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Oxfordian theory

Hi Cal, It will go on my list to do after I look at my info on Cosima Wagner to help the guy getting that article to featured status. Fyi I've been through a period of disillusionment with Wikipedia trigerred by not liking various activities of the Chair or WMUK. Once the Arbcom case about him has completed, I might be a lot keener.--Peter cohen (talk) 23:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi I have now responded on the talk page.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:00, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello Cengime, somebody says "Shakespeare evidently knew", and you believe there is a real evidence for his suggestion. Such an approach is not quite correct in science, I am sorry. Moreover, maybe your editings are not quite good for the mainstream case. I am a little bit older than you, and I know the world quite well. Take care, --Zbrnajsem (talk) 10:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

We are not doing science. We are writing an encyclopedia. Articles should reflect what the reliable sources say even if editors disagree with the experts' judgement. - Cal Engime (talk) 17:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

The question is, given that "Shakespeare" is undergoing a paradigm shift, how do we determine what sources are "reliable"? For example James Shapiro's book *Contested Will* is cited multiple times in articles dealing with the authorship question, even though reviews have often shown the book to be faulty to the core and full of elementary mistakes. Just wondering when Wikipedia is going to start learning from its own mistakes.--BenJonson (talk) 16:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Closed case

Hello Cengime. These recent edits should probably be removed, since the case is closed. If you think these IPs are being operated by someone who was sanctioned by name in the WP:ARBSAQ case, or in its enforcement log, just file at WP:SPI and identify the sockmaster. Let me know if you do so. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 12:50, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Fixed my above diff. EdJohnston (talk) 19:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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Time sink

This editor User_talk:Dave_of_Maryland will never see reason, be aware that engaging with this editor and trying to reason them will most likely prove fruitless and a waste of time. They have a warped idea about science and their own beliefs. There is actually so much wrong with what they say that it's not worth the effort to try and convince them. see WP:SHUN. IRWolfie- (talk) 20:12, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For Molière authorship question :). Ironholds (talk) 22:22, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

It's a wonderful article; thanks for writing it :). Ironholds (talk) 08:13, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

For your excellent edits on the East West schism

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		Hey for real thank you your edits are much appreciated. Excellent work. LoveMonkey (talk) 02:21, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Infobox photo consensus discussion

Hi. Can you offer your opinion on which photo is more appropriate for the Infobox in the Scott Allie article in this discussion? You don't need to know anything about Allie; I'm contacting you because you've worked on matters pertaining to photography. I tried contacting lots of editors who work on comics-related articles, but every time I do so, we wind up with the sentiments split down the middle, and no clear consensus. I'm thinking perhaps that people who work on matters dealing with photography might be able to offer viewpoints that yield a consensus. Thank you. Nightscream (talk) 15:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Shakespeare sidebar discussion

I have started a discussion here about the Shakespeare sidebar template that has been added to several articles. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Tom Reedy (talk) 14:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Topic ban clarification

My latest topic ban was for "Shakespeare Authorship Question" - not all things Shakespeare. To quote the admin who banned me, I was:

"topic-banned from all edits regarding the Shakespeare authorship issue."

Editing the formatting of a Shakespeare play character list has nothing to do with the Authorship question.

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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Catechism of Saint Pius X, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Veverve (talk) 18:59, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

The article is about books which state the dates of their publication. Those books are the source. Please have a look in the books which are the subject of the article, the Compendio della dottrina cristiana and the Catechismo della dottrina cristiana, before once again restoring the former text which is no less unsourced, and also is false. That you found the false date "1908" already existing on Wikipedia is not a justification for repeatedly restoring it to the article in the face of what the sources clearly say. - Cal Engime (talk) 21:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

One last time: WP:BURDEN, Wikipedia:Citing sources. Veverve (talk) 07:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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The sources are clear. The book was published in 1905. You have not stated any reason for your belief that it was published in 1908. I do not consider this a legitimate dispute. - Cal Engime (talk) 12:32, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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John Neumann

Hello :) I saw you undid my edit on John Neumann where I removed the word "sadly" and said "It is not controversial that it was "sad" for these children to be deprived of elementary education." It's not about it being a controversial statement, but about it not being WP:IMPARTIAL. It's still an opinion even if it's one that most people agree with. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 03:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I am grateful for your message for your message and for this opportunity to further explain my reasons for reverting the edit. In the first place, it is not at all clear to me that the sentence indicates it was sad for the children to be unable to correctly speak either the language of the country, or their heritage language: it says, Neumann began to teach the children, whom he found sadly neglected and unable to speak either German or English correctly. A natural interpretation of this is that it was Neumann's subjective impression that the children were "sadly neglected," especially since it seems clear that this account of this period in Neumann's life is based on what he wrote in his diary. Second, even if this sentence should be taken as an assertion that it truly was sad for these children to lack a pastor or teacher, and be "unable to speak either German or English correctly", there is no contrary point of view in need of representation. Perhaps it is imaginable that some linguist would feel a tinge of regret that we did not get to see what pidgin these children would have spoken in the absence of elementary education, but if one reads what WP:IMPARTIAL actually says, instead of treating policy shortcuts as magic incantations that substitute for reasoning like people usually do, it is very clear that to consider it "sad" that children were unable to correctly speak their native language is not to "engage in a dispute," because that it was fortunate, or indifferent, that they were unable to do so is not a "relevant point of view." To say that "most people" believe that children should be taught to speak the language of their family and country correctly can only be taken as an ironic understatement. Some people, I suppose, due to a failure to grammatically construe the sentence correctly, would consider it rather opinionated to represent it as "sad" that the children were unable to "celebrate the sacraments," but the better-informed will easily see that this clause is governed by the word "began": Neumann began to teach the sadly neglected children, and he began to celebrate the sacraments. - Cal Engime (talk) 03:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)