee that is her nick/righ name and it was used to as common name which the article was created - pls see here for her name is "KONKLAK SUPHISARA". For such that does not change the fact that the article page name and the nick name is the same name. The hidden texts are placed there so editors would not remove the nick name and thought it is a mistake. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:31, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- @CASSIOPEIA: While a nickname may be incorporated into a fighter's ring name, unless it is a Brazilian sobriquet such as Renato Moicano, it probably isn't exactly the same. As indicated in the Wikipedia article, nicknames are distinct from stage names and titles. "Cowboy" is a nickname. "The Notorious" is a title. In the most literal sense, a fighter's ring name is their name as intended to be presented by the ring announcer. Just because the UFC has codified a primitive, informal convention into a somewhat inflexible naming schematic in its database and presentation package does not mean that a ring name actually cleaves cleanly into a nickname and a personal name. For example:
- "Siyar the Great" and "Alexander the Great" are nicknames; "The Great" is not.
- In practice, "Remember the Name" is a manner of address, rather than a name. There is a bit of pretense in referring to it as a nickname. In another case of a fighter who manipulates ring announcement convention for sloganeering—Miranda Maverick—in practice her nickname is "Fear the Maverick," not "Fear the."
- Max Griffin and Leah Letsons's nicknames are not "Pain" and "Nidas," but "Max Pain" and "Leah Nidas," allusions to ultraviolent 2000s pop culture protagonists. Similarly, Luke Sanders' nickname is "Cool Hand Luke."
- Sam Alvey's nickname is "Smile'n Sam." Rose Namajunas's nickname is "Thug Rose." Sodiq Yusuff's nickname is "Super Sodiq."
- "Loma Lookboonmee" is not a nickname. "Loma" was a nickname, but in this context, it is not being used as such. "Loma Lookboonmee" is her professional name. It is an alias. It is not "a substitute for the proper name of a familiar person." It is the proper name in this context. In Muay Thai and MMA, "Konklak Suphisara" is not her proper name. Just because a name is not a legal name does not mean it is a nickname, and just because it is listed on Sherdog's primitive database as a nickname doesn't mean it is one. For example, Tapology documents both names, but does not list "Loma Lookboonmee" in the specified Nickname field. There is no presumption that the Name column of the list of current UFC fighters lists legal names. It is no more appropriate to call Loma Lookboonmee a nickname than it is to refer to "Elvis Costello" or "Michael Keaton" as nicknames. Similarly, Sangmanee Sor Tienpo is not a nickname for Pongsakon Sittidech. Sangmanee Sor Tienpo is his ring name; Tharok Nung Laann is his nickname. They are different things. Dancter (talk) 21:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Dancter, if the article title/page name is not the real name of the subject the on the lead section we will put the real name and the subject nickname/stagename/ringname (as it is the page name) will be place between the first and last name of the subject in the lead section see MOS:HYPOCORISM - example Magic Johnson. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:54, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- @CASSIOPEIA: I don't know what other ways I can convey that "Loma Lookboonmee" is not a nickname, and should not be referred to or treated as one. It is certainly not like "Magic" Johnson. You point me to that MoS section—using the MOS:HYPOCORISM shortcut for some reason (it is not a hypocorism)—and then conveniently ignore all the other, more applicable guidelines laid out within for formatting alternative names, while pushing the one that does not apply. You are not engaging my point, and I'm trying to understand why. Dancter (talk) 07:27, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- Dancter, MOS:HYPOCORISM = MOS:LEGALNAME = MOS:NICKNAME = MOS:QUOTENAME - they are all links to the same section of MOS:NAME = For people who are best known by a pseudonym, the legal name should usually appear first in the article, followed closely by the pseudonym. Follow this practice even if the article itself is titled with the pseudonym. In regarless it is a ringname/stagename/nickname/commonly known by/ etc - the title of the page would be used if whatever the common name is found on sources. At Sherdog name below the fighter name is considered nickname as per all mma fighter page in Sherdog. If years later, the subject is know more for their birth name as long as what is the most common and it is well source of the time, the the page will reflect the common name accordingly. So, Loma Lookboonmee (what ever it is a nick/common/stage/right/known for/etc at the moment as most sources are using it then the subject real name/birth name should be in the lead section (first "page name", last name) and if the nickname/stagename/rightname/ is not the title of the page, then they will be appeared in the infobox "other name" section and on in the lead - that is the MOS guidelines. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- The Tim Allen example in the guideline you cited provided a clear model for how to present a professional name that is not a nickname, yet you chose the template for nicknames. The guideline does not prescribe any special requirement to present the page name in the article text, as elucidated in the Emory Sparrow example—the very last one in the section. I reject your premise of Sherdog Fight Finder's primacy regarding these matters. I had already addressed the limitations of the templates the UFC and Sherdog use, pointing out a number of examples in which either the text entered as a nickname is not the exact nickname, and/or in which the ring name does not align with Sherdog's [given name] "[nickname]" [family name] format. For Loma in particular, I would be circumspect about the reliability of many of the typical MMA sources, given how little intersection there has been historically of Thai-based fighters with the UFC. Dancter (talk) 17:20, 27 November 2019 (UTC)