User talk:CharonX/Archive 2

My reason for opposing the German userbox solution

You can see my reason, and what I am trying to do to halt it, here. I look foreward to your comments.
—Lady Aleena talk/contribs 23:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for the revert

No probs. — FireFox ^(talk) _{19:25, 04 August '06}

Possible Userbox Solution

1. Nice to see some as bad at spelling as me.

2. Have fun on you break.

This is a form letter, please don't reply directly. Do, however, feel free to discuss this solution I've come up with.

I've made an unofficial place for all User Boxes (hopefully) safe from overzealous Admins. Feel free to add any you like, edit any there, or just list your already made userboxes there. Also feel free to edit the main page (the user page) in any way that you think might help. Please note, however, that this is a user page and not an official Wikipedia page, so almost any User Box will be tolerated as long as it's within reason. UserBox 02:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

ABUSIVE DICTATORSHIP sysop report

Hi CharonX, I'd like to report an outrageously abusive behavior from one of the EN.WIKI sysop. This is User:Cyde Weys. First he agressed my big brother on his talk page, telling nonsense like "you'd better go to myspace", he didn't welcomed him but attacked him without reason. My bro' answered him on his talk that he only registered the English Wikipedia for 48H and to let him go, my brother told me that you even came on his talk page and told to Cyde Weys to calm down and to follow the Not Bite Noob policy. Then this sysop answered you by threatening my bro that "he'd better edit articles in 48H". Today my bro had edited a bunch of articles and he also answered Cyde Weys on his own talk page, that he wanna be free and to go troll someone else. And guess what? The Cyde Weys came and BLOCKED him for 24H WITHOUT REASON!! JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED! he told him that he had blocked him for trolling and being impolite???? This is crazy man!! My big bro' did anything bad he only registered and edited a few articles (contrib), and this is Cyde Weys that came FLAMED HIM, TROLLED HIM and HAD BEEN AGRESSIVE with him with no reason!!! This is crazy! This guy is totally insane! Who the hell this guy thinks he is? Is it the sheriff?? Is this guy really allowed to act like a dick and be a TOTAL DICTATOR just because he is sysop?! He come says fuck off, you say him to calm down and he blocks you! What's the hell? This is crazy man. Where can I report this incident please? Is it possible to remove the adminship ability to a bad sysop? Thanks. Paris By Night 13:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

First of all, please calm down. Take a deep breath. Better? Ok. Cyde might have been a bit harsh on Buenaparte Social Club in his initial message, considering he registered only a a few days ago - this was my reason to point him to WP:BITE which suggest cutting newbies some extra slack. Still, Buenaparte Social Club's reaction was - let's be honest here - out of scale and borderlining a personal attack (see WP:NPA). Following another uncivil comment (calling others a troll is not nice) Cyde decided to use the block-hammer, which is a valid option for any sysop. Personally I would recommend letting the issue rest, less stress for you and your brother and Cyde, but if you insist, I suppost you can use Template:Unblock to contest the block. CharonX/talk 14:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I think that I will let it go, a friend of my brother told me that no admins here will dare oppose to Cyde as they're both sysops and that they will defend him against my brother, so it was useless. However, telling a new comer to leave and head for myspace instead of welcoming him still sounds like a Personal Attack to me. Also I was suggered to let it go or this Cyde will seek and find a reason for blocking me too if I dare resist his leadership. So I think it's useless. Thank you. Paris By Night 15:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Civil Dialog

Charon - As you can now see on Cyde's talk page (you might have to use the history to figure out the latest), I have agreed to cooperate. However, I hardly think that I was the source of the head-ache here. I saw a wall of agression coming to userspace and attempted to slow it down so that more thought could go into implementation. Unfortunately, in these situations, you can't just say "Come on guys, let's talk," because they just say "Shut up, we're moving on." So I feel I had to be a jerk to get their attention, which I sort of accomplished, maybe. The real problem is that there is no rhyme or reason to how they are treating userboxes, hence someone's comments about fascism. I would MUCH PREFER that we work on the details more to get some consensus before running headlong into a solution that was potentially much worse than the original problem. Without some thought, we are headed to a world with the same (or worse) divisive and inflammatory userboxes, scattered and tolerated broadly, with little recourse. On top of that the good userboxes will also be inconsistently named, scattered all over creation with long, weird names that only confuse people and make them less effective. --NThurston 14:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

As I said earlier, sorry for being so grouchy - I was having a head- and a toochache, but I guess that's no exuse. Also, having taken part in the userbox wars, I tend to react negatively when I think somebody might, even if unintentionally threaten to inflame the issue again. But let's get back to the discussion. If I read your post correctly you have two main issues with the current practise: Firstly, that "divisive and inflammatory" userboxes are being moved to userspace, allowing them to stay there while they would have been deleted if they remained inside templatespace. And secondly, that the other userboxes (i.e. the good ones) end up scattered inside multiple archives with longer or more difficult names. Correct? CharonX/talk 14:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Almost, but not quite. Personally, I don't really care whether there are divisive or inflammatory userboxes (much less where they are located). However, apart from my feelings, GUS doesn't do anything to get rid of them (presumably the goal of some). So, if the point of GUS was primarily to be a compromise, all it really accomplishes in its current form is that the 'bad ones' aren't in template space anymore. And, you have my second point correct - the cost of this policy is that whatever usefulness there is in 'good' userboxes is greatly diminished, under the current approach. So, I doubt greatly that the cost-benefit equation works in favor of this being a good idea. Hence, the Simple userbox solution - declare that Template:User is not really template space, but is actually an extension of userspace. Effectively the same benefit, but at a much lower cost. --NThurston 14:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

But I am willing to cooperate to work on other ways to reduce the cost of GUS to 'good' boxes.--NThurston 14:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Currently, the GUS patrol is working on userfying all of the automotive-related userboxes, which are hardly devisive or inflammatory. I fail to see why that makes a positive difference to Wikipedia. --NThurston 14:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Part of the issue is that it is hard to draw a precise line between "good" (NPOV, non divisive & inflammatory) and "bad" (POV, or D&I) boxes. What one person considers perfectly okay the next guy will guy apeshit about. There are people who insist that Bugs Bunny is technically running around naked and should be forced to wear pants. There are other people who truely don't understand how anybody could be offended by them having sex in the public. Drawing the line for "good" boxes is almost impossible to do, as there will almost always be somebody that feels offended and objects. So the safest way is to draw a precise line, minimizing what could be (intentionally or unintentionally) misunderstood or misinterpreted. So far, the best solution for that was to minimize the things that are allowed (e.g. official & project related boxes) and move everything else to userspace. CharonX/talk 22:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

British Royalty

CharonX/Archive 2, WikiProject British Royalty wants you! WikiProject British Royalty is an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to British royalty on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you should visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.

DBD 14:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation, but I admit I hardly know anything about english royalty, so I'll decline. CharonX/talk 22:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

User Copyright

Go for it. --Pilotguy ^{(roger that)} 20:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverts

I found an error on User:CharonX/Userboxes/User_christian done by the Kitten Vandal and reverted it.

--BrainiacOutcast

Thanks alot mate, I was away the last few days (studying for exams, urgh) CharonX/talk 01:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Drini and the CVU deletion

You, like so many other Wikipedians, seem to have felt that Drini's actions in the CVU deletion proccess were wholly inappropriate and did not follow policy. As a result, I'm forming an ad-hoc group of sorts composed of people interested in removing Drini. If you'd like to be involved, just drop me a note. ShortJason 20:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

While I did and do not agree with Drini's decision in this issue, I respect him as an editor and administrator. Thus I must decline to participate. CharonX/talk 01:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks! I confess I have no idea what I did to deserve a hug but I'll take them where I can get them! ++Lar: t/c 02:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Saw you were stress want to talk?

Hello saw you are stressed wish to talk? Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 02:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks :) Lately I've been hard pressed to keep my temper regarding some issues (yeah, userboxes) and in general I'm somehow weary of it. I tried to wikibreak for a week or two, but this thing is far too addictive to really quit, so I kinda drudged on, some votes on XfDs, some vandal reverting, but nothing real. And my final exams in university are pretty close too (less than 2weeks away) and I'm worried if I can get a good grade, but I guess that's normal for any student. Add a dose of persistent summer flu to the mix and you get me where I'm right now. CharonX/talk 02:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow sounds like some deployments I have been on. (Navy ships are kind of like that) Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 02:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, I got to skip military service due to health reasons, probably learning some stress handling there would have been good (though I can't say I'm sad to have missed the "crawl in mud" exersizes in basic training). CharonX/talk 02:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

well Navy is not crwal in mud more like how to keep your butt from drowning while your compartment is flooding kind of thing Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 02:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Nah, in Germany everybody gets to takes basic training before they are sent to the different branches. Have you already completed your duty in the navy our are you still active in there? CharonX/talk 02:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Still active on my second enlistment Carrer Military. Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 02:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't have been my kind of life - I'm not what one would call "athletic". I'd enjoy hearing more, but would ya mind if we continue this tomorrow, I'v gotten really sleepy right (I guess staying up to 5am in the morning to learn & wiki takes its toll) Mind if I hit the sack for tonight? Been really good talking with ya. :) CharonX/talk 03:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

No prob. Drop a line on my talk page or e-mail me. night Æon ^{Insanity Now!}_EA! 03:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Sorry if anything is going on. I have not checked this IP's contribs yet, but I can confirm that this is definitely a shared address - I look around and I can see two teachers and 7 students in this IT room. If you feel the need for a block, please put a good reason why on this IP's talk page so that it can be alerted to the people in charge here. Wikipedia is a great resource, and I apologise if a very small minority is ruining it for the rest of us, and giving you and fellow admins a headache. --81.187.186.2 12:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I know how it feels how to be blocked as "collateral damage" due to the actions of others (it did not happen to me here, but my ISP was k-lined for several weeks in a major IRC network I frequented due to idiocy of others using that ISP - no, it's not AOL ;) Also I am not an admistrator, though every user (including you and me) has the ability to revert vandalism, warn users that vandalize and call persistent abuse to the attention of administrators (which I would intent to do if your or any other IP or user appears to be on a "vandalism spree"). Yes, it really is sad that a few unrestrainded people can spoil it for the majority, but there is little we can do from the outside. Regarding the implications of a block I can slightly relieve you - blocks do not disturb the passive (reading) use of Wikipedia and are usually (especially for shared IPs) short term, acting more as a cool-down period than as a prolonged block (most vandals get bored once they notice that they can vandalize no longer and elect to leave rather than to wait out the block). Though I must also warn those that think to abuse this system of prevention instead of punishment- repeated and long term abuse does lead to longer block times in general, from a couple of hours, days or weeks up to indefinitely long blocks in cases of persistent vandals. CharonX/talk 18:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy

Hi. You contributed to the discussion at Wikipedia:Protecting children's privacy. If you have the time and interest, I'm asking contributors to past a brief summary of their position on the proposal here, thanks. Herostratus 20:01, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Userspace porn galleries

See my comments on the wikipedians censorship talk page. Basically I proposed we create our own gallery, with the explicit reason for keeping track of attempts to censor. Perhaps we can keep track of other controversial images as well, and move it away from a pornography only gallery, lending more substance to our claim of keeping controversial images. Copysan 18:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Userpage advocacy

My opinion is this. Userpage advocacy, whether by plain text or userboxes, is something that many people who who write neutrally and productively don't object to. It's not any fear that this is an indicator of POV-pushing that leads to my distaste: that kind of behavior is dealt with regardless of userpage advocacy. It's definitely not a matter of my distaste for any particular point of view expressed. Rather, this encyclopedia actively aims towards neutral point of view on every article, and I think that userpage advocacy in general at best does nothing towards that cause, almost definitely harms the appearance of that goal, and likely undermines the achievement of that goal. Announcing an agenda on a userpage may lead to tension in negotiating with others of another POV, and it may lead to others outside the community to perceive a potential for bias. There is no reason that something that does nothing for the encyclopedia, but might harm, and in some cases demonstrably has harmed, our project is tolerable. Userboxes are more harmful, because they have been used before for active POV coordination and internal spamming. POV user categories are even more likely for this use, and serve absolutely no purpose I can imagine. The fact that these things have been controversial themselves is inescapable.

To get to your original question as to whether I would have objected, I'm not sure, since there are multiple ways to read that. The most offensive userbox was the one that supported POV userboxes and POV categories themselves. If anyone, even in plain text, advocated those, I would still have opposed. Plain text POV advocacy is still something I strongly disagree with, but I can't guarantee I would have opposed on that basis alone. I hope this satisfies your curiosity. :-) Dmcdevit·t 06:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Arbitration Clerk, FloNight 21:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia!

Hello CharonX! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Below are some recommended guidelines to facilitate your involvement. Happy Editing! -- —Centrx→talk • 02:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC) Getting Started Wikipedia Tutorial How to edit a page The five pillars of Wikipedia Manual of Style Be bold in editing How to write a great article WikiProjects Getting your info out there Cite your sources Neutral Point of View Point of View Verifiability Uploading images Image use policy Getting more Wikipedia rules Policy Library Getting Help New contributors' help page Where to ask a question Help Desk Frequently Asked Questions Getting along Wikiquette Civility Sign your posts Wikipedians Conflict resolution Getting technical Pages needing attention Peer review Utilities Village pump

Many of these links have useful information about writing and improving articles in this encyclopedia. —Centrx→talk • 02:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

neutrality on "The King's School Chester" page

[King's Chester]

People keep editing any negative comments regarding the school, no matter how valid the comments are. Mention of Barry Lewis (with cited news sources) keep being removed as well as mention of the 2006 "Muck-up Day" event

I feel that the wikipedia page on the school should be an accurate entry and not just an advert for the school.

Thank you

Thank You!

Thank you for your input at my RFA, which successfully closed at 58/2/0. I will think about the 10 questions and answers I had, and I hope that I will use the tools constructively and for the benefit of Wikipedia. If you ever need any help, don't be afraid to drop me a line. I'm here to help afterall! ‎8) -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 23:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thought you may be interested

• [1] Best wishes, Travb (talk) 17:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Cocktail-expand at MFD

I notice that you recommendations on the cocktails items at MFD. I realize that yes, {{cocktail-expand}} is a template at Category:Cocktails (expand) is a category, but together they function as something similar to a stub (I had actually listed these at WP:SFD first because of that). I was simply trying to keep the discussions together. First at SFD, then the cocktail-expand stuff at MFD, and now you're telling me to send one of them to TFD and one to CFD. I thought the whole point of SFD was so that stubs DIDN'T get split up that way, and these seems like the exact reason. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 02:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah, I admit I'm a bit of stickler when it comes to process. Would interlinking those XfDs work (like it's often done with Projects and associated templates)? CharonX/talk 15:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Apology

My apologies for my vulgar and uncivil remark on Atren's talkpage. It was completely uncalled for and inconsistent with my usual behavior. My wikistress level is quite high at the moment, but that is no excuse. It will not happen again. Jeffpw 05:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't sweat it. I just wanted to give you a little nudge to cool down a bit before you write stuff you'll really regret later. Cheers! CharonX/talk 13:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)