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Sam Smith

Hi Burvegas. Don't worry. You are not in any trouble here but I do want to ask you to be a bit more careful when editing. When you edited Sam Smith you changed some spellings from UK English to US English. That is not appropriate for that particular article as it uses UK English. Articles can use either but we should be consistent within each article. Normally we use US English for articles about North American subjects and UK English for articles about British subjects. You are also changing the quote styles. That's not necessary, and it must be a lot of work, so I recommend not to do that. Finally, you changed some gender pronouns. I assume that was a mistake. Smith uses they/them pronouns so the grammar was correct before. I've put the article back to the way it was before but please don't be discouraged. Wikipedia is complicated and it is normal to make a few mistakes when getting started. DanielRigal (talk) 14:43, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

• A couple of additional things to note from the WP:Manual of Style. First, logical quotation is the accepted style for quotation marks in all articles, regardless of the variety of English. This means punctuation goes inside the quotation marks only if it is part of the quotation. Second, make sure to use straight quotation marks, not the angled or styled quotation marks, in articles. That may not look right, but it helps Wikipedia users who use screen readers. —C.Fred (talk) 15:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

March 2023

I have reverted your edits to Kay Parker because they changed the dates away from the preferred date format. Parker was British, so the British date format—day month year—should be used in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 11:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Please do not use styles that are nonstandard, unusual, inappropriate or difficult to understand in articles, as you did in The Andy Griffith Show. There is a Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Not only did your edits break the logical quotation marks standard, but they added a curly quotation mark, which should not be used. —C.Fred (talk) 01:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I am an expert of The Andy Griffith Show. I noticed several errors and wanted to help by correcting those errors. Burvegas (talk) 08:52, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Please read what is being explained to you. It has nothing to do with what you are an expert in, nor is it intended to deter you from "correcting errors". What it is doing is telling you that we have an existing (and extensive) Manual of Style. Just as any publication will expect you comply with their preferred MoS, so do we. We don't expect you to have it memorized, understanding that you are new here; but when you are reverted on the basis of something that we have an established style for, it will usually be pointed out to you. Any editor reverting you should tell you why, and sometimes (as in the above instance), they will post a notice to your talk page. At that point, we expect that the style guide issue has been pointed out to you and you will be expected to follow it in the future. If you're uncertain, or don't understand, you did right to reply to it. However, an editor may not be alerted to your response on your own talk page unless you ping them. In that case, you can reply to notify a specific user by using markup like this: {{ping|username}}. For example, {{ping|ButlerBlog}} would ping me, thus notifying me of your response. You can also ask questions in the Tea House (WP:TEA). That's the place to ask questions and learn. ButlerBlog (talk) 13:13, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing.

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at John McLiam, you may be blocked from editing. Not only are you using improper punctuation, but now you're introducing spelling inconsistencies. —C.Fred (talk) 01:16, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make disruptive edits to Wikipedia contrary to the Manual of Style, as you did at Kat Stewart. —C.Fred (talk) 21:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I do not understand.

Is it a violation to correct punctuation and the date format? Burvegas (talk) 08:30, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/quotation-marks/

Here are the rules on punctuation with quotation marks.

March 18, 2023 Burvegas (talk) 08:39, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Date formats are not always Americanized (MDY). In the case of Kat Stewart, because it has national ties to Australia where the date format is DMY, not an Americanized MDY. See MOS:DATETIES for our style guide on this. When editing, follow the current format of the existing article. Also, if you are uncertain as to the appropriate format, there may be a template at the top of the article to tell you. In the Kat Stewart article, at the top, you'll see {{Use dmy dates}} which informs you that the established date format for the article is DMY. So changing the existing format from that is considered disruptive, which is why you received the above warning about it. Also, I would recommend that if you are referring back to a Manual of Style (i.e. your reference to grammerly), that you check our own internal MoS first. If we have an MoS rule on something, that takes precedence. It's extensive, and no one expects you to memorize it or learn it overnight. But you will be expected to conform to it when editing. If someone reverts you on the basis of MoS, then the best thing is to look it up, make note of it, and move forward having learned it. ButlerBlog (talk) 12:56, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

April 2023

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make disruptive edits to Wikipedia contrary to the Manual of Style, as you did at Barbara Perry (actress). Please follow the Wikipedia Manual of Style which dictates we are to use logical punctuation at all times for all articles. SQGibbon (talk) 20:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Americans should use the American English method of punctuation. Burvegas (talk) 21:29, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

No. We need to keep each article consistent with the Wikipedia Manual of Style. If you don't like the quotation style we use here then you don't have to like it but you do have to follow it if you hope to continue to edit Wikipedia.

I've been here for quite a while. I've seen people get blocked for some really, really, incredibly dumb reasons but getting blocked for obstinately refusing to use quotation marks correctly for some weird nationalistic reason would be one of the very dumbest. Please don't make this happen. DanielRigal (talk) 21:39, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Punctuation is always a matter of style and there is more than one style in use when it comes to punctuation and quotation marks. It is true that American's are generally taught to use the style you are using. Outside of the US, however, "logical punctuation" is very popular. Some people in the US use logical punctuation for technical writing as well. Neither style is more correct and anyone is free to adopt whichever style they want unless a style guide/editor/publisher/teacher specifically requires a particular style.

That said, the very long time consensus view on Wikipedia is to use logical punctuation for all articles. If you wish for this to change, you need to create a new consensus. In the meantime, please respect the consensus view. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 21:42, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Once again, please follow MOS:LQ. That style covers all subject matters and we do not change it depending on the nationality of the subject. SQGibbon (talk) 05:56, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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September 2023

Please stop. If you continue to use disruptive, inappropriate or hard-to-read formatting, as you did at Marineland of the Pacific, you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. You've been told this over and over and over again. Please stop imposing your chosen style over the consensus style of Wikipedia. SQGibbon (talk) 05:57, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Box of wolves (feed) 21:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I would think Wikipedia would want the site to have proper punctuation. American articles should have proper American English punctuation and date formate (day/ month/ year). This is not a debate. It’s pretty black and white:

https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/punctuation/quotation_marks/index.html#:~:text=Direct%20quotations%20involve%20incorporating%20another,material%20is%20a%20complete%20sentence. Burvegas (talk) 17:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Date formats for American articles should be month-day-year. Why would anyone disagree with proper punctuation and date format? This isn’t my opinion. This is a fact. These are the rules of American English.

https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/punctuation/punctuation/index.html Burvegas (talk) 17:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

In American English periods and commas ALWAYS come within the quotation makes. ALWAYS. These are the rules of “American English.” Burvegas (talk) 18:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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Burvegas (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

"This is not a debate. It’s pretty black and white"

There are no rules for punctuation. Punctuation is always a matter of style. The most common style in the US is as you describe but it's not universal in the US. For example, in technical writing, editors and publishers will sometimes use "logical punctuation" (same as Wikipedia uses) so that periods don't get mistaken for being parts of programming commands and similar things.

Since punctuation is a matter of style, every publisher, including Wikipedia, can create its own Style Guide or Manual of Style. Wikipedia uses logical punctuation along with the American style double quote (single quotes for glosses). This was agreed upon by the Wikipedia community, it is the consensus view.

If you disagree with this then you need to work toward creating a new consensus. That's how things work on Wikipedia. Please work with the Wikipedia instead of trying to impose your will upon the rest of us. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 21:57, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

I’m only trying to help other readers out there by learning the proper use of punctuation in regards to quotes. Editing punctuation mistakes in an article is doing no wrong. Wikipedia is riddled with punctuation mistakes in almost every article I read. when I see a comma or period after the “end quote,” I feel compelled to correct it to American English. Now I ask, what is so wrong about that? Burvegas (talk) 18:16, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not written using American English punctuation style as recorded by Purdue University. Please see MOS:QUOTE and incidentally MOS:CURLY. These guidance pages are part of Wikipedia's Manual of Style. The conversation about your edits is taking place at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Burvegas and edits contrary to the Manual of Style, should you wish to participate there. Folly Mox (talk) 19:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)