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Question

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I noticed that you have an open slot for a student on your Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy and I am interested in joining but I’m not sure how to. Cooper22222 (talk) 02:10, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Cooper22222 Greetings. Thank you for interested in counter vandalism. lease note that there are many editors who were interested in counter vandalism course and abundant the program mid way due to lack of anticipation of the amount of efforts/time needed in reading the program material, doing assigned "homework" and exams requirements . The program has no timeline set, as the editor would progress through the course work at their own time. Generally, it would take an editor 1.5-2 months to finish the course. So do prepare yourself for lots of reading and homework if you intend to proceed with the program. As of today, you have edited 149 mainspace - see HERE and the requirement for a user to enroll into the program is that (1) the user has contributed at least 200 edits to MAINSPACE and (2) a good contributor (no vandalism edits , disruptive edits or have not been blocked in last 6 months). Kindly come back if you are still interested after you have contributed to at least 200 mainspace edits, and also include the reason why you are interested in the program and become a vandal fighter in Wikipedia. Let me know if anything else I could help. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Ready for review

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Please have another look at Draft:List of Latvian sculptors. Thank you ! User:Abune (talk) 20:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Abune It has been reviewed. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Create Draft:2019 Ceres–Negros F.C. season

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Good day, Please create the 2019 Ceres–Negros season for 2019 since the philippines football league season started already. Thank you— Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcolacson (talk • contribs) 11:33, June 25, 2019 (UTC)

Hi Marcolacso, Greetings. You need to provide at least 3 independent, reliable sources to support the content claimed for verification. Please note official website, user generated sites, sites associated with the subject, interview and etc can NOT be used to demonstrate the notability requirements needed. Source from major newspapers are good sources. Once you have done that then pls click the submit button. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:46, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

message moved from User:CASSIOPEIA

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You are reverting facts to blatant LIES. Elwin Soto lost his 3rd fight to Danny Andujo, yet his article shows him with a victory. Please stop vandalizing the truth under the guise of lies. You certainly did create new content with your very active imagination. You should keep what you want to be true but isn't in a sandbox as there should be no room for fan fiction in professional fighter's record. Shame on you. You don't deserve any privileges to ban my editing abilities should I go into a just edit war. Before you go around reverting things that "appear" to be false, you should spend a few seconds to click Soto's boxrec link to confirm the edits rather than claiming vandalism without a shred of knowledge. You are the true vandal. CaPslOcksBroKEn (talk) 11:41, 22 June 2019 (UTC) moved to talk page ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Info has been reverted and corrected. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

July events from Women in Red!

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please stop

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Please don't use my bot's talk page to debug huggle. Every time you write to that page the bot gets halted and I have to log out of this account and log in to the bot account to clear the halt that your debugging caused. If the bot is not broken, please don't halt it.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:56, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Trappist the monk Good day. The message is not mean for you but for an IP editor. Huggle seemed to log to different line (diff editor). My apologies for the inconvenient caused. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 01:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

You are doing it again. Stop. If the tool is broken, fix the damn tool and leave my bot's talk page alone. If you can't fix the tool, get someone who can to fix it. Stop using tool until it is fixed or you learn how to use it properly.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:15, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Trappist the monk Greetings. I just revert and place warning on user page. I didt not trying to write any or debug anything in Huggle. Maybe there is a bug somewhere in Huggle. I am not sure how to check it or who to report to. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:18, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Then stop using the tool until you learn how to report bugs or to use it properly. Do not disrupt my bot. Find something else to do.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Trappist the monk I am not trying to disturb you and trying to find vandalism - I have reported to Wikipedia:Huggle/Feedback - problem in Huggle. I am not technical and cant help or provide more info then this. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:29, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Trappist the monk I had uninstalled Huggle 3.4.4, and installed the newest version 3.4.9 where as advised by Huggle helper that this version fixed tens bugs of the older version. I hope this will solve the issue. I did not mean to disturb your bot as I am one of the counter vandalism trainer at CUVA and no reason for me to do so. If the problem still exist, pls let me know so I could inform Huggle helper. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:49, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: Well you can just log in to your bot's account from another browser and keep logged in that account. Masum Reza📞 05:35, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of a page that I've created

Latest comment: 4 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

Good day @CASSIOPEIA:, I need a twofold help:

  1. I wish to delete the disambiguation page Pizzarotti, and need the help of an user with the necessary rights
  2. I don't know if for WP policies it can more conveniently replaced by a Template:Distinguish, Template:other uses, or nothing at all.

Thanks for your help, time and point of view. Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 22:44, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Micheledisaveriosp - ref [1]
May I know why you want to delete the page? CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Good morning Cassiopea, and thank you for your answer. I have just reverted my edit, given that in the sane city (Parma) there a politician and a company sharing the same word "Pizzarotti", but there is no evidence of any kind of relation among them. So, reviewing my first edit, I thought it would be more convenient to avoid it at all, or to replace it with a different template, as I previously concerned.--Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 14:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Micheledisaveriosp So what are saying here? are you going to create a page for the politician? or there is already an existing page for the politician in Wikipedia. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 14:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi CASSIOPEIA, the articles are Impresa Pizzarotti and Federico Pizzarotti. Both of them were in the disambiguation page that I have deleted. I thought to use the template:distinguish or template:other uses in the first one, in order to disambiguate the other.Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 13:32, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Micheledisaveriosp Hi, As per this -1 and this-2, you didnt not create the disambuation page of Pizzarotti. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Bug in anti-vandalism script?

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Hi there, I just wanted to bring this to your attention in case you're not already aware. It appears that you appropriately warned a user at User talk:2001:8003:2E16:3700:3D54:CEC:B017:3949, but there are two problems: 1) you didn't undo their edit; and 2) the page you linked on their talk page is Alexander+Volkanovski instead of Alexander Volkanovski. I don't know what script you use to fight vandalism, but I've just fixed the article, so it's all good. :) —LOL T/C 17:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

LOL Greetings. In Huggle, you would warn editor without reverting the edit in the case the revert has been done by other editor but no warning is made. It has been 3 times warned a "bot" instead. I was told there is version 3.4.9 but in Huggle is stated the newest is 3.4.8. There is no button to upgrade so I guess I just restall the program instead. Thank you very much for send me the info above. Appreciate it. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
No problem; I try to help where I can. In this case, nobody edited the article for over two days, so I felt that this was a bit strange. I'm not sure what you mean by "It has been 3 times warned a 'bot' instead" but don't worry about it—I hope the reinstallation solved the problem. Happy editing! —LOL T/C 04:19, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
LOL They finally released 3.4.9 which this version had fixed 10+ bugs, and I have installed it . Hope the issue will be sloved the issue. Thanks again for helping and send info on my talk page. Appreciate it. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:52, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

2019 in UFC page

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Hello CASSIOPEIA. I probably should have first mentioned it on the article's talk page, but I removed the bonus section from the omni-list page for the current year. For me, it seemed to make the page much harder to read. If you feel that the information is pertinent to the article, feel free to re-add. Cheers! Ppt1973 (talk) 11:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Ppt1973 Hi , Thank you for informing. I do think it is relevent to the subject as the info should be part of what happen in UFC 2019. I will revert it back to have PoN and FoN in the table. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 11:46, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Help

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Hello. Can you show me how to create a new article?Fdery (talk) 01:24, 27 June 2019 (UTC)b

Fdery Greetings and thank you for the question above. First of all, pls see WP:GOLDENRULE for the requirements needed to create an article. Secondly, please read WP:Your First Article on how to write an article. Lastly see referencing on how to provide inline citation. Pls note sources from home page, official website, user generated sites, interviews, press releases and etc can NOT be used to contribute/demonstrate the notability requirements needed. Let me know if anything else I could help. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:58, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


References - Draft:Kapuhuna

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Hi Cass, I wanted to ask about my submission on Kapuhuna, this doesn't make it easy given that I couldn't find anything citable and yet I believe that it is highly improper that the only citable thing I could find on it was an old role playing game book that mentions it as a sort of "grotesque magic", which is completely false and in my opinion a misrepresentation of that language and culture of Hawaii.

As of yet, if anyone looks it up all they will find is the company and the book. But my knowledge is from my memory. What kind of references might be possible in this circumstance? Thank you for your generosity and help in this matter. Zero1Sky (talk) 07:52, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Zero1Sky Greetings. If you would not find anything to cite (no sources) that means the subject is not notable and it would not merit a page in Wikipedia. We need significant coverage of independent, reliable published sources for verification. We could not accept anything which would not be verifiable. Please read WP:GOLDENRULE and WP:Your First Article for further information. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:58, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

CVU Academy

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Hi there. I saw that you have an open training spot at WP:CVUA. I'm interested in joining the Counter-Vandalism Academy to improve my skills in this area - I've been reverting obvious vandalism and nonconstructive editing for a while but I would like to learn more about detecting sneaky vandalism & WP policy violations and using special tools. My time zone is EDT (UTC - 04:00), but I keep very irregular hours because of my job. Thanks, SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

SpicyMilkBoy Greetings. Pls have a look the "Goals" and "Syllabus" sections below to understand the requirements needed at the end of the course in order to graduate from CVSCHOOL.

Goals

If you're new and/or inexperienced, before embarking on a Counter-Vandalism training programme, you should be able to demonstrate that you have already mastered the basic principles of editing the encyclopedia and contributed at least 200 edits to MAINSPACE. If you have previously been warned or requested to follow guidelines, you should have demonstrated that you have addressed these issues.

When you have shown through training that you have mastered the principles of Counter-Vandalism and can apply them with accuracy, and can communicate correctly and effectively with new users of all kinds you may be able to apply for permission to use restricted tools, such as, for example Rollback, and STiki that will enable you to semi-automate the process, while understanding that speed alone is not essential - the target is accuracy. When you have achieved these goals, you can display the {{User CVU0-en}} userbox on your user page.

Syllabus

Competency Fail Pass
Knowledge and Understanding of Concepts

Able to correctly define and describe:

  • Cannot describe these concepts at a comprehensible level.
  • Unable to differentiate the difference between vandalism and good faith edits
  • Does not understand the key purpose of reverting vandalism
  • Can concisely and elaborately describe each of these concepts.
  • Can describe the proper use of warning templates and how to correctly make an AIV submission.
Critical Thinking

Able to review historical reversions and identify whether such reversion were correctly categorized

Correctly assessed fewer than 85% of the examples provided by their instructor. Correctly assessed at least 85% of the examples provided by their instructor.
Communication

Able to effectively communicate with other editors regarding reversions

Communicates inconsistently with editors via talk page comments or in response to editors who question or challenge their reversions. Communicates in a polite and professional manner and avoids biting other editors and harsh comments.
Application

Effectively applies the concepts and tools of vandalism fighting in a productive and proficient manner.

  • Cannot consistently revert vandalized pages correctly.
  • Is inconsistent in use of warning on user talk pages or uses incorrect warning templates
  • Has reverted fewer than 50 instances of vandalism in the two weeks prior to graduation – or – has reverted more than 50 instances of vandalism with a high degree of incorrect reversions.
  • Demonstrates proficiency in performing reversions, either manually or with a tool (Twinkle, etc.).
  • Consistently leaves the correct messages on vandal’s talk page explaining the reversion, and is able to further explain the vandal their reasoning behind the reversion if prompted.
  • Has accurately reverted at least 50 instances of vandalism in the two weeks prior to graduation.


Please note that there are many editors who were interested in counter vandalism course and abundant the program mid way due to lack of anticipation of the amount of efforts/time needed in reading the program material, doing assigned "homework" and exams requirements . The program has no timeline set, as the editor would progress through the course work at their own time. Generally, it would take an editor 1.5-2 months to finish the course. So do prepare yourself for lots of reading and homework if you intend to proceed with the program then please let me know and do indicate the reasons of your interest in counter vandalism. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk)
Thank you for the information. I've reviewed the syllabus and I'm aware of the time commitment for the course. I plan to be a long-term contributor to Wikipedia and I think this course would be an excellent way to improve my anti-vandalism skills and my knowledge of WP guidelines. As I mentioned before, I would especially like to gain experience in dealing with subtle vandalism, trolling, and WP policy violations. Thanks, SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 15:32, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
SpicyMilkBoy Good day. I set up assignment 1 for you HERE. Please make sure you enable WP:Twinkle and know how to provide hist diff - see here [[ikipedia:Simplest diff guide[edit source]]. Once you have done the assignment and would like to get it review then ping me on the sub page (at the end of the assignment). I will usually review the assignment a day after you ping me. Do raise any questions of the review if there are any, if not and you are ready to proceed to next assignment then let me know and I will post it accordingly. One thing to note - very important - Do NOT revert more than 3 times within 24 hours on the same page if the edit you reverted are NOT considered blatantly vandalism for you will be blocked. Please bear in mind. Welcome to CUVA. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Canada opinion polling

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Hi, Would it be appropriate to add the sub-national polling to "Opinion polling in the 2019 Canadian federal election" as a new section?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mw843 (talk • contribs) 23:11, June 27, 2019 (UTC)

Mw843 Greetings and thank you for the question. You can add sub national polling in the draft article for major regions. The draft needs independent, reliable sources to support the content claimed, sources from the newspapers would considered good sources. You need to provide the sources in inline citation instead attached the PFD on cells of the tables. Please visit referencing for info and instruction on how to provide sources/inline citations and you can use "horizontal" Template:Cite Web template for sources from the internet. You can create a column on the far right of the table labelled "Ref." to house the inline citation references/sources there. Do pop back here if you need refuter assistance. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:59, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Draft:2019–20 Richmond Spiders men's basketball team

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I've added a number of references and some additional content to Draft:2019–20 Richmond Spiders men's basketball team if you wouldn't mind giving it another look. Much appreciated! WildCowboy (talk) 14:49, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

WildCowboy Good day. Thank you for providing sources/inline citation. Done reveiw - your page is here - 2019–20 Richmond Spiders men's basketball team. Thank you for your contribution. Happy editing. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! WildCowboy (talk) 03:27, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
WildCowboy You are welcome and thank you for your contribution. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:46, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Tracey Ullman Takes on New York

Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

The article you moved back to draft space was cut/pasted as a new article in mainspace. I've just requested an A11 CSD on the mainspace article. The draft is where you left it Draft:Tracey Ullman Takes on New York. Orville1974talk 00:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Never mind, we got it figured out. The editor duplicated a 10-year old article twice attempting to rename it (cut/paste). Both of the new duplicates have been removed and the original article is intact. Orville1974talk 01:51, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Orville1974 Good day. Thank you for informing and good to know all is good now. Have a wonderful day. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:51, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Improper editing, or just a friendly hello?

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hello, you left me this 10-points list on MMA in general and UFC 239 specifically. I read through it to see what it was you felt I should have done differently. I couldn't find anything specific, so I thought I'd ask instead. Did you feel I had edited/added something in an improper manner?

Vattav (talk) 07:17, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Vattav Good day. The answer is both. for UFC 239 - see [2] no flag icon should be placed (in event fight card or fighter page fight record and infobox), and your edits have been reverted by other mma editor. I notice you edited some mma related articles, so I send you the info so you may know what things work here. Let me know if anything I could assist further. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Tere Bin Kive

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Help Article tere bin kive add information thank you MasoomBaccha (talk) 08:18, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

MasoomBaccha, Good day. the page has been reviewed. Not sure what help you needed. Pls specify. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 08:26, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Operation Stranglehold Afd

Latest comment: 4 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Many thanks for the help on my first ever Afd.Georgejdorner (talk) 15:37, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Georgejdorner Good day. You are welcome. Btw, the article has been redirect to Operation Raindance - see HERE. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:39, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
So I saw, and thus the gratitude.Georgejdorner (talk) 16:50, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Georgejdorner, We the Wikipedians collaborate and help each other for one of he greatest project in the world to provide free online knowledge to whom want to know and learn. Thank you for your contribution. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 01:34, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

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Hello Cassiopeia,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.

QUALITY of REVIEWING

Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR.

Backlog

The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever.

Move to draft

NPR is triage, it is not a clean up clinic. This move feature is not limited to bios so you may have to slightly re-edit the text in the template before you save the move. Anything that is not fit for mainspace but which might have some promise can be draftified - particularly very poor English and machine and other low quality translations.

Notifying users

Remember to use the message feature if you are just tagging an article for maintenance rather than deletion. Otherwise articles are likely to remain perma-tagged. Many creators are SPA and have no intention of returning to Wikipedia. Use the feature too for leaving a friendly note note for the author of a first article you found well made or interesting. Many have told us they find such comments particularly welcoming and encouraging.

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Sheldon Rampton

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Awhile back I asked you for advice about how to provide citations for the biography of myself that appears in Wikipedia. Following your suggestion, I've come up with some citations. In view of Wikipedia's COI policy, I don't want to edit the article directly, so I've created a temporary page at User:Sheldon Rampton/updated bio with my proposed changes. I've also provided some explanation of the changes at Talk:Sheldon_Rampton. If you feel they're appropriate, you can just paste the version I've created to replace the current encyclopedia version.

In addition to providing citations, I've expanded the final paragraph with a few sentences describing my life since 2009. The main reason I think this is appropriate is that I have not written any books or other articles for publication since 2009. I currently work as a software engineer, not as a writer or journalist, so an article that ends with my career at the Center for Media and Democracy seems incomplete. However, I'll defer to your judgment and the judgment of other Wikipedians with regard to how the article should be written. If you have any questions, I can be reached at User talk:Sheldon Rampton. Cheers!

--Sheldon Rampton (talk) 20:18, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

I happened to see this, and decided to copy/paste it myself, 100% as it seems legitimate. I don't think I offended either of you, though--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 06:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Subject: Double nationality edit in the article Brian Ortega

Latest comment: 4 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

According to American and Mexican constitutions, Brian Ortega is Mexican by law; so he posses double nationality by birth, because both his parents are Mexican ("Mexicans by birth are: ...persons born abroad from a Mexican Citizen born in Mexico", Article 30th).

I am not vandalizing no information. I'm doing the opposite, trying to broaden the data Wikipedia can offer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.239.91.185 (talk) 18:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

177.239.91.185, We need source to support the claimed and secondly, my understand a person who born in US of Mexican parents need to registered to the citizenship of Mexico even if the law granted the status by birth and if not how would Mexican government know of such individual existed. If you would provide independent reliable source specifically status Ortega is also a Mexican then you are welcome to add the info (supported by source). Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 01:04, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
So you're say: "To my understand a person who born in US of Mexican parents need to registered to the citizenship of Mexico even if the law granted the status by birth and if not how would Mexican government know of such individual existed"; well, your "understand" is wrong; there's no need to "registered to the citizenship of Mexico", whatever you mean with that. Read again the American and Mexican constitutions, please. Please don't make up information, especially about the constitutive laws of a country, and use that as excuse to impugn the truth and to falsely accuse me of "vandalizing" Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.239.91.185 (talk) 23:18, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
177.239.91.185 You can info the info as long as citation (source indicated he is also a Mexican). CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I cited the sources. I cited many sources that shows Ortega's story, from his parents migrating from Mexico. Also cited the laws that granted you, immediately and by birth, the Mexican nationality, if at least one of your parents has that nationality. In fact, I cited several sources, from many different websites. Check up the cite 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11. I don't know why are you doing this, but it makes no sense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.239.91.185 (talk) 12:53, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
177.239.91.185 You added the info on the infobox, then cite the source there for mma fighter infobox info is taken from Sherdog as per Wikipedia MMA guidelines and additional info which cant be found on sherdo.com will need to be cited such as "purple belt i BJJ" & etc as there is no such info from Sherdog.com mma fighter page. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:13, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #371

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • More work on preparing the technical setup for Wikidata Bridge development
    • Implement Feature Flag for Wikidata Bridge (phab:T225935)
    • Discuss the best way to connect template parameter to corresponding Wikidata property (phab:T224832)
    • Improve the documentation for Wikibase sites setup (phab:T218282)
    • Prepare the last steps for reading from new term store implementation (phab:T225603) according to the migration plan (phab:T221765)
    • Fixed a bug and reduced significantly the amount of addUsagesForPage jobs in our jobs queue (phab:T205045)
    • Removed feature flag for the bugfix for wbeditentity setting aliases to empty array (phab:T223305)
    • Decreased EntityUsageTable addUsage batch size to 100 (phab:T225500)
    • Configured query service lag for Wikidata maxlag (phab:T222193)
    • Helped fixing an issue with moving files on Commons (phab:T226672)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

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21:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Vietnam Friendship Village edit

Latest comment: 4 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Cassiopeia,

I'm on the board of the Vietnam Friendship Village Project USA, and have been working with a student at Niagara University (where I'm a professor) to restructure and continue to develop the Vietnam Friendship Village Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Friendship_Village). In the coming days, and then again in November (when another student finishes his additions to the content), I'd like to delete the existing Wikipedia content for the page and replace it with our overhauled content. How do I go about doing that in a way that won't lead to the new content being rejected?

Thanks,

Joe Little

Joseph.little (talk) 13:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Joseph.little, Good day. Is the creator of the page Vietnam Friendship Village, User:Emmartyn, is the student you have been working with at Niagara University that you mentioned above? CASSIOPEIA(talk) 13:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Cassiopeia,
No, no one knows who Emmartyn is. That person is not on our board of directors and is not one of the students working with me. It looks like the person created the Wikipedia content in 2007. What would be the next steps in my being able to revise the page? Thanks for your assistance.
Joseph.little (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Joseph.little, Good day, may I know the Wikipedia user names, if they have been registered, of the two students/any parties would involve, you have worked/are going to work with for this project which you intent to rework the content as I need all hands onboard so I could advise all the involved parties in one setting (on same message). Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:56, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi again, Cassiopeia, the students will be submitting their drafts to me, which I'll edit and then publish to Wikpedia. At least, that's been the plan. So the only username that will be deleting the existing content and replacing it with a more structured and developed entry, will be mine. Thanks.
Joseph.little (talk) 12:38, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Joseph.little, OK thank you. First of all and editors can edit/change the content of any Wikipedia articles as long as they adhere to Wikipeida guidelines such as provide source to support the content claimed for verification. However, as you are the board of the Vietnam Friendship Village Project, that means you have a conflict of interest (COI) and should not directly edit the effected page for it is hard for editor with COI to write the article in completely neutral point of view. What you could do is to Wikipedia:Edit requests on the article talk page by providing the sources (sources need to be both independent and reliable such as from major newspaper or reputable journals) and indicating what need to be added/changed for any interest editors to make the edit in the article. Since the students you will work with are your associates, that would make them have COI as well. Let me know anything else I could help. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:56, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

CVUA

Latest comment: 4 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Cassiopeia,
I did the CVUA training with Operator873 a few months ago. I feel I have forgotten some of the material he has taught me. Because he's on Wikibreak, are you available to refresh my memory on the material of the course? Interstellarity T 🌟 14:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Interstellarity good day. May I know the link for the CUVA program so I would know a little more of what you have learnt and what do you need me to help you on? Cheers.14:51, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
See here. Can you please check my edits so you know what to refresh my memory on? Interstellarity T 🌟 15:01, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
You forgot to sign your post. Interstellarity T 🌟 15:02, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Interstellarity Thank you for the link. Do you have any specific questions or any topics you want to review? Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:11, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA, No I don't have any. Interstellarity T 🌟 15:50, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Interstellarity You had mentioned if I could refresh you on the course material; however you dont have any questions. I am a little preplex on how to assist you. If you could be a little bit more specific or when you have a question regarding an edit then let me know. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:18, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
CASSIOPEIA, Sorry about that. Interstellarity T 🌟 11:30, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Page patrolling

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Dear, I patrol new pages from this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPages but they are universal.  how do I filter articles are from India? so that I can easily review.thank you Sunilbutolia (talk) 21:56, 2 July 2019 (UTC)sunilbutolia

Sunilbutolia Greetings. May you explain what you mean by "I patrol" and "I can easily review" (You meant you are a reviewer/pattroller for new page?). Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 06:48, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft:List of Perth Glory FC players (1–49 appearances)

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hello CASSIOPEIA. I know most of these A-League player appearances articles are not accurate and has no citations. However, most of these articles look the exact same and it has to represent something.

It's hard making it look like List of Arsenal F.C. players

FastCube (talk) 09:26, 4 July 2019 (UTC)FastCube

FastCube G'day. It is not hard as there are many players do have a page in Wikipedia thus should be able to find independent, reliable sources for verification in additional Perth Glory FC is one of A League teams and A League in Australia do get a lot of coverage in the newspapers. What you could do is to add additional column at the far right for "Ref" so you may include inline citation to indicate they are actually Perth Glory FC player (current and past) and secondly rename the title to 'List of Perth Glory FC players" (I can rename for you if you need). - See example of List of current UFC fighters, and you could add "note/key" to indicate appearances/goal as per Soccerway.com and update it accordingly as info changes. Add on the WP:LEAD section and some background of Perth Glory FC with citations. Hope this help and let me know if anything else I could help. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Outline of Catholic canon law

Latest comment: 4 years ago32 comments4 people in discussion

I am hoping you have the time to reconsider your recent page move of "User:CanonLawJunkie/Outline of Catholic canon law"--I think the article is developed enough as is for article space. Because it is an outline-style article of an existing topic already established to be notable such as Canon law of the Catholic Church, it does not need sources and citations to demonstrate notability. Also you can compare it to Outline of the Catholic ecumenical councils or any of the other outlines to see what the general practice is already on these articles.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 16:20, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Epiphyllumlover Greetings. All articles (including stand alone list articles) do need significant coverage sources from published independent, reliable sources as per Wikipedia notability and verification guidelines. It is easy for you to provide inline citations as many of the sub-subjects have pages in Wikipedia. Pls see WP:GOLDENRULE and WP:BURDEN. As all of us are volunteers and we are working 24/7 to either improve existing articles or nominate them for delete to achieve qualified article in Wikipedia - pls WP:OSE/ For those articles which are not notable would be nominated for deletion in regardless how long it has been existed in Wikipedia. Let me know if anything else I could help. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:49, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
But Outline of trigonometry, Outline of biochemistry, Outline of heresies in the Catholic Church, Outline of theology, Outline of the creation–evolution controversy, Outline of the Bahá'í Faith, Outline of Joseph Smith, Outline of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Outline of Protestantism, and Outline of religion all have no references. Why not the same here?--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 16:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
I have to agree, outlines by definition are pretty much just lists of links for related articles, they're a navigation tool more than anything.★Trekker (talk) 16:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
This was a bad call, and I've reverted your page move. Outlines aren't required to have references any more than the nav box at the top of the page is required to have references. It's a navigational aid, like disambiguation pages or indices, not an article or standalone list. If you seriously think this page won't survive AfD you should nominate it, but I doubt consensus will be to delete. Wugapodes [thɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 20:40, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@Wugapodes, Epiphyllumlover, and *Treke:, If outline mentioned serve as navigation, then a navigation of the outline page should be created instead of an article. Article should be sourced and verified and that is the code guidelines and content policy of Wikipedia. Do note out of 5 billions articles in Wikipedia there are about 1/5 of them are low quality and we the editors are working 24/7 to either improve the article or AfD it as many articles have come to interested editors to do so since we are all volunteers there - pls see WP:OSE. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
From WP:OSE: This essay is not a standard reply that can be hurled against anyone you disagree with who has made a reference to how something is done somewhere else. Though a lot of Wikipedia's styles are codified in policy, to a large extent minor details are not. In cases such as these, an "other stuff exists"–type of argument or rationale may provide the necessary precedent for style and phraseology. Wugapodes [thɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 03:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@Wugapodes: I refer to Wikipedia content policy, article should have have sources as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and content should be verifiable that is the Wikipedia:Core content policies. For any article does not meet notability, they might/will nominate AfD not matter how long the article existed in the mian space in Wikipedia but a truly notable article that meet the Wikipedia will remain in Wikipedia for good. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Again, it's a list of articles for the sake of navigation, you seem to ignore that this format is standard for outlines. If you don't like it maybe you need to take that up on a larger scale. I have no real horse in this race since I ended up in this discussion by pure chance, but in my opinion picking this specific outline as "unfit for mainspace" when it's exactly like every other outline I've ever seen seems very odd. And again, individual notability only refers to standalone articles and lists, this is not one of those. This is a navigational page, and no, I don't agree that you can't replace every single outline with a navigational box, they're different types of tools.★Trekker (talk) 10:32, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi *Treker, Stand alone list do need sources just like any other article - see WP:STAND unless it is a navigation in a Template format - see Template:Navbox. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 12:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
I didn't deny that, my point is that outlines are not standalone lists.★Trekker (talk) 12:14, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi *Treker If it is not a stand alone list then the are article unless it is a disambiguation then it does not need sources. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I'm a little lost to as what you mean with: If it is not a stand alone list then the are article.★Trekker (talk) 07:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Even if they were stand-alone lists, Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists says obviously appropriate material, such as the inclusion of Apple in the List of fruits, does not require an inline citation. So again, unless you believe a specific item is not fit for inclusion, the lack of references on an outline page is not a reason to exclude it from mainspace. Wugapodes [thɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 21:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
@Wugapodes: Stand alone list accept group sources. So sources are still needed just like any articles. Another option is that you would use "See also" section to include related articles in Wikipedia if you wish. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:01, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Inline citation Technically, if an article contains none of these four types of material, then it is not required by any policy to name any sources at all, either as inline citations or as general references. You are simply wrong, no policy has a blanket requirement that articles have any sources. WP:N does not require an article cite sources to show notability, in fact, it explicitly says notability is based on whether sources exist not whether they are cited. WP:V says that an article is required to cite a source if a statement fits one of four criteria. Please actually read the policies you are citing because we have spent two days trying to explain to you that you are applying policies incorrectly. Despite providing you with verbatim quotes from policies you still seem to not get the point.
Going forward, if you see an outline that cites no sources, at most you should add an {{unreferenced}} tag. If you see a specific item in the list that you do not believe is obviously appropriate for inclusion, add a {{citation needed}} tag to that item or remove that specific item. Otherwise you should leave it alone. Our policies do not support you removing outlines or any list from mainspace simply because there are no references. WP:LISTVERIFY is explicit in saying that lists do not need references if they do not make claims that fall under those 4 criteria. Do not remove outlines from mainspace for the reasons you moved Outline of Catholic canon law. Wugapodes [thɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 04:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
@Wugapodes: pls note for new page that does not have sources we "can" move the page to draft page for the creator to add source - see WP:NPPDRAFT and WP:PROVEIT / WP:BURDEN and pls read Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. After all Wikipedia an an enclyopedia and pls see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk)
In bold, at the bottom of Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything: This is NOT a Wikipedia policy or guideline; please defer to such in cases of inconsistency with this page. In fact, if you read one of the highlighted words it says "generally" because one of the exceptions is in the actual policy pages I have repeatedly cited to you. Please stop linking to random pages hoping they support your point and actually read them. Wugapodes [thɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 18:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
@Wugapodes: Yes it is not Wikipedia policy page but it is a summary of what Wikipedia notability and content policy info. The rest of the links I provide are guidelines and verifiablity - WP:PROVEIT is the content policy for significant coverage form indepenent, reliable sources are needed for a notable article and that is the bottom line. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 00:59, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I also linked to them. I suggest you read what I wrote. Wugapodes [thɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 01:00, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
@Wugapodes: Thank you and same to you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 01:17, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Cassiopeia, Thank you for linking to WP:STAND, from that page it states that "statements should be sourced where they appear"--some outline article contain statements. But since this one does not, this implies that the article in question does not require sourcing. Additionally, it does not contain any of the ones on this list, although this consideration is beside the point for this situation. Wikipedia:Inline_citation#When_you_must_use_inline_citationsEpiphyllumlover (talk) 05:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Epiphyllumlover It might not need all inline citation but pls note article in Wikipedia need source to verify as this is the content policy - see Wikipedia:Verifiability. thank you. Any article could not support by independent source could subject to be nominated for deletion and to ensure it stays in Wikipedia sources are needed. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:44, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I think I was talking past you, because your comment above refers to the "four kinds of material" issue. Rather, I meant the policy exempts the article from needing all/any sort of sources. From WP:STAND: "This means statements should be sourced where they appear, and they must provide inline citations if they contain any of the four kinds of material absolutely required to have citations." implies that a lack of statements means sourcing is unnecessary. This particular outline lacks statements, and therefore, it is not possible to source statements where they appear because there are none.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 06:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Epiphyllumlover If there are no sources than it would/might nominate for deletion in the future as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it needs sources to WP:PROVEIT the info. A disamb page/navigation template is OK without source or info could place under "see also section" of related articles. If those articles in the outline page has not sources then the also would/might nominate for deletion in the future as articles/stand alone list needs sources for verification. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:48, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying, but the WP:STAND policy only requires references for statements--no statements = no references needed. This article has no statements.≠ I am hoping you can respond to this assertion to avoid the issue of talking past each other--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 15:30, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Epiphyllumlover Then it should not be as an article or stand alone list but put it in navigation template and place it on the related article. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 01:31, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I can see why a template would be preferable for some of the articles I listed in the 16:11, 27 June 2019 comment above. However, the larger ones would be unwieldy; the template too large. What should be done if the template would be too large to be practical?--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 03:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Epiphyllumlover, I dont know what is the size limit for nav template can house; however, see example UFC 212 (at the bottom of the page), it has 483 events (outline items), and growing, in it which is a lot bigger than Outline of Catholic canon law listed outline and 2 nav templates could be insert in one article. Epiphyllumlover See nag template inserted to related articles - List of current UFC fighters, 2019 in UFC.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:44, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Your example involves a topic that is less cognitively demanding. I wouldn't want to read a template that large if they involved technical terminology. In theory one could split an outline into multiple templates, but that seems to be forcing the issue of content beneath that of space. This seems unfair to the larger topics. To me even Template:Catholic_Church_footer is too big.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 17:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Epiphyllumlover, The example I show is just to let you know template would hold up to that size since you were concern if the size would be a problem and it has nothing to do with cognitive issues. Do note the template can have the option to "show" or "hide" the template. In addition reader could have glance at the outline of the subject in every related article also the issue is that "outline" is not an article and would/might subject for nomination for deletion. The Template:Catholic Church footer template is not to big or you would split them into 2 templates by talking out "Organisation Hierarchy Canon law Laity Precedence By country" to another template as one article would house two template. One template could be "show" the outlined items and the other could "hide" status. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:10, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I see I misunderstood you there with respect to size. These more complicated templates may not display well on mobile devices; they may display as uncollapsed all the way. Moreover, the font size is smaller than an article. This is okay for some, but could discourage more extended use; font size preferences on browsers on the readers will probably reflect what is appropriate for articles rather than an article turned into a template. Possibly the best solution for these would be to have both a template and an article, although over time one would probably be neglected.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 03:28, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Epiphyllumlover,I do not know how it would display on mobile devices as I dont edit on mobile often (I like big screen) or two screens connected for I open many tabs and programs when I work. You could try to add the Template:Catholic_Church_footer on one of the related article and check on your mobile and have a look. The bottom line is that nag template would be convenience and serve more efficiently to reader where they could (1) search and (2) navigate the related article and (3) understand how/where each topics (subject/outliner) belong in a group in "horizontal tree" format instead of one need to go back to the "outlined article" to find info every time plus the "outlined would/might be deleted". It is normal and effective way to use nag template as Wikipedia pages do use that for the same reason - see Wikipedia:Manual of Style there are 3 nag templates (pls click "show") at the bottom and of the page. Cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 04:02, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Ionnish Patseas

Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I was making a translation of an greek language page of greek wikipeida of Ionnis Patseas. Which had the same reliable sources but then too you rejected it can you please explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabhash987 (talk • contribs) 10:11, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Prabhash987 Greetings. Please note that each Wikipedia sister sites (different langugues) operate independently from each other. An article is acceptable in Greek Wikipedia might not be accepted in English Wikipedia based on the notability guidelines. Pls see the requirement for WP:NBASKETBALL.Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 11:35, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
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