User talk:Bjmullan/Archive 2

CIL

Hope u don't mind - he won't stop until he sees roi. Anyway funding is liable to change. - ClemMcGann (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

But it hasn't changed yet! And does CIL own the ports - no! They are Republic of Ireland ports, to differentiate them from those of Northern Ireland. Clem, you seem like another POV warrior intent on not having Republic of Ireland here. I'm reverting your latest change, so please come up with some arguments in favour of your version. Hrotovice (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

with respect, CIL provides the lights - not the RoI. CIL is an all-island body. Even at the height of the troubles, CIL went unmolested. You deleted my cite supporting "an annual contribution from the Irish Government towards the cost of the service provided by the Commissioners in the Republic of Ireland." - you removed my cite for RoI! - and claim that I am "another POV warrior intent on not having Republic of Ireland here"Please desist. - ClemMcGann (talk) 22:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

As I've point out in Hrotovice talk page the ports covered by CIL are for the whole or Ireland and therefore using ROI is inappropriate. I have also warn him about his reverting. Bjmullan (talk) 20:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

wait - another awkward insertion of RoI ClemMcGann (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

a further consideration is that, with modern technology, large ships no longer depend on lighthouses. So the sentence is wrong, anyway. There were proposals that lesiure craft should have to pay. Now that labour are out, it remains to be seen what happens to that pproposal. Strictly speaking, the reason why CIL gets cash from Trinity House is that it was a provision of the Anglo-Irish treaty - ClemMcGann (talk) 23:55, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Silverstone Circuit

I have no doubt you're right about the length of the Stowe circuit, I just copied from the list on the right. I'm now reluctant to change the list on the right as someone is wrong and I don't want to make matters worse! If you're confident about the circuit length, I point you to the list on the right of the page... —Preceding unsigned comment added by217.37.152.42 (talk) 13:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (June)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year III · Issue 6 · June 7, 2010 – July 5, 2010 Previous month's issue
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Article of the month – McLaren M2B, new Good Article. The McLaren M2B was the McLaren team's first Formula One racing car, used during the 1966 season. It was conceived in 1965 and preceded by the M2A development car. Designed by Robin Herd, the innovative but problematic Mallite material was used in its construction. The car was powered by Ford and Serenissima engines but both lacked power and suffered from reliability issues. Driven by team founder Bruce McLaren, the M2B had a short Grand Prix career, entering six races and starting only four. It scored the team's first point at the British Grand Prix and two more points at the United States Grand Prix. (More...)
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 127 2nd Jenson Button McLaren 121 3rd Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 115 4th Mark Webber Red Bull 103 5th Fernando Alonso Ferrari 98 6th Robert Kubica Renault 83 7th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 75 8th Felipe Massa Ferrari 67 9th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 34 10th Adrian Sutil Force India 31 11th Rubens Barrichello Williams 19 12th Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India 12 13th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber 7 14th Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso 7 15th Vitaly Petrov Renault 6 16th Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 3 17th Nico Hülkenberg Williams 1 18th Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber 0 19th Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 0 20th Karun Chandhok Hispania 0 21st Lucas di Grassi Virgin 0 22nd Jarno Trulli Lotus 0 23rd Bruno Senna Hispania 0 24th Timo Glock Virgin 0 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Entered Chassis Points 1st Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-25 248 2nd Red Bull Racing RB6 218 3rd Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro F10 165 4th Mercedes GP Petronas MGP W01 109 5th Renault F1 Team R30 89 6th Force India F1 Team VJM03 43 7th AT&T Williams FW32 20 8th Scuderia Toro Rosso STR5 10 9th BMW Sauber F1 Team C29 7 10th Lotus Racing T127 0 11th Hispania Racing F1 Team F110 0 12th Virgin Racing VR-01 0 See 2010 Formula One season for more information
Canadian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:33:53.456 2nd Jenson Button McLaren + 2.254 3rd Fernando Alonso Ferrari + 9.214 4th Sebastian Vettel Red Bull + 37.817 5th Mark Webber Red Bull + 39.291 6th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP + 56.084 7th Robert Kubica Renault + 57.300 8th Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso + 1 lap 9th Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India + 1 lap 10th Adrian Sutil Force India + 1 lap Fastest Lap: Robert Kubica 1:16.972 on lap 67 Canadian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:15.105 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:15.420 Row two Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:15.435 Jenson Button McLaren 1:15.520 Row three Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India 1:15.648 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:15.688 Row four Mark Webber Red Bull 1:15.3731 Robert Kubica Renault 1:15.715 Row five Adrian Sutil Force India 1:15.881 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:16.071 1 - Webber was due to start second but was demoted five places due to a gearbox change. FriP1: McLarens split by Schumacher FriP2: Vettel pips Alonso in Montreal SatP: Four teams in the top four Qualifying: Hamilton storms to Montreal pole Race: McLaren one-two in Montreal thriller European Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:40:29.571 2nd Lewis Hamilton McLaren + 5.042 3rd Jenson Button McLaren + 12.6582 4th Rubens Barrichello Williams + 25.6272 5th Robert Kubica Renault + 27.1222 6th Adrian Sutil Force India + 30.1682 7th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber + 30.965 8th Fernando Alonso Ferrari + 32.809 9th Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso + 36.2992 10th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP + 44.382 Fastest Lap: Jenson Button 1:38.766 on lap 54 European Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:37.587 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:37.662 Row two Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:37.969 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:38.075 Row three Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:38.127 Robert Kubica Renault 1:38.137 Row four Jenson Button McLaren 1:38.210 Nico Hülkenberg Williams 1:38.4281 Row five Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:38.428 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:38.523 1 - Hülkenberg recorded the lap time first. 2 - Nine drivers were given five-second time penalties post-race for for exceeding the safety car-in lap time. Apart from the drivers listed, Pedro de la Rosa (10th, + 42.414), Vitaly Petrov (11th, + 43.287), Vitantonio Liuzzi (13th, + 45.890) and Nico Hülkenberg (retired) were also given penalties. FriP1: Rosberg and Mercedes in front FriP2: Alonso pips Vettel in Valencia SatP: Red Bulls split by Renault Qualifying: Vettel beats Webber to pole in Valencia Race: Vettel wins amid drama in Valencia

– Cs-wolves(talk) 18:27, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Avalon

Response at my talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added bySpongerJack (talk • contribs) 22:31, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Mediation: Israel and the Apartheid analogy

Just an FYI, we are running a straw poll on title choices on the mediation page -seeWikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2010-04-14/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy#Straw_poll_on_titles. If you pitch in a vote or three, we can move this along. --Ludwigs2 06:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Just a reminder: you have not yet voted on the straw poll. If you don't, your voice will not be heard on this issue, which would be sad. . --Ludwigs2 06:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Londonderry/Derry

OK, so the MOS says use Derry for the city and Londonderry for the county, but it doesn't say that either term has to be replaced with the agreed version throughout the encyclopedia. You seem to be engaging in - shall we say - a systematic replacement of Londonderry with Derry. In the light of what's happened with British Isles I would suggest this is perhaps not a good idea. The replacements add nothing and can't even be argued as being right or wrong. LevenBoy (talk) 19:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Whilst i disagree with the compromise on the Londonderry/Derry issue, as it is in the MOS i see no problem with those being changed to ensure the text use is inline with the MOS to avoid different usage which would cause more confusion. It would be a far more justified mission than the crusade to remove British Isles from wikipedia. BritishWatcher (talk) 21:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

AN/I

You have been reported to AN/I for disruptive behavior regarding replacing Londonderry with Derry at McKownville, New York, and it seems at least one other editor warned you that this is behavior that may not be acceptable.Camelbinky (talk) 00:00, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

July 2010

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here: Wikipedia:Ani. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Toddst1(talk) 15:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (July)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year III · Issue 7 · July 5, 2010 – August 2, 2010 Previous month's issue
New users New members – Kevintjeerdsma1996 (talk · contribs) (July 12) Allypap81 (talk · contribs) (July 21) S1312 (talk · contribs) (July 23) Cooldude9011 (talk · contribs) (July 27) New recipients – Beardybloke (talk · contribs) (July 12) Kevintjeerdsma1996 (talk · contribs) (July 12) Britmax (talk · contribs) (July 15) Floul1 (talk · contribs) (July 20) New editors – WikiProject news Check out Apterygial's My Insane Idea userproject, which aims to improve the 2008 Formula One season article and that season's Grands Prix to Featured Topic status. Newsletter news	Article developments Formula One articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 3 4 5 12 FL 1 2 1 4 A 2 2 GA 3 5 10 5 23 B 17 28 37 47 4 133 C 6 30 31 44 1 112 Start 15 101 157 350 181 804 Stub 39 103 1,129 349 1,620 List 3 9 12 2 26 Category 5 27 32 Disambig 3 3 6 Portal 30 5 35 Project 22 31 53 Redirect 2 1 2 4 9 Template 43 102 145 NA 8 8 16 Assessed 48 218 360 1,578 113 715 3,032 Unassessed 107 107 Total 48 218 360 1,578 113 822 3,139 See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Article alerts Current Good Article Nominees -- 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix Good Article Reassessments -- Lewis Hamilton
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Images Below is the F1 Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. Hispania Racing became the first team of 2010 to alter its driver line-up, as test driver Sakon Yamamoto was promoted at the expense of Bruno Senna at the British Grand Prix, and Karun Chandhok at the German Grand Prix (pictured). New images 1950 1964 1982 1986 1992 1993 2010
Article of the month – 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix, current Good Article Nominee The 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix (formally the XXIII ING Magyar Nagydíj) was a Formula One motor race held on August 3, 2008, at Hungaroring in Mogyoród, near Budapest, Hungary. It was the 11th race of the 2008 Formula One season. Contested over 70 laps, the race was won by Heikki Kovalainen for the McLaren team, from a second position start. Timo Glock finished second in a Toyota car, with Kimi Räikkönen third in a Ferrari. It marked Kovalainen's first Formula One victory, which made him the sport's 100th driver to win a World Championship race, and Glock's first podium finish. Much of the race, however, was dominated by a duel between Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa, who drove for McLaren and Ferrari respectively. Hamilton started from pole position on the starting grid but was beaten at the first corner by Massa, who passed him around the outside. The two championship protagonists began a battle for the lead that was resolved when Hamilton sustained a punctured tyre just over half-way through the race, giving Massa a comfortable lead. The Ferrari's engine, however, failed with three laps of the race remaining, allowing Kovalainen to take the win. (More...)
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Mark Webber Red Bull 161 2nd Lewis Hamilton McLaren 157 3rd Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 151 4th Jenson Button McLaren 147 5th Fernando Alonso Ferrari 141 6th Felipe Massa Ferrari 97 7th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 94 8th Robert Kubica Renault 89 9th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 38 10th Adrian Sutil Force India 35 11th Rubens Barrichello Williams 30 12th Vitaly Petrov Renault 17 13th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber 17 14th Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India 12 15th Nico Hülkenberg Williams 10 16th Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso 7 17th Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber 6 18th Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 3 19th Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 0 20th Karun Chandhok Hispania 0 21st Lucas di Grassi Virgin 0 22nd Jarno Trulli Lotus 0 23rd Bruno Senna Hispania 0 24th Timo Glock Virgin 0 25th Sakon Yamamoto Hispania 0 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Entered Chassis Points 1st Red Bull Racing RB6 312 2nd Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-25 304 3rd Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro F10 238 4th Mercedes GP Petronas MGP W01 132 5th Renault F1 Team R30 106 6th Force India F1 Team VJM03 47 7th AT&T Williams FW32 40 8th BMW Sauber F1 Team C29 23 9th Scuderia Toro Rosso STR5 10 10th Lotus Racing T127 0 11th Hispania Racing F1 Team F110 0 12th Virgin Racing VR-01 0 See 2010 Formula One season for more information
British Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Mark Webber Red Bull 1:24:38.200 2nd Lewis Hamilton McLaren + 1.360 3rd Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP + 21.307 4th Jenson Button McLaren + 21.986 5th Rubens Barrichello Williams + 31.456 6th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber + 32.171 7th Sebastian Vettel Red Bull + 36.734 8th Adrian Sutil Force India + 40.932 9th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP + 41.599 10th Nico Hülkenberg Williams + 42.012 Fastest Lap: Fernando Alonso ( Ferrari) 1:30.874 on lap 52 British Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:29.615 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:29.758 Row two Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:30.426 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:30.556 Row three Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:30.625 Robert Kubica Renault 1:31.040 Row four Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:31.172 Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:31.175 Row five Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber 1:31.274 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:31.430 FriP1: First blood to Vettel FriP2: Webber takes over for Red Bull SatP: Red Bull remain in charge Qualifying: Red Bull sweep to British pole Race: Webber untouchable at Silverstone German Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:27:38.864 2nd Felipe Massa Ferrari + 4.196 3rd Sebastian Vettel Red Bull + 5.121 4th Lewis Hamilton McLaren + 26.896 5th Jenson Button McLaren + 29.482 6th Mark Webber Red Bull + 43.606 7th Robert Kubica Renault + 1 lap 8th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP + 1 lap 9th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP + 1 lap 10th Vitaly Petrov Renault + 1 lap Fastest Lap: Sebastian Vettel 1:15.824 on lap 67 German Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:13.791 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:13.793 Row two Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:14.290 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:14.347 Row three Jenson Button McLaren 1:14.427 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:14.566 Row four Robert Kubica Renault 1:15.079 Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:15.109 Row five Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:15.179 Nico Hülkenberg Williams 1:15.339 FriP1: Sutil tops damp German session FriP2: Alonso ahead at Hockenheim SatP: Red Bull edge out Ferrari Qualifying: Vettel snatches home pole in Germany Race: Alonso leads Ferrari one-two in Germany Hungarian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Mark Webber Red Bull 1:41:05.571 2nd Fernando Alonso Ferrari + 17.821 3rd Sebastian Vettel Red Bull + 19.252 4th Felipe Massa Ferrari + 27.474 5th Vitaly Petrov Renault + 1:13.192 6th Nico Hülkenberg Williams + 1:16.723 7th Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber + 1 lap 8th Jenson Button McLaren + 1 lap 9th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber + 1 lap 10th Rubens Barrichello Williams + 1 lap Fastest Lap: Sebastian Vettel 1:22.362 on lap 70 Hungarian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:18.773 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:19.184 Row two Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:19.987 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:20.331 Row three Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:20.499 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:21.082 Row four Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:21.229 Robert Kubica Renault 1:21.328 Row five Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber 1:21.411 Nico Hülkenberg Williams 1:21.710 FriP1: Red Bull out in front in Hungary FriP2: Red Bulls split by Alonso SatP: Webber leads the Red Bull charge Qualifying: Vettel eases to Budapest pole for Red Bull Race: Hungary win gives Webber title lead

– Cs-wolves(talk) 22:42, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Michael Dunlop

Hi, looks good. Maybe you should consider including the race times as well(?). —Precedingunsigned comment added by Nigel jewell (talk •contribs) 20:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Look at the discussion. It was agreed.

Look at the discussion. It was agreed. --Triton Rocker (talk) 07:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I just added 16 good references to one topic. What did you do?

I just added 16 good references to one topic alone and a load of tidy up. What did you do? --Triton Rocker (talk) 08:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll tell you what I didn't do....move one more step closer to a bigger ban for violating the British Isles topic ban. BTW redirecting your talk page to your homepage is just childish. Bjmullan (talk) 08:27, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Accidental blanking

This edit blanked a lot of the noticeboard... I just reverted. Do you want to do the repairs to restore the newer content? BE——Critical_{__Talk} 19:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that Critical. That is the second time the something funny has happened while editing from an iPhone. Note too self stop editing from the iPhone! Bjmullan (talk) 20:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on closure of Israel and Aparthied mediation

Current consensus seems to be to move the article to Israel and Apartheid with an appropriate disambiguation line to prevent any misinterpretations. Please weigh in over the next few days. --Ludwigs2 17:10, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thank you. If I need any more advice from you, I will come and ask.

I do not wish to burden you any more. I will thank you for leaving my talk page alone now. --Triton Rocker (talk) 15:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Not worries, advice costs nothing. Have a good weekend and chill ;-) Bjmullan (talk) 15:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

WT:BISE

I have [1] a comment you posted. TFOWR 14:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

After LM comment I was about to change it but you got to it first. I did not intend my comment to be an attack on TR and will ensure that in the future I am more careful. Thanks. Bjmullan (talk) 14:15, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

2010 Czech Rally

Compliments to you! It's not very often that I see new articles like 2010 Czech Rally. So nice job on that. I went ahead and tagged it as under construction. Is that alright? Endofskull (talk) 21:20, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

That was quick! Yes it's OK. I will remove it when the (hidden) stage info is complete. Thanks for the compliment :-)Bjmullan(talk) 21:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Do you need any help on the article? Endofskull (talk) 21:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer but it will get done by me and probably Cs-wolves. Bjmullan (talk) 21:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Cs-wolves he's at it already! He is so quick :-) Bjmullan (talk) 21:41, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Alright. If you need any help, just come to me! Endofskull (talk) 01:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Channel Islands

TR maybe you could explain to me (I think you said you did study geography) how the channel islands are geographically connected to Great Britian/Ireland/BI and not to France? When I look at the map all I see are small French islands but they always seem to be part of the "geographic" BI's. Bjmullan (talk) 18:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

You could try starting with looking at the disciplines of Human geography and their defining nature. There are a number of specifically related books and articles around, e.g. 'Human Geography of the UK: an Introduction' by Hardill, Graham & Kofman. It briefly touches on the changing references to the term British Isles. Geography is not all about land.

As far as the Channel Islands go. I understand what you are saying. They should be French. They are also part of Normandy culturally, geographically and historically. But they are British Isles now. You have to blame a long chain of individuals from the Normans to loyalist families like the De Carterets during the Wars of the Roses. Bear in mind that until 1801, French territories were under English rule, and the interconnectedness of English, French and Norman aristocracies. And don't mention Chausey.

If you are genuinely interested, I would also read up on the creation of national identities, how and when they happens. What has happened in Ireland and Scotland is the creation of a collective identity where they was none one before, based on a romantic notions and geography rather than say tribe, religion or class, in which the dominant "England" is used as a defining other. This actually makes Irishness subject to Britishness (by which you really mean Englishness).

That is not positive and it belongs to the politics of the last century. It has gone as far as it will get and it would be far better for Ireland to define itself based on its position and relationships within Europe. The way to beat "Britishness" (meaning Englishness) is not to dig a trench of "Irishness", that fight is won as much as it can be, but to enjoin and promote Europeanness. To reject and bury Little England under Europe.

As it is, the UK is become less and less British anyway. Give it 50 years and, by the demographics, if you don't change you will be defining yourself by hating an Islamic state instead. It will be Catholicism versus The Caliphate of Westminister! --Triton Rocker (talk) 03:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

WRC driver

Did you know, Who is that American rally driver debuted on 1995, can you guess that driver?

Here is an external link: [2]

--Videogamer13(talk). September 1, 2010 (UTC).

My favourite rally drivers is Jonas Andromeda, Carlos Sainz, Juha Kankkunen,Sebastien Loeb and Mikko Hirvonen. And what's your favourite rally drivers?--Videogamer13(talk). 19:48, September 4, 2010 (UTC).

In order: Colin Mcrae, Markku Alén, Walter Röhrl and Juha Kankkunen. I have been fortunate to have seen all of these drivers in action. I hope to see Loeb and Hirvonen later in the year for the first time.Bjmullan (talk) 22:44, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Did you know? Henri Toivonen, Colin McRae and Richard Burns is the deceased rally driver. I see Toivonen's death by a fatal crash during rally in 1986 and McRae's death by a helicopter accident. --Gtabigfan2010 (talk) 10:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (August)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year III · Issue 8 · August 2, 2010 – September 6, 2010 Previous month's issue
New users New members – New recipients – QueenCake (talk · contribs) (August 4) New editors – WikiProject news Check out Apterygial's My Insane Idea userproject, which aims to improve the 2008 Formula One season article and that season's Grands Prix to Featured Topic status. Newsletter news	Article developments Formula One articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 3 4 5 12 FL 1 2 1 4 A 2 2 GA 3 6 11 5 25 B 18 30 37 46 131 C 6 33 31 46 116 Start 15 97 160 354 177 803 Stub 1 40 102 1,136 354 1,633 List 3 9 12 2 26 Category 6 27 33 Disambig 3 3 6 Portal 30 5 35 Project 22 31 53 Redirect 2 1 2 4 9 Template 44 102 146 NA 8 9 17 Assessed 50 221 363 1,590 115 712 3,051 Unassessed 113 113 Total 50 221 363 1,590 115 825 3,164 See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Article alerts Articles featured on the Main Page -- 2008 Japanese Grand Prix (August 11) New Good Articles -- 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix Good Article Reassessments -- Lewis Hamilton New articles – Austin Formula One circuit Deletions – Category:Expatriate racecar drivers in the United States
Editors' Comment Users are always welcome to help us with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors – Midgrid (talk · contribs) Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) How to help WPF1 – Expand the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Article requests: Erich Zakowski, Daniele Coronna, Hans Fouche, Chris Radage, Giorgio Stirano, Steve Tarrant, Intertechnique, 10 Tenths, Elf Masters, Toyota TF110 Copyedit: Bahrain Grand Prix, History of Formula One, Monaco Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix, Rob White (Formula One), Rob Smedley Expand: F1-X Dubai, Honda RA271, Paddy Lowe, Red Bull RB3, Spyker F1, Toyota TF107, BMW Sauber F1.07, Mario Theissen, Franz Tost, Chinese Grand Prix, Colin Kolles, Concorde Agreement, Formula One Constructors Association, McLaren MP4/1, Ove Andersson, Bob Bell, Korean International Circuit, Grand Prix Drivers' Association, Spyker F8-VII, Arai (company), Shoei, Schuberth Helme GmbH, Bell Racing Company, Jim Bamber, Nazir Hoosein, Formula One video games, Make Cars Green, Jonathan Legard, Michael Turner (illustrator) more Update: History of Formula One, Toyota, Robert Doornbos, Formula One regulations, 2024 Formula One season, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri F1, Divina Galica, Grand Prix World Championship Images needed: Max Mosley, Sakon Yamamoto, Jordan Grand Prix circa 1992-1997, Paddy Lowe, 2008 Turkish Grand Prix more For more work, see this generated list or the Auxiliary list
Images Below is the F1 Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. Jenson Button was eliminated from second place during the Belgian Grand Prix by a collision with Sebastian Vettel's Red Bull, allowing their team-mates—Lewis Hamilton and Mark Webber—to extend their lead at the head of the World Drivers' Championship. New images 2004 2010
Article of the month – 2008 Japanese Grand Prix, featured on the Main Page. The 2008 Japanese Grand Prix (formally the XXXIV Fuji Television Japanese Grand Prix) was a Formula One motor race held on October 12, 2008, at the Fuji Speedway, Oyama, Japan. It was the 16th race of the 2008 Formula One season. The race, contested over 67 laps, was won by Fernando Alonso for the Renault team from fourth position on the starting grid. Robert Kubica finished second for BMW Sauber, and Kimi Räikkönen third for Ferrari. Lewis Hamilton, the eventual Drivers' Champion, led the Championship going into the race, and started from pole position alongside Räikkönen. Hamilton's McLaren teammate Heikki Kovalainen began from third, next to Alonso. At the first corner Hamilton braked late, forcing Räikkönen wide. Hamilton was later given a penalty, and was criticised by the British racing press for overly aggressive driving. Ferrari driver Felipe Massa, Hamilton's principal Championship rival, was penalised after an incident on lap two in which he touched Hamilton's car, causing it to spin. The incident dropped Hamilton to the back of the field, from where he was unable to regain a pointscoring position. Massa later collided with Sébastien Bourdais of Toro Rosso. Bourdais was penalised after the race, and demoted from sixth to tenth position. The penalty prompted widespread criticism from the racing media and ex-drivers. The victory was Alonso's second consecutive win; he started from 15th on the grid to win the Singapore Grand Prix two weeks prior. Kubica held off a determined attack from Räikkönen in the closing laps to take second place. Massa's seventh place narrowed his gap to Hamilton in the Drivers' Championship to five points. Ferrari established a seven point lead over the McLaren team in the Constructors' Championship, with two races of the season remaining. (More...)
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 182 2nd Mark Webber Red Bull 179 3rd Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 151 4th Jenson Button McLaren 147 5th Fernando Alonso Ferrari 141 6th Felipe Massa Ferrari 109 7th Robert Kubica Renault 104 8th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 102 9th Adrian Sutil Force India 45 10th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 44 11th Rubens Barrichello Williams 30 12th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber 21 13th Vitaly Petrov Renault 19 14th Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India 13 15th Nico Hülkenberg Williams 10 16th Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso 7 17th Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber 6 18th Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 3 19th Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 0 20th Karun Chandhok Hispania 0 21st Lucas di Grassi Virgin 0 22nd Jarno Trulli Lotus 0 23rd Bruno Senna Hispania 0 24th Timo Glock Virgin 0 25th Sakon Yamamoto Hispania 0 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Entered Chassis Points 1st Red Bull Racing RB6 330 2nd Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-25 329 3rd Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro F10 250 4th Mercedes GP Petronas MGP W01 146 5th Renault F1 Team R30 123 6th Force India F1 Team VJM03 58 7th AT&T Williams FW32 40 8th BMW Sauber F1 Team C29 27 9th Scuderia Toro Rosso STR5 10 10th Lotus Racing T127 0 11th Hispania Racing F1 Team F110 0 12th Virgin Racing VR-01 0 See 2010 Formula One season for more information
Belgian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:29:04.268 2nd Mark Webber Red Bull + 1.571 3rd Robert Kubica Renault + 3.493 4th Felipe Massa Ferrari + 8.264 5th Adrian Sutil Force India + 9.094 6th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP + 12.359 7th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP + 15.548 8th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber + 16.678 9th Vitaly Petrov Renault + 23.851 10th Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India + 34.831 Fastest Lap: Lewis Hamilton 1:49.069 on lap 32 Belgian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Mark Webber Red Bull 1:45.778 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:45.863 Row two Robert Kubica Renault 1:46.100 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:46.127 Row three Jenson Button McLaren 1:46.206 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:46.314 Row four Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:46.602 Adrian Sutil Force India 1:46.659 Row five Nico Hülkenberg Williams 1:47.053 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:47.441 Jaime Alguersuari (10th, + 29.457) had 20 seconds added to his race time for gaining an advantage by cutting the final chicane. FriP1: Alonso makes the eau rouge FriP2: Alonso keeps his grip on Spa SatP: Webber leads Red Bull resurgence Qualifying: Webber and Hamilton on Spa front row Race: Advantage Hamilton after Spa thriller

– Cs-wolves(talk) 15:08, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Arguments for inclusion of the term "British Isles"

Just thought I should let you know, you added your reason for non-inclusion to the "Arguments for inclusion" subsection as well as the "Arguments against inclusion" one. Scolaire (talk) 18:33, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Scolaire it should have been in the UK section. Now moved. Bjmullan (talk) 07:52, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Favourite F1 Drivers

My favourite F1 driver is Michael Schumacher. And what's your favourite F1 driver? --Videogamer13 (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Adminship

BJ, thanks for your comment here. --RA (talk) 08:35, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Jonas Andromeda is the American rally driver. Did you recognize him? --Gtabigfan2010 (talk) 09:01, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

1/rr

Editors are currently restricted to 1 revert within a 24 hour period at Gaza War. Your reverts are based on talk page discussion and appear to me to be justified but it is still crossing the line technically. You and the other editor should probably self revert your last ones.Cptnono(talk) 10:04, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Oops. I misread the edit history and the other editor technically did not revert. It was still bad form and he should have used the talk page before tagging and then should have waited for a response instead of reverting. Oh well. So although you were fully using the talk page that second revert was against the rules so if you didn't know here is your friendly reminder. You can;t self revert since he already reverted. D'oh.Cptnono(talk) 10:19, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes I saw that and I have no intentions breaking the rule. Let's hope we can get Marokwitz consensus on the lede as well.Bjmullan(talk) 10:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Sock puppetry case

Hello, Bjmullan! While you're certainly not a suspect, your name has been mentioned in a sock puppetry case. Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/LevenBoy for more. Thank you :> Doc9871 (talk) 13:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Stansty

Your reference for Archdeacon of Derry states: 166J. Jonathan Edwards, LL. D. a Prebendary of Kilkenny, and Chancellor of Ferns, was installed on February 16. (ff.) He appears in 1679; but I have not learned when he ceased to be Archdeacon. This does not mention Derry but I note it's within a section with a title of "Derry". At the risk of being accused of policy shopping, to claim this referecne supports Archdeacon of Derry is WP:SYN. There are references for Londonderry and for Derry. I suggest you get expert advice on the title he acquired at installation. I'll leave it a couple of days then revert if no definitive reference or expert advice is forthcoming. LevenBoy (talk) 19:22, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you could supply the references you talk about at either the talk page of the article of Stansty or at Jonathan Edwards (archdeacon). Please do not remove reference material, take it to the talk page of the article. Removal of reference material can be consider as vandalism.Bjmullan (talk) 20:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Only if the reference is actually a reference. Yours isn't, in that it does not support the point you're making.LevenBoy(talk) 21:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

That's for debate at the talk pages above. Please take your discuss there. Thank you. Bjmullan (talk) 21:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

You mean like you did? No, you have made a change, I applied WP:BRD and you then edit warred to put it back without discussion. You should have proposed the reference at Talk where its inadequacies or otherwise could have been discussed. Now the onus is on you to provide a suitable reference. I will revert it in two days time if you don't come up with anything - so start looking! LevenBoy (talk) 22:22, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

For the LAST time take this to the talk page of the articles. I have included a reference (as requested), if you are unsure of the diocese where he was an archdeacon I suggest you try page 307 of the book, it's title is "Diocese of Derry" and scroll from there to page 337 (or do you consider scrolling SYN?). The whole book is a list of Bishops/Deans/Archdeacons/etc for all the the diocese of Ulster. If you to not agree with the reference then provide another one at the talk page. I will not be answering any further comments on this subject here. Thank you and good night.Bjmullan (talk) 22:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Need help from WRCPedia

Bjmullan, The admins and editors needs some help for improving the pages on WRC Wiki (WRCPedia), if you want to improve the WRC Pedia, go towrc.wikia.com. --Gtabigfan2010 (talk) 18:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of 2012 Intercontinental Rally Challenge season

A tag has been placed on 2012 Intercontinental Rally Challenge season requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Pleasesee the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for organizations and companies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note onthe talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged forspeedydeletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Seduisant (talk) 21:09, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

That's fine Seduisant. It was created by mistake (should have been 2011). Nearly added that tag myself. Bjmullan (talk) 21:15, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Re:IRC

Ah, I was out earlier thus didn't see your message until now. Unfortunately not, as much as I would like to go. :( Cs-wolves(talk) 21:38, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Well I hope to make it and I hope the weather is better than last year! Might also make Rally Wales GB. Bjmullan (talk) 21:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Trust me, if the weather is anything like tonight...jackets are a must. Hooded ones. Cs-wolves(talk) 21:51, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (September)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year III · Issue 9 · September 6, 2010 – October 4, 2010 Previous month's issue
New users New members – Spa-Franks (talk · contribs) (September 21) Bjmullan (talk · contribs) (September 30) New recipients – Airbus A380 (talk · contribs) (September 16) New editors – WikiProject news Check out Apterygial's My Insane Idea userproject, which aims to improve the 2008 Formula One season article and that season's Grands Prix to Featured Topic status. Newsletter news	Article developments Formula One articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 3 4 5 12 FL 1 2 1 4 A 2 2 GA 3 6 10 6 25 B 18 30 37 45 130 C 5 34 32 47 118 Start 15 95 159 356 177 802 Stub 1 38 103 1,136 353 1,631 List 3 9 12 2 26 Category 32 1 33 Disambig 5 1 6 Portal 35 35 Project 53 53 Redirect 2 1 5 1 9 Template 136 10 146 NA 15 3 18 Assessed 49 218 363 1,593 281 546 3,050 Unassessed 119 119 Total 49 218 363 1,593 281 665 3,169 See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Article alerts New Good Articles – Brabham BT49 Good Article Reassessments – Lewis Hamilton (delisted)
Editors' Comment Users are always welcome to help us with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors – Midgrid (talk · contribs) Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) How to help WPF1 – Expand the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Article requests: Erich Zakowski, Daniele Coronna, Hans Fouche, Chris Radage, Giorgio Stirano, Steve Tarrant, Intertechnique, 10 Tenths, Elf Masters, Toyota TF110 Copyedit: Bahrain Grand Prix, History of Formula One, Monaco Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix, Rob White (Formula One), Rob Smedley Expand: F1-X Dubai, Honda RA271, Paddy Lowe, Red Bull RB3, Spyker F1, Toyota TF107, BMW Sauber F1.07, Mario Theissen, Franz Tost, Chinese Grand Prix, Colin Kolles, Concorde Agreement, Formula One Constructors Association, McLaren MP4/1, Ove Andersson, Bob Bell, Korean International Circuit, Grand Prix Drivers' Association, Spyker F8-VII, Arai (company), Shoei, Schuberth Helme GmbH, Bell Racing Company, Jim Bamber, Nazir Hoosein, Formula One video games, Make Cars Green, Jonathan Legard, Michael Turner (illustrator) more Update: History of Formula One, Toyota, Robert Doornbos, Formula One regulations, 2024 Formula One season, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri F1, Divina Galica, Grand Prix World Championship Images needed: Max Mosley, Sakon Yamamoto, Jordan Grand Prix circa 1992-1997, Paddy Lowe, 2008 Turkish Grand Prix more For more work, see this generated list or the Auxiliary list
Images Below is the F1 Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button and Felipe Massa line up at the front of the starting grid for the 2010 Italian Grand Prix. The trio finished in this order, but Button led the majority of the race before falling behind Alonso during the pit-stop sequence, allowing the Ferrari team to take its first home win since 2006. New images 1957 2010 Other
Article of the month – Brabham BT49, new Good Article The Brabham BT49 (pronounced /ˈbræbəm/) is a Formula One racing car designed by South African Gordon Murray for the British Brabham team. The BT49 competed in the 1979 to 1982 Formula One World Championships and was used by Brazilian driver Nelson Piquet to win his first World Championship in 1981. The car was initially designed in 1979 as a short notice replacement for the team's Alfa Romeo-engined BT48, after Brabham team owner Bernie Ecclestone decided to end his relationship with the Italian engine manufacturer. The BT49 was created in only six weeks using elements of the BT48 chassis together with the widely used Cosworth DFV engine. It is a single seater with an open cockpit and exposed wheels. The monocoque chassis is made from aluminium alloy and carbon fibre composites. The car was fitted with controversial hydropneumatic suspension and water-cooled brakes at different points in its life. The BT49 was updated over four seasons taking a total of seven wins, six poles and 135 points. Seventeen were eventually built, most of which survive today. Some are used successfully in historic motorsport; Christian Glaesel won the 2005 FIA Historic Formula One Championship driving a BT49D. (More...)
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Mark Webber Red Bull 202 2nd Fernando Alonso Ferrari 191 3rd Lewis Hamilton McLaren 182 4th Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 181 5th Jenson Button McLaren 177 6th Felipe Massa Ferrari 128 7th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 122 8th Robert Kubica Renault 114 9th Adrian Sutil Force India 47 10th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 46 11th Rubens Barrichello Williams 39 12th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber 21 13th Vitaly Petrov Renault 19 14th Nico Hülkenberg Williams 17 15th Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India 13 16th Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso 7 17th Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber 6 18th Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 3 19th Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 0 20th Karun Chandhok Hispania 0 21st Lucas di Grassi Virgin 0 22nd Jarno Trulli Lotus 0 23rd Bruno Senna Hispania 0 24th Timo Glock Virgin 0 25th Sakon Yamamoto Hispania 0 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 0 Christian Klien Hispania 0 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Entered Chassis Points 1st Red Bull Racing RB6 383 2nd Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-25 359 3rd Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro F10 319 4th Mercedes GP Petronas MGP W01 168 5th Renault F1 Team R30 133 6th Force India F1 Team VJM03 60 7th AT&T Williams FW32 56 8th BMW Sauber F1 Team C29 27 9th Scuderia Toro Rosso STR5 10 10th Lotus Racing T127 0 11th Hispania Racing F1 Team F110 0 12th Virgin Racing VR-01 0 See 2010 Formula One season for more information
Italian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:16:24.572 2nd Jenson Button McLaren + 2.938 3rd Felipe Massa Ferrari + 4.223 4th Sebastian Vettel Red Bull + 28.196 5th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP + 29.942 6th Mark Webber Red Bull + 31.276 7th Nico Hülkenberg Williams + 32.812 8th Robert Kubica Renault + 34.028 9th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP + 44.948 10th Rubens Barrichello Williams + 1:04.213 Fastest Lap: Fernando Alonso 1:24.139 on lap 52 Italian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:21.962 Jenson Button McLaren 1:22.084 Row two Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:22.293 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:22.433 Row three Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:22.623 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:22.675 Row four Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:23.027 Nico Hülkenberg Williams 1:23.037 Row five Robert Kubica Renault 1:23.039 Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:23.328 FriP1: Vettel splits McLarens at Monza FriP2: Vettel to the fore in Italy SatP: Hamilton pips Vettel for P1 at Monza Qualifying: Alonso delivers Monza pole for Ferrari Race: Alonso back in the hunt after Monza win
Singapore Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:57:53.579 2nd Sebastian Vettel Red Bull + 0.293 3rd Mark Webber Red Bull + 29.141 4th Jenson Button McLaren + 30.384 5th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP + 49.394 6th Rubens Barrichello Williams + 56.101 7th Robert Kubica Renault + 1:26.559 8th Felipe Massa Ferrari + 1:53.297 9th Adrian Sutil Force India + 2:12.4161 10th Nico Hülkenberg Williams + 2:12.7912 Fastest Lap: Fernando Alonso 1:47.976 on lap 58 Singapore Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:45.390 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:45.457 Row two Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:45.571 Jenson Button McLaren 1:45.944 Row three Mark Webber Red Bull 1:45.977 Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:46.236 Row four Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:46.443 Robert Kubica Renault 1:46.593 Row five Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:46.702 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber 1:47.884 1 – Sutil originally finished 8th (+ 1:52.416) but was penalised 20 seconds post-race for illegally gaining an advantage. Sutil handed 20-second time penalty 2 – Hülkenberg originally finished 9th (+ 1:52.791) but was penalised 20 seconds post-race for illegally gaining an advantage, after a protest by Force India. Hulkenberg penalised after Force India protest FriP1: Webber edges out Schumacher FriP2: Vettel streets ahead in Singapore SatP: Vettel stays ahead at Marina Bay Qualifying: Alonso snatches crucial pole for Ferrari Race: Alonso claims superb Singapore win

--Midgrid(talk) 19:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

1991 Tooheys 1000

2:14.5 is the current lap record? They've been racing in 2:08's at Bathurst for several years, I'll be re-writing that bit.--Falcadore (talk) 20:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

You are so right. Miss read the data! 2:08.4651 is the record but the race record still stands. BTW Wish I could be there!Bjmullan(talk) 20:33, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Me2. Got a nice party to head off to... very shortly! Update the Aus GTs will have to wait until tonight. Much rather be there, much rather be working down there. --Falcadore (talk) 20:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

It's always the same. You put something up that has stood for 19 years and it gets broken the next day! Bjmullan (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

British Isles Terminology task force

There are no problems for me about your rollbacks, sorry if it caused problems to this project. I've transcluded this navbox (not the category) on that 2 articles (Pr. of Wales -here- and Irish Free State -here-) because i've found them still listed (not by me) on the navbox. I hope that this misunderstanding was cleared because in my work I always search to avoid to include articles into too much general categories, searching for specific subcategories. Greetings. --Dэя-Бøяg 01:20, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Re:60k

Thanks for those erm...reassuring words! It gets worse when you look at the month-by-month edit graph. :( Cs-wolves(talk) 18:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Only 2,000 in a month. Calming down, ever so slowly! Ah yes, remember to take a jacket! Haha! Cs-wolves(talk) 18:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Oasis reverted edits

Hey Bjmullan. When reverting an edit, please also warn (or notify) the user you reverted, especially in this article, which is controversial (seenotice (and ban). Cheers - CETTALK 08:52, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Will do and thanks. Bjmullan (talk) 09:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

BISE stuff

Such comments by hot-headed editors (like TR or Mick) simple don't phaze me. I'm a tad concerned though, about the possibilty that you've replacedBritish Isles in an article, without bringing it to BISE first. GoodDay (talk) 14:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

GoodDay what are you actually trying to achieve with you recent comments on the pages of TFWOR and TR? Mo ainm~Talk 14:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm trying to sort out their differences. GoodDay (talk) 14:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

How by saying ah sure the comments weren't bad? So long as editors feel they can comment on other editors instead of the issues then nothing will be done. Mo ainm~Talk 14:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Just pointing out, that TR, LB & LM (for example) have rarely posted negative things at me. Why? coz, that can't get under my skin.GoodDay (talk) 14:43, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

British Sky Broadcasting

Some information for interested parties regarding my involvement at the article BSkyB

1. Contrary to the beliefs of some editors on Wikipedia, who may or may not be restricted themselves, I am under no restrictions regarding the addition/removal of the term “British Isles”.

The General sanctions at the British Isles Probation Log states... Any editor who systematically adds or removes the term "British Isles" from multiple articles without clear sourcing and justification, or who edit-wars over such addition or removal, may be added to the list of topic-banned editors. I have not been added to this list.

2. Immediately after making my edit at BSkyB I notified WP:BISE with a clear summary of the reason for my edit. Edithere and the notification to BISE two minutes later here

3. To use the term UK + I instead of BI is not an erroneous error but a statement that can be backed up by references from the Sky Corporate website. To claim otherwise is just an attempt to stir up controversy over a legitimate edit. Seehere. [3],here, [4],here, [5],here ...

I hope this helps to clear up any misunderstandings. Bjmullan (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I thought we were suppose to propose such additions/deletions at BISE first. That's why I haven't been making any additions or deletions.GoodDay (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps GoodDay you could provide a diff for this thought as I am unaware of it. BTW I hope the move is going/went ok!Bjmullan(talk) 22:50, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I've no diffs (that I can think of). Anyways, no probs. GoodDay (talk) 23:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (October)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year III · Issue 10 · October 4, 2010 – November 1, 2010 Previous month's issue
New users New members – Anish9807 (talk · contribs) (October 7) Noobleton (talk · contribs) (October 7) F1Krazy (talk · contribs) (October 12) Gabriele Deulofleu (talk · contribs) (October 15) New recipients – Noobleton (talk · contribs) (October 7) Francesco Malipiero (talk · contribs) (October 11) Matthewedwards (talk · contribs) (October 26) New editors – WikiProject news Check out Apterygial's My Insane Idea userproject, which aims to improve the 2008 Formula One season article and that season's Grands Prix to Featured Topic status. Newsletter news	Article developments Formula One articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 3 4 5 12 FL 1 2 1 4 A 2 2 GA 3 6 10 6 25 B 18 30 37 45 130 C 5 34 32 47 118 Start 15 95 159 357 177 803 Stub 38 104 1,135 353 1,630 List 3 9 12 2 26 Category 6 27 33 Disambig 3 3 6 Portal 30 5 35 Project 23 31 54 Redirect 2 1 2 4 9 Template 44 102 146 NA 9 9 18 Assessed 48 218 364 1,593 117 711 3,051 Unassessed 123 123 Total 48 218 364 1,593 117 834 3,174 See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Article alerts Ongoing Peer Reviews – 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix
Editors' Comment Users are always welcome to help us with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors – Midgrid (talk · contribs) Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) How to help WPF1 – Expand the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Article requests: Erich Zakowski, Daniele Coronna, Hans Fouche, Chris Radage, Giorgio Stirano, Steve Tarrant, Intertechnique, 10 Tenths, Elf Masters, Toyota TF110 Copyedit: Bahrain Grand Prix, History of Formula One, Monaco Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix, Rob White (Formula One), Rob Smedley Expand: F1-X Dubai, Honda RA271, Paddy Lowe, Red Bull RB3, Spyker F1, Toyota TF107, BMW Sauber F1.07, Mario Theissen, Franz Tost, Chinese Grand Prix, Colin Kolles, Concorde Agreement, Formula One Constructors Association, McLaren MP4/1, Ove Andersson, Bob Bell, Korean International Circuit, Grand Prix Drivers' Association, Spyker F8-VII, Arai (company), Shoei, Schuberth Helme GmbH, Bell Racing Company, Jim Bamber, Nazir Hoosein, Formula One video games, Make Cars Green, Jonathan Legard, Michael Turner (illustrator) more Update: History of Formula One, Toyota, Robert Doornbos, Formula One regulations, 2024 Formula One season, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri F1, Divina Galica, Grand Prix World Championship Images needed: Max Mosley, Sakon Yamamoto, Jordan Grand Prix circa 1992-1997, Paddy Lowe, 2008 Turkish Grand Prix more For more work, see this generated list or the Auxiliary list
Images Below is the F1 Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. Bernd Mayländer lapping the safety car during the 2010 Japanese Grand Prix weekend. Qualifying was postponed to Sunday morning due to torrential rain; the first such occasion since 2004. New images 2010 Other
Article of the month – 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix, currently undergoing WP:PR The 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix (formally the XXIII ING Magyar Nagydíj) was a Formula One motor race held on August 3, 2008, at Hungaroring in Mogyoród, near Budapest, Hungary. It was the 11th race of the 2008 Formula One season. Contested over 70 laps, the race was won by Heikki Kovalainen for the McLaren team, from a second position start. Timo Glock finished second in a Toyota car, with Kimi Räikkönen third in a Ferrari. It was Kovalainen's first Formula One victory, which made him the sport's 100th driver to win a World Championship race, and was Glock's first podium finish. The majority of the race was dominated by a duel between Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa, who drove for McLaren and Ferrari respectively. Hamilton started from pole position on the starting grid but was beaten at the first corner by Massa, who passed him around the outside. The two championship rivals began a battle for the lead that was resolved when Hamilton sustained a punctured tyre just over half-way through the race, giving Massa a comfortable lead. The Ferrari's engine, however, failed with three laps of the race remaining, allowing Kovalainen to win. (More...)
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Fernando Alonso Ferrari 231 2nd Mark Webber Red Bull 220 3rd Lewis Hamilton McLaren 210 4th Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 206 5th Jenson Button McLaren 189 6th Felipe Massa Ferrari 143 7th Robert Kubica Renault 124 8th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 122 9th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 66 10th Rubens Barrichello Williams 47 11th Adrian Sutil Force India 47 12th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber 31 13th Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India 21 14th Vitaly Petrov Renault 19 15th Nico Hülkenberg Williams 18 16th Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso 8 17th Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber 6 18th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 6 19th Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 3 20th Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 0 21st Jarno Trulli Lotus 0 22nd Karun Chandhok Hispania 0 23rd Bruno Senna Hispania 0 24th Lucas di Grassi Virgin 0 25th Timo Glock Virgin 0 26th Sakon Yamamoto Hispania 0 Christian Klien Hispania 0 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Entered Chassis Points 1st Red Bull Racing RB6 426 2nd Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-25 399 3rd Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro F10 374 4th Mercedes GP Petronas MGP W01 188 5th Renault F1 Team R30 143 6th Force India F1 Team VJM03 68 7th AT&T Williams FW32 65 8th BMW Sauber F1 Team C29 43 9th Scuderia Toro Rosso STR5 11 10th Lotus Racing T127 0 11th Hispania Racing F1 Team F110 0 12th Virgin Racing VR-01 0 See 2010 Formula One season for more information
Japanese Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:30:27.323 2nd Mark Webber Red Bull + 0.905 3rd Fernando Alonso Ferrari + 2.721 4th Jenson Button McLaren + 13.522 5th Lewis Hamilton McLaren + 39.595 6th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP + 59.933 7th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber + 1:04.038 8th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber + 1:09.648 9th Rubens Barrichello Williams + 1:10.846 10th Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso + 1:12.806 Fastest Lap: Mark Webber 1:33.474 on lap 53 Japanese Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:30.785 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:30.853 Row two Robert Kubica Renault 1:31.231 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:31.352 Row three Jenson Button McLaren 1:31.378 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:31.494 Row four Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:31.535 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:31.1691 Row five Nico Hülkenberg Williams 1:31.559 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:31.846 1 – Hamilton originally qualified 3rd but was demoted five places after a gearbox change. Hamilton to drop five places on Suzuka grid FriP1: Red Bull out front as Hamilton crashes FriP2: Red Bull retain their grip in Japan SatP: A washout at Suzuka Qualifying postponed until Sunday at Suzuka Qualifying: Vettel on pole at sunny Suzuka Race: Vettel cruises to victory in Japan
Korean Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Fernando Alonso Ferrari 2:48:20.8101 2nd Lewis Hamilton McLaren + 14.999 3rd Felipe Massa Ferrari + 30.868 4th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP + 39.688 5th Robert Kubica Renault + 47.734 6th Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India + 53.571 7th Rubens Barrichello Williams + 1:09.257 8th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber + 1:17.889 9th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber + 1:20.107 10th Nico Hülkenberg Williams + 1:20.851 Fastest Lap: Fernando Alonso 1:50.257 on lap 42 Korean Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:35.585 Mark Webber Red Bull 1:35.659 Row two Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:35.766 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:36.062 Row three Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:36.535 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:36.571 Row four Jenson Button McLaren 1:36.731 Robert Kubica Renault 1:36.824 Row five Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:36.950 Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:36.998 1 – Total time includes time elapsed under red flag conditions. FriP1: Hamilton quickest in Korea FriP2: Webber stakes Korea claim for Red Bull SatP: Kubica tops tightly-fought session Qualifying: Vettel flies to Korean pole for Red Bull Race: Alonso wins, double DNF for Red Bull

– Cs-wolves(talk) 18:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Giants Causeway

Hi Bjmullan, I couldnt find the discussion on Northern Ireland is/not a Country? Can you tell me where it is? Also, why should the Giants Causeway page be different from every other page relating to Northern Ireland?Factocop (talk) 16:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

For your first question try here for your second try reading the thread at the article. Now can you please go and ask other people questions. As I pointed out earlier I am not here to answer your questions. Bjmullan (talk) 17:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

OK thanks for the link. Could of done that in the first place. Would of caused less agro. as for your 2nd point. I have read the thread but in typical fashion you refuse to answer my question. I am not asking why you think Northern Ireland is not a country, I am asking you why YOU think this page should have a different location to every other Northern Ireland related page? Do you understand? Do you have an answer, yes or no? there is no shame if you cant answer the question. It only highlights your lack of a point.Factocop (talk) 18:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The very simple reason is that in the case of the Giants Causeway it is a UNESCO World Heritage Site. Bjmullan (talk) 18:10, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

And what is your point?Factocop (talk) 09:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Given that the template is a geobox and not a UNESCO template, the page will be changed to reflect all other Northern Ireland related pages. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGiant27s_Causeway&action=historysubmit&diff=267427593&oldid=259262986.Thankyou.Factocop (talk) 11:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Lane discipline

I have made it clear that I have no intention of turning the policy discussion at WP:VERIFY into yet another British Isles renaming dispute.

If you would like to remove your comments to the RFC on the use of the term British Isles, I will answer it there otherwise, if you do not give me permission to remove it, I will ignore it.

Thanks but we need to have some lane discipline. --LevenBoy (talk) 03:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

You may have sought my permission to move my comments but you did not get it but you still went ahead with the move. Please do not remove any of my comments. Thank you. Bjmullan (talk) 08:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Re:Plastic bullet

There's not even an attempt at a non-free use rationale. Whether the image is being discussed somewhere or not, it unambiguously fails our non-free content criteria. Please do not add it back. J Milburn (talk) 11:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

You have just broken the 1RR and I will report you for this. Bjmullan (talk) 12:07, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. The image unambiguously fails our non-free content criteria- you cannot edit war to keep an image for which no rationale is provided in an article, whether you're discussing it somewhere or not (and I was not aware of any discussion at the time). I am removing the image again- if you continue to force the image into the article while it fails the NFCC, you will be blocked. Whether you like them or not, the NFCC are as much a policy as anything else. J Milburn (talk) 12:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Two things to be aware of. The use of this image is currently being discussed hereandhere. You have not participated in either discussion and the validity of the image has not yet been settled. You reverts could be considering warring. Secondly this article is be part ofThe Troubles and as such falls under the strict 1RR rule which you have broken. Just for information when you are not sure if an article does fall under the 1RR then you should err on the side of caution. I see that you have reverted again after I have pointed this out. Bjmullan(talk) 12:57, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Discussion is nice, but it doesn't change the fact it fails the NFCC, as has been explained. No amount of sophistry can get around that, and while it does, it cannot be used in the article, and any edit placing it in the article is downright disruptive. (There's no notice about any 1RR on the talk page or the edit notice or anything, I don't know how you expect people to know. I haven't read the article, I assumed it was about, y'know, bullets.)J Milburn (talk) 13:08, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Well now you do know. Any article the can be considered about the Trouble is under a strict 1RR and as I said above when in doubt err on the side of caution. Also for your information just because I call you or another one else for that matter "guy" doesn't mean I'm treating you or anyone else like shit. You have a nice day and chill. Bjmullan (talk) 13:18, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (November)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year III · Issue 11 · November 1, 2010 – December 6, 2010 Previous month's issue
New users New members – GregRustFan (talk · contribs) (November 10) VanBurns (talk · contribs) (November 13) V8fan (talk · contribs) (November 26) Astonmartini (talk · contribs) (November 27) Cherkash (talk · contribs) (November 29) New recipients – New editors – WikiProject news Check out Apterygial's My Insane Idea userproject, which aims to improve the 2008 Formula One season article and that season's Grands Prix to Featured Topic status. Newsletter news	Article developments Formula One articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 5 8 13 FL 3 6 3 9 21 GA 2 9 32 76 119 B 24 29 51 90 194 C 27 66 114 329 536 Start 11 125 370 1,373 1,879 Stub 1 6 126 1,348 1,481 List 10 23 21 1 55 Category 1 718 719 Disambig 17 17 File 179 179 Portal 34 34 Project 112 112 Redirect 1 11 2,138 2,150 Template 337 337 Other 8 8 Assessed 68 257 727 3,258 3,544 7,854 Unassessed 1 1 Total 68 257 727 3,258 3,544 1 7,855 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 21,245 Ω = 5.03 See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Article alerts Current Featured Article Candidates – 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix Completed Peer Reviews -- 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix New articles – Adam Parr
Editors' Comment Users are always welcome to help us with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors – Midgrid (talk · contribs) Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) How to help WPF1 – Expand the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Article requests: Erich Zakowski, Daniele Coronna, Hans Fouche, Chris Radage, Giorgio Stirano, Steve Tarrant, Intertechnique, 10 Tenths, Elf Masters, Toyota TF110 Copyedit: Bahrain Grand Prix, History of Formula One, Monaco Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix, Rob White (Formula One), Rob Smedley Expand: F1-X Dubai, Honda RA271, Paddy Lowe, Red Bull RB3, Spyker F1, Toyota TF107, BMW Sauber F1.07, Mario Theissen, Franz Tost, Chinese Grand Prix, Colin Kolles, Concorde Agreement, Formula One Constructors Association, McLaren MP4/1, Ove Andersson, Bob Bell, Korean International Circuit, Grand Prix Drivers' Association, Spyker F8-VII, Arai (company), Shoei, Schuberth Helme GmbH, Bell Racing Company, Jim Bamber, Nazir Hoosein, Formula One video games, Make Cars Green, Jonathan Legard, Michael Turner (illustrator) more Update: History of Formula One, Toyota, Robert Doornbos, Formula One regulations, 2024 Formula One season, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri F1, Divina Galica, Grand Prix World Championship Images needed: Max Mosley, Sakon Yamamoto, Jordan Grand Prix circa 1992-1997, Paddy Lowe, 2008 Turkish Grand Prix more For more work, see this generated list or the Auxiliary list
Images Below is the F1 Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. Sebastian Vettel won the 2010 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the World Drivers' Championship, after rivals Fernando Alonso and Mark Webber made strategic errors. Vettel is the sport's youngest-ever World Champion. New images 2010
Article of the month – 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix, current Featured Article candidate The 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix (formally the XXIII ING Magyar Nagydíj) was a Formula One motor race held on August 3, 2008, at Hungaroring in Mogyoród, near Budapest, Hungary. It was the 11th race of the 2008 Formula One season. Contested over 70 laps, the race was won by Heikki Kovalainen for the McLaren team, from a second position start. Timo Glock finished second in a Toyota car, with Kimi Räikkönen third in a Ferrari. It was Kovalainen's first Formula One victory, which made him the sport's 100th driver to win a World Championship race, and was Glock's first podium finish. The majority of the race was dominated by a duel between Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa, who drove for McLaren and Ferrari respectively. Hamilton started from pole position on the starting grid but was beaten at the first corner by Massa, who passed him around the outside. The two championship rivals began a battle for the lead that was resolved when Hamilton sustained a punctured tyre just over half-way through the race, giving Massa a comfortable lead. The Ferrari's engine, however, failed with three laps of the race remaining, allowing Kovalainen to win. Räikkönen set the race's fastest lap in the other Ferrari, but was hampered by a poor qualifying performance and was stuck behind Alonso and Glock in turn for almost all of the race. Robert Kubica, another championship contender, finished eighth after finding his BMW Sauber car to be uncompetitive at the Hungaroring. (More...)
Drivers' Championship Position Driver Team Points 1st Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 256 2nd Fernando Alonso Ferrari 252 3rd Mark Webber Red Bull 242 4th Lewis Hamilton McLaren 240 5th Jenson Button McLaren 214 6th Felipe Massa Ferrari 144 7th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 142 8th Robert Kubica Renault 136 9th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 72 10th Rubens Barrichello Williams 47 11th Adrian Sutil Force India 47 12th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber 32 13th Vitaly Petrov Renault 27 14th Nico Hülkenberg Williams 22 15th Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India 21 16th Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso 8 17th Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber 6 18th Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 6 19th Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso 5 20th Heikki Kovalainen Lotus 0 21st Jarno Trulli Lotus 0 22nd Karun Chandhok Hispania 0 23rd Bruno Senna Hispania 0 24th Lucas di Grassi Virgin 0 25th Timo Glock Virgin 0 26th Sakon Yamamoto Hispania 0 27th Christian Klien Hispania 0 Constructors' Championship Position Constructor Entered Chassis Points 1st Red Bull Racing RB6 498 2nd Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-25 454 3rd Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro F10 396 4th Mercedes GP Petronas MGP W01 214 5th Renault F1 Team R30 163 6th AT&T Williams FW32 69 7th Force India F1 Team VJM03 68 8th BMW Sauber F1 Team C29 44 9th Scuderia Toro Rosso STR5 13 10th Lotus Racing T127 0 11th Hispania Racing F1 Team F110 0 12th Virgin Racing VR-01 0 See 2010 Formula One season for more information
Brazilian Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:33:11.803 2nd Mark Webber Red Bull + 4.243 3rd Fernando Alonso Ferrari + 6.807 4th Lewis Hamilton McLaren + 14.634 5th Jenson Button McLaren + 15.593 6th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP + 35.320 7th Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP + 43.456 8th Nico Hülkenberg Williams + 1 lap 9th Robert Kubica Renault + 1 lap 10th Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber + 1 lap Fastest Lap: Lewis Hamilton 1:13.851 on lap 66 Brazilian Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Nico Hülkenberg Williams 1:14.470 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:15.519 Row two Mark Webber Red Bull 1:15.637 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:15.747 Row three Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:15.989 Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:16.203 Row four Robert Kubica Renault 1:16.552 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:16.925 Row five Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:17.101 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:17.656 FriP1: First blood to Vettel at Interlagos FriP2: Red Bull rule in Brazil SatP: Kubica surprises at wet Interlagos Qualifying: Hulkenberg rises to the challenge Race: Vettel wins to keep title hopes alive
Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Driver Constructor Race Time 1st Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:39:36.837 2nd Lewis Hamilton McLaren + 10.162 3rd Jenson Button McLaren + 11.047 4th Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP + 30.747 5th Robert Kubica Renault + 39.026 6th Vitaly Petrov Renault + 43.520 7th Fernando Alonso Ferrari + 43.797 8th Mark Webber Red Bull + 44.243 9th Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso + 50.201 10th Felipe Massa Ferrari + 50.868 Fastest Lap: Lewis Hamilton 1:41.274 on lap 47 Abu Dhabi Grid Line up Driver Constructor Time Row one Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:39.394 Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:39.425 Row two Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:39.792 Jenson Button McLaren 1:39.823 Row three Mark Webber Red Bull 1:39.925 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:40.202 Row four Rubens Barrichello Williams 1:40.203 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:40.516 Row five Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:40.589 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1:40.901 FriP1: Vettel sets strong early pace FriP2: Hamilton forges ahead SatP: Red Bull show their hand Qualifying: Vettel takes vital Yas Marina pole Race: Vettel grabs title with Abu Dhabi win The young gun's won! Vettel's title-winning season

--Midgrid(talk) 00:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Links

Your removed my link but not the others which fall into the same area —Precedingunsigned comment added by 67.101.66.2 (talk) 23:01, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

All gone. Bjmullan (talk) 00:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/MickMacNee

FYI, I've added a couple sentences to my outside view, which you endorsed. You may wish to review it to ensure you're still fine with my comments.  RGTraynor  01:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Your additions are fine. Bjmullan (talk) 11:59, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Places of birth

For consistency the first paragraph has been moved from the talk page of user:SE7:

I have noticed that you have been doing a mass update of peoples place of birth which is most cases is not required (overlinking) or just down right incorrect. As an example Birkenhead is not in Cheshire it is in Merseyside. Also when you revert someone's edit can you please give a reason in the edit summary and not use the minor tag in this cases. If you are unsure of when to use the minor tag I suggest you readWP:Minor.Bjmullan (talk) 22:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Was Oscar Wilde born in the Republic of Ireland? Was George Washington born in the United States of America? No, of course not, because neither place existed at the time of those figures' birth. The same is true of someone born before about 1975 and Liverpool, 1965 and London/Middlesex/Essex/Surrey, etc etc.

I take your point that overlinking is undesirable, and therefore recent edits have not linked to the England page. Otherwise I cannot accept your point, as it is incorrect.SE7^Talk/_Contribs22:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I feel that in the example above that using just Birkenhead, UK or Birkenhead, United Kingdom or Birkenhead, UKwould be preferred rather than introducing a defunct county (which has already confused another editor at Karl McCartney). Also when British politicians are involved I think it is more appropriate to use UK and not England. I do not wish to get into an edit war with you and due to the large number of similar edits you have done I think that it is only correct that we get the input of other editors. To this end I will added a note to both the talk pages of the UK Project and thePolitics of the UK projects. Bjmullan (talk) 11:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

It's not an issue of "introducing a defunct country"; England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are the four constituent countries of the United Kingdom. Much the same as putting a US state - you wouldn't find US politicians with birth places like "Boston, USA" - nor indeed, would you find a US politician with "USA" in their birth place section on the infobox, because it is obvious unless otherwise stated. As is the case for the UK.SE7^Talk/_Contribs16:24, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Defunct county not country i.e. Cheshire. Bjmullan (talk) 16:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I do beg your pardon. The example of George Washington et al still stands, in so far as Liverpool was in Lancashire unless you were born after 1974, which most MPs from Liverpool weren't. For those after, of course they are from Liverpool, Merseyside, but Merseyside didn't exist before. SE7^Talk/_Contribs16:51, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Why introduce a redundant additional item into the place of birth? Can you answer this question? Liverpool, UK is more than fine as is Birkenhead, UK etc. etc. Let's keep it simple. Liverpool has always been in Liverpool and since 1707 the UK (in one form or another) has also been the UK. Bjmullan (talk) 16:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, as before, the "UK" bit is obvious, unless otherwise stated - or British politicians have to have a completely different set of rules to US politicians, who, as previously mentioned, would never have their birthplace referred to as "Cambridge, USA", etc. As for the "Liverpool, UK" rule, what about Kingston? "Kingston, UK" doesn't work, because you could mean the one in Cambridgeshire, the one on the Isle of Wight, the one in Devon, the one in Kent, the one in Hampshire, the one in Dorset, the one on the Isle of Purbeck, the one in West Sussex, the other one in West Sussex, the one in East Sussex, the one in Nottinghamshire, the one in East Lothian, the one in Moray, or the two most (and equally) famous ones,Kingston upon Hull and Kingston upon Thames; you could also mean the Royal Borough which takes its name from the latter of the two. Better not to confuse readers, isn't it? SE7^Talk/_Contribs17:24, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

In the majority of cases using the town/city and then UK is more the enough information. In the cases above they can be easily covers by using there full WP name or common name. e.g. Kingston, Cambridgeshire, UK ; Kingston, Kent, UK ; Hull, UK. I see no reason for any other additional information. I see that user:Cj1340 seems to agree with my point of view and I suggest that you refrain from any addition edits of this type until this matter is resolved. Bjmullan (talk) 19:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

How and when will this be "resolved"? Or is a two-person consensus sufficient now? You will also have noticed that your "suggestion" was unnecessary as my edits ceased some time ago now. SE7^Talk/_Contribs19:44, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

This as with all disputes on WP will be resolved with consensus (which is not a vote). As it's the Christmas holiday we shouldn't be in any rush to close this. My argument is that your additional bring nothing new to the articles (other than confusion (see Karl McCartney for an example of this)). Your only counter has been to use Kingston as an obscure reason for adding defunct additional address information. May I suggest that you look at the Post Office to see how they address things that can be sent from anywhere in the world and arrive at their destination. You can find ithere.

I think we can also add user:Wereon to the people who disagree with your edits. See their edit summaryhere.Bjmullan(talk) 12:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I need clarification: Is the discussion about inclusion/exclusion of counties? GoodDay (talk) 00:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

GD it's mainly about the addition of redundant or un-necessary address information and also using England when UK is more appropriate. As an example SE7 changed the place of birth of Elizabeth Truss from Oxford to Oxford, Oxfordshire, England. This is not about a single edit but a mass update of over 300 articles by SE7. Bjmullan (talk) 19:12, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

My 2c. Always use current placenames, unless the use of a historic or older placename is important within the context of the article in question. So it would be correct to say that Oscar Wilde was born in Dublin, Ireland. Equally correct to say that George Washington was born in Westmoreland County in the Colony of Virginia, and it wouldn't be incorrect to say that Westmoreland County is located in the USA.

I see no reason to record that Karl McCartney was born in "Birkenhead (then Cheshire)" - why is it appropriate to the article?

I don't understand why using "Birkenhead, England" is less appropriate than "Birkenhead, UK" - it's appropriately disambiguated... --HighKing (talk) 21:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

HighKing, are you seriously saying Oscar Wilde was born in the Republic of Ireland? He died before it came about! That's exactly the same as saying Washington, Jefferson, et al were born in the USA - at least they were alive when the US came into existence! SE7^Talk/_Contribs01:25, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Wilde wasn't born in the RoI but rather the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, if only we had an article of Ireland, when it was a part of the UK 1801 to 1920's, that we could link to. As for Truss? just use England, since the American bios & Canadian bios use states & provinces/territories. GoodDay (talk) 06:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

@SE7, are you seriously saying that you've read what I said above? Oscar Wilde was born in Dublin. Now, unless it is somehow relevant to the article that the name of the country, as it was then, is required in the article to place some fact or attribute in the appropriate context, then I'd leave out the country altogether. For those that need to disambiguate the location in question, I'd disambiguate by using the modern-day name since the disambiguation applies in the context of the location, not the article. Therefore, if you aren't happy with "Dublin" and feel the need to clarify a particular "Dublin", then use "Ireland" as above. Or do what lots of other articles do, and use County Dublin. On the other hand, if it is relevant to the article and content to mention the historical name of the country within an article, go ahead.

@SE7, you appear to be adding address information to articles. I don't see the relevance to the articles in questions, and in my opinion it appears unnecessary. In general, country names are left off articles on historical people as that information is unnecessary. --HighKing(talk) 11:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

HK has just said (in a better way) what I was trying to say. I think that we need to review all of the changes you made and revert those that don't have a particular historical significant to the article (and/or) when there is not disambiguate. Bjmullan (talk) 16:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

@SE7 as you have not responded to this proposal I will take it that you are in broad agreement? When I get a chance I will review the edits you made and if I think appropriate I will revert and add a note to the articles talkpage which will allow you and others to have a input (as per BRD). As we are talking about 300+ articles don't expect this to be fully completed any time soon. Bjmullan (talk) 18:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (December)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year III · Issue 12 · December 6, 2010 – December 31, 2010 Previous month's issue
New users New members – Brainybrainiac (talk · contribs) (December 15) Ronhjones (talk · contribs) (December 29) Maimai009 (talk · contribs) (December 31) New recipients – New editors – WikiProject news Check out Apterygial's My Insane Idea userproject, which aims to improve the 2008 Formula One season article and that season's Grands Prix to Featured Topic status. Newsletter news	Article developments Formula One articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 3 4 5 12 FL 1 2 1 4 A 2 2 GA 3 6 10 6 25 B 18 30 36 45 129 C 5 33 35 51 124 Start 15 95 159 359 177 805 Stub 33 104 1,136 351 1,624 List 3 9 12 2 26 Category 32 1 33 Disambig 5 1 6 Portal 35 35 Project 54 1 55 Redirect 2 1 5 1 9 Template 136 10 146 NA 16 3 19 Assessed 48 212 366 1,600 283 545 3,054 Unassessed 127 127 Total 48 212 366 1,600 283 672 3,181 See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Article alerts Failed Featured Article Candidates – 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix Current Good Article Nominees -- Indianapolis Motor Speedway
Editors' Comment Users are always welcome to help us with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors – Midgrid (talk · contribs) Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) How to help WPF1 – Expand the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Article requests: Erich Zakowski, Daniele Coronna, Hans Fouche, Chris Radage, Giorgio Stirano, Steve Tarrant, Intertechnique, 10 Tenths, Elf Masters Copyedit: Bahrain Grand Prix, History of Formula One, Monaco Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix, Rob White (Formula One), Rob Smedley Expand: F1-X Dubai, Honda RA271, Paddy Lowe, Red Bull RB3, Spyker F1, Toyota TF107, BMW Sauber F1.07, Mario Theissen, Franz Tost, Chinese Grand Prix, Colin Kolles, Concorde Agreement, Formula One Constructors Association, McLaren MP4/1, Ove Andersson, Bob Bell, Korean International Circuit, Grand Prix Drivers' Association, Spyker F8-VII, Arai (company), Shoei, Schuberth Helme GmbH, Bell Racing Company, Jim Bamber, Nazir Hoosein, Formula One video games, Make Cars Green, Jonathan Legard, Michael Turner (illustrator) more Update: History of Formula One, Toyota, Robert Doornbos, Formula One regulations, 2024 Formula One season, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri F1, Divina Galica, Grand Prix World Championship Images needed: Max Mosley, Sakon Yamamoto, Jordan Grand Prix circa 1992-1997, Paddy Lowe, 2008 Turkish Grand Prix more For more work, see this generated list or the Auxiliary list
Images Below is the F1 Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. A very Happy Christmas and all the best for 2011. New images 2010
Article of the month – Indianapolis Motor Speedway, current Good article nominee. The Indianapolis Motor Speedway, located in Speedway, Indiana (an enclave suburb of Indianapolis) in theUnited States, is the home of the Indianapolis 500-Mile Race and the Brickyard 400. It has existed since 1909, and is the original Speedway, the first racing facility historically to incorporate the word. With a permanent seating capacity for more than 257,000 people and infield seating that raises capacity to approximately 400,000, it is the largest and highest-capacity sporting facility in the world. Considered relatively flat by American standards but high-banked by Europeans, the track is a two-and-a-half-mile, nearly rectangular oval with dimensions that have remained essentially unchanged since its inception: four 1/4-mile turns, two 5/8-mile long straightaways between the fourth and first and second and third turns, and two 1/8-mile short straightaways, termed "short chutes," between the first and second, and third and fourth turns. A modern infield road course was constructed between 1998 and 2000, incorporating the western and southern portions of the oval (including the southwest turn) to create a 2.605-mile (4.192 km) track. In 2008, the road course was modified to replace the southwest turn with an additional infield section, for motorcycle use, resulting in a 2.621-mile (4.218 km) course. Altogether, the current grounds have expanded from an original 320 acres (1.3 km2) on which the Speedway was first built to cover over an area of over 559. Placed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1975 and designated a National Historic Landmark in 1987, it currently remains the only such landmark to be affiliated with automotive racing history. In addition to the Indianapolis 500, the speedway also hosts NASCAR's Brickyard 400. From 2000 to 2007 the speedway also hosted the United States Grand Prix for Formula One. The inaugural USGP race drew an estimated 225,000 spectators, setting a Formula One attendance record. In 2008, the Speedway added the Indianapolis motorcycle Grand Prix, a Grand Prix motorcycle racing event. Since August 19, 1909, 248 automobile races have taken place, with 137 separate drivers winning. After winning his fifth United States Grand Prix at Indianapolis in 2006, Formula One driver Michael Schumacher holds the record for most victories between the three major events (Indianapolis 500, Brickyard 400 and theF1 USGP), with all taking place on the Forumula One version of the road course. A. J. Foyt, Al Unser and Rick Mears each won the Indianapolis 500 four times on the traditional oval, and Jeff Gordon has also won four times on the oval in the Brickyard 400. No driver to date has won any combination of the three major events, with only one driver, (Juan Pablo Montoya), having competed in all three, winning the Indy 500, finishing fourth in the US Grand Prix, and placing second in the Brickyard 400. Johnny Aitken holds the record for total wins at the track, with 15 victories (all on the oval), during the 1909, 1910 and 1916 seasons. (More...)
2011 Teams and Races From 2011 Formula One season 2011 Teams Team Constructor Drivers Car Red Bull Racing Red Bull Sebastian Vettel Red Bull RB7 Mark Webber Vodafone McLaren Mercedes McLaren Lewis Hamilton McLaren MP4-26 Jenson Button Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro Ferrari Fernando Alonso TBA Felipe Massa Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team Mercedes Michael Schumacher TBA Nico Rosberg Lotus Renault GP Renault Robert Kubica TBA Vitaly Petrov AT&T Williams F1 Team Williams Rubens Barrichello Williams FW33 Pastor Maldonado Force India F1 Team Force India TBA Force India VJM04 TBA Sauber F1 Team Sauber Kamui Kobayashi Sauber C30 Sergio Pérez Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso TBA Toro Rosso STR6 TBA Team Lotus Lotus Jarno Trulli TBA Heikki Kovalainen Hispania Racing F1 Team (HRT) Hispania TBA TBA TBA Marussia Virgin Racing Virgin Timo Glock Virgin VR-02 Jérôme d'Ambrosio 2011 Grands Prix Grand Prix Circuit Last Winner Date Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix Bahrain International Circuit Fernando Alonso 13 March Qantas Australian Grand Prix Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit Jenson Button 27 March Petronas Malaysia Grand Prix Sepang International Circuit Sebastian Vettel 10 April Chinese Grand Prix Shanghai International Circuit Jenson Button 17 April Turkish Grand Prix Istanbul Park Lewis Hamilton 8 May Gran Premio de España Circuit de Catalunya Mark Webber 22 May Grand Prix de Monaco Circuit de Monaco Mark Webber 29 May Grand Prix du Canada Circuit Gilles Villeneuve Lewis Hamilton 12 June European Grand Prix Valencia Street Circuit Sebastian Vettel 26 June Santander British Grand Prix Silverstone Circuit Mark Webber 10 July Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland Nürburgring Fernando Alonso 24 July Eni Magyar Nagydíj Hungaroring Mark Webber 31 July Belgian Grand Prix Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps Lewis Hamilton 28 August Gran Premio Santander d'Italia Autodromo Nazionale Monza Fernando Alonso 11 September Singapore Grand Prix Marina Bay Street Circuit Fernando Alonso 25 September Japanese Grand Prix Suzuka Circuit Sebastian Vettel 9 October Korean Grand Prix Korean International Circuit Fernando Alonso 16 October Indian Grand Prix Jaypee Group Circuit Inaugural Race 30 October Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Yas Marina Circuit Sebastian Vettel 13 November Grande Prêmio do Brasil Autódromo José Carlos Pace Sebastian Vettel 27 November

– Cs-wolves(talk) 18:23, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/O Fenian for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 00:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Yo!

How long, in your view, should I wait to see what consensus is on Derry, both in regards to Wikipedia in general and (more importantly, at least to me) on the City Status article? 86.178.52.148 (talk) 19:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I notice that you are a brand new editor and that your first edit was at the Irish Manual of Style. Seems a funny place to start editing at Wikipedia. Have you edited here before under a different name or IP address? Wikipedia does not approve of such practices I suggest that you should readWikipedia:Sock puppetry to learn about the guidelines. But then as your first edit was at a MOS you may already be familiar with these. As for your question about how long you should wait ... how long is a piece of string? May I suggest that you considering creating an account if you plan to continue to edit here. Bjmullan (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Yep, plenty of times under various IP addresses (but I explain that :p) - not sure what the point is in getting an account to be honest, I can edit fine without. 86.178.52.148 (talk) 20:53, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Feargal Sharkey

Actually in this case the term "vandalism" was precisely appropriate; see the userpage and the talkpage of this IP vandal, whose prolific abuses have earned the IP (it's in a Belfast library) a one-year block by adminDaniel Case. I am well aware that the issue is contentious. That is why I am concerned when unregistered users make unexplained and uncorroborated changes, violating the fragile balance of consensus. In this case I did not assume good faith for good reason. I followed the rules on WP:DERRY and chastized another editor for going too far as you will see if you review the Sharkey edit history page. Yours,Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 18:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Conundrum (ROI/NI) re Feargal Sharkey page

BJ: I referred to the action as vandalism based on the page's history with anonymous IP users. I will quote some of your fellow Wikipedians (all registered users) from Sharkey's talkpage, as you evidently did not read the message which I left you (above):

• His nationality must either be described as Northern Irish or British. He is not Irish, as that nationality relates to someone of the Republic of Ireland. I would prefer the location of his birth to state Northern Ireland, but given that he was born on the island of Ireland, I supposed it is not strictly a false statement to make. Tom Green (talk) 10:05, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• If IP editor 158.143.181.94 thinks that their version is more accurate then they should explain it. Has Sharkey, for instance, self Identified as Irish rather than Northern Irish? Until they do this their edits are unsupported, and suggest that they are simply opinion. Continually adding them back in against consensus without any attempt to discuss is liable to get IP editor 158.143.181.94 blocked. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 10:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

• The IP editor 158.143.181.94 continues to change this page (and the Undertones page) without getting involved in any discussion. I'm reverting and it looks like a block might be required. srushe (talk) 16:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

BJ: It appears that you are monitoring the Sharkey page but doing nothing when different users change the nationality back and forth. You take offense at the terminology I used ("vandalism") but are doing nothing to positively address this ongoing situation. If I rv anonymous IP edits without using the word "vandalism", is that OK? I mean, with respect, you take offense at the word vandalism but don't care what or how I edit, otherwise? That is not logical. We all know how contentious the ROI/Northern Ireland conundrum is, but you should take a position and defend it, because otherwise the switching of Northern Irish to Irish to Northern Irish back to Irish will continue forever, in all likelihood. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 22:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I hope you will respond to this when you are back onwiki (here is fine). Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 22:05, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

WPF1 Newsletter (January)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year IV · Issue 1 · January 1, 2011 – February 7, 2011 Previous month's issue
New users New members – Jonchapple (talk · contribs) (January 14) Deaþe gecweald (talk · contribs) (January 19) New recipients – Deaþe gecweald (talk · contribs) (January 19) New editors – WikiProject news Check out Apterygial's My Insane Idea userproject, which aims to improve the 2008 Formula One season article and that season's Grands Prix to Featured Topic status. Newsletter news	Article developments Formula One articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 3 4 5 12 FL 1 2 1 4 A 2 2 GA 3 6 10 6 25 B 18 30 35 44 127 C 5 33 36 56 130 Start 16 97 179 531 59 882 Stub 34 121 1,441 91 1,687 List 3 9 12 4 28 Category 378 378 Disambig 5 1 6 Portal 35 35 Project 54 1 55 Redirect 2 1 5 1 9 Template 137 10 147 NA 17 3 20 Assessed 49 215 403 2,083 631 166 3,547 Total 49 215 403 2,083 631 166 3,547 See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Article alerts Failed Good Article Nominees -- Indianapolis Motor Speedway Completed Peer Reviews -- 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix New articles – Ferrari F150 Force India VJM04 Hispania F111 Lotus T128 McLaren MP4-26 Mercedes MGP W02 Red Bull RB7 Renault R31 Sauber C30 Toro Rosso STR6 Virgin MVR-02 Williams FW33 Deletions – Formula One Future Races Majorcan Grand Prix
Editors' Comment Users are always welcome to help us with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors – Midgrid (talk · contribs) Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) How to help WPF1 – Expand the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Article requests: Erich Zakowski, Daniele Coronna, Hans Fouche, Chris Radage, Giorgio Stirano, Steve Tarrant, Intertechnique, 10 Tenths,Elf Masters Copyedit: Bahrain Grand Prix, History of Formula One, Monaco Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix, Rob White (Formula One), Rob Smedley Expand: F1-X Dubai, Honda RA271, Paddy Lowe, Red Bull RB3, Spyker F1, Toyota TF107, BMW Sauber F1.07, Mario Theissen, Franz Tost, Chinese Grand Prix, Colin Kolles, Concorde Agreement, Formula One Constructors Association, McLaren MP4/1, Ove Andersson, Bob Bell, Korean International Circuit, Grand Prix Drivers' Association, Spyker F8-VII, Arai (company), Shoei, Schuberth Helme GmbH, Bell Racing Company, Jim Bamber, Nazir Hoosein, Formula One video games, Make Cars Green, Jonathan Legard, Michael Turner (illustrator) more Update: History of Formula One, Toyota, Robert Doornbos, Formula One regulations, 2024 Formula One season, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri F1, Divina Galica, Grand Prix World Championship Images needed: Max Mosley, Sakon Yamamoto, Jordan Grand Prix circa 1992-1997, Paddy Lowe, 2008 Turkish Grand Prixmore For more work, see this generated list or the Auxiliary list
Images Below is the F1 Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. The WPF1 Newsletter wishes Robert Kubica a swift and full recovery from his injuries sustained in a rally accident in Italy. New images 2006 2011
Article of the month – 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix, peer-reviewed The 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix (formally the XXIII ING Magyar Nagydíj) was a Formula One motor race held on August 3, 2008, atHungaroring in Mogyoród, near Budapest, Hungary. It was the 11th race of the 2008 Formula One season. Contested over 70 laps, the race was won by Heikki Kovalainen for the McLaren team, from a second position start. Timo Glock finished second in aToyota car, with Kimi Räikkönen third in a Ferrari. It was Kovalainen's first Formula One victory, which made him the sport's 100th driver to win a World Championship race, and was Glock's first podium finish. The majority of the race consisted of a duel between Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa, who drove for McLaren and Ferrari respectively. Hamilton started from pole position on the starting grid but was beaten at the first corner by Massa, who passed him around the outside. The two championship rivals began a battle for the lead that was resolved when Hamilton sustained a punctured tyre just over half-way through the race, giving Massa a lead of over 20 seconds over Kovalainen. The Ferrari's engine, however, failed with three laps of the race remaining, allowing the McLaren driver to win. Räikkönen set the race's fastest lap in the other Ferrari, but was hampered by a poor qualifying performance and was stuck behind Alonso and Glock in turn for almost all of the race. As a consequence of the race result, Hamilton extended his lead in the World Drivers' Championship to five points over Räikkönen, with Massa a further three behind. Robert Kubica, who finished eighth after finding his BMW Sauber car to be uncompetitive at the Hungaroring, slipped to 13 points behind Hamilton, ahead of his team-mate Nick Heidfeld and Kovalainen. In the World Constructors' Championship, McLaren vaulted BMW Sauber for second position, 11 points behind Ferrari. (More...)
2011 Teams and Races From 2011 Formula One season 2011 Teams Team Constructor Drivers Car Red Bull Racing Red Bull Sebastian Vettel Red Bull RB7 Mark Webber Vodafone McLaren Mercedes McLaren Lewis Hamilton McLaren MP4-26 Jenson Button Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro Ferrari Fernando Alonso Ferrari F150 Felipe Massa Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team Mercedes Michael Schumacher Mercedes MGP W02 Nico Rosberg Lotus Renault GP Renault Robert Kubica Renault R31 Vitaly Petrov AT&T Williams F1 Team Williams Rubens Barrichello Williams FW33 Pastor Maldonado Force India F1 Team Force India Adrian Sutil Force India VJM04 Paul di Resta Sauber F1 Team Sauber Kamui Kobayashi Sauber C30 Sergio Pérez Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso STR6 Jaime Alguersuari Team Lotus Lotus Jarno Trulli Lotus T128 Heikki Kovalainen Hispania Racing F1 Team (HRT) Hispania Narain Karthikeyan Hispania F111 TBA Marussia Virgin Racing Virgin Timo Glock Virgin MVR-02 Jérôme d'Ambrosio 2011 Grands Prix Grand Prix Circuit Last Winner Date Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix Bahrain International Circuit Fernando Alonso 13 March Qantas Australian Grand Prix Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit Jenson Button 27 March Petronas Malaysia Grand Prix Sepang International Circuit Sebastian Vettel 10 April Chinese Grand Prix Shanghai International Circuit Jenson Button 17 April Turkish Grand Prix Istanbul Park Lewis Hamilton 8 May Gran Premio de España Circuit de Catalunya Mark Webber 22 May Grand Prix de Monaco Circuit de Monaco Mark Webber 29 May Grand Prix du Canada Circuit Gilles Villeneuve Lewis Hamilton 12 June European Grand Prix Valencia Street Circuit Sebastian Vettel 26 June Santander British Grand Prix Silverstone Circuit Mark Webber 10 July Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland Nürburgring Fernando Alonso 24 July Eni Magyar Nagydíj Hungaroring Mark Webber 31 July Belgian Grand Prix Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps Lewis Hamilton 28 August Gran Premio Santander d'Italia Autodromo Nazionale Monza Fernando Alonso 11 September Singapore Grand Prix Marina Bay Street Circuit Fernando Alonso 25 September Japanese Grand Prix Suzuka Circuit Sebastian Vettel 9 October Korean Grand Prix Korean International Circuit Fernando Alonso 16 October Indian Grand Prix Jaypee Group Circuit Inaugural Race 30 October Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Yas Marina Circuit Sebastian Vettel 13 November Grande Prêmio do Brasil Autódromo José Carlos Pace Sebastian Vettel 27 November

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Targetting articles containing British Isles

A significant number of your recent edits have been concerned with articles containing the words "British Isles". You have PRODed some articles, fact tagged others and in some cases carried out straight removal of the term. In the case of Strict Baptist a significant removal of material (including the words "British Isles") has occurred. Since your primary objective would appear to be elimination of the term rather than article improvement your actions could be regarded as gaming the system. I would like to give you this opportunity to explain your actions before taking the matter to AN/I. Thanks, LemonMonday Talk 21:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Informational note: this is to let you know that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Regards, LemonMonday Talk 20:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of the BI issues noted above, BLPPRODs cannot be used on articles created before 18 March 2010. This was the case for all the articles you tagged with BLPPROD so I have removed the ones that were remaining. As it happens a couple of articles have been referenced as a result so it has at least provoked some good! It would take a braver man than I to propose extending the blpprods before the date though....Quantpole(talk) 22:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Quantpole. I only realise this after the event and was going to remove them but as you said some good has come from it!Bjmullan (talk) 23:28, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Salsburgh Revert Of Vandelism

Many thanks for reverting the mindless vandelism of the Salsburgh wiki, much appreciated. (Brett ~ KaraokeMac (talk) 04:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC))

WPF1 Newsletter (February)

The WikiProject Formula One Newsletter Year IV · Issue 2 · February 7, 2011 – March 7, 2011 Previous month's issue
New users New members – Rrlopes (talk · contribs) (February 14) Colinmotox11 (talk · contribs) (March 1) New recipients – New editors – WikiProject news Check out Apterygial's My Insane Idea userproject, which aims to improve the 2008 Formula One season article and that season's Grands Prix to Featured Topic status. Newsletter news The newsletter is now being delivered automatically, by User:MessageDeliveryBot. From the next issue onwards, the bot will only deliver to active editors (i.e. those who have edited within the preceding three months).	Article developments Formula One articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 5 8 13 FL 3 6 3 9 21 GA 2 9 32 76 119 B 24 29 51 90 194 C 27 66 114 329 536 Start 11 125 370 1,373 1,879 Stub 1 6 126 1,348 1,481 List 10 23 21 1 55 Category 1 718 719 Disambig 17 17 File 179 179 Portal 34 34 Project 112 112 Redirect 1 11 2,138 2,150 Template 337 337 Other 8 8 Assessed 68 257 727 3,258 3,544 7,854 Unassessed 1 1 Total 68 257 727 3,258 3,544 1 7,855 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 21,245 Ω = 5.03 See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One/Article alerts New Featured Articles -- 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix
Editors' Comment Users are always welcome to help us with this newsletter. If you are interested, please leave a message on an existing editor's talkpage or sign up on the "Contributors" list of the central newsletter page, and we will tell you everything you need to know and answer your questions. Current contributors – Midgrid (talk · contribs) Cs-wolves (talk · contribs) Chubbennaitor (talk · contribs) How to help WPF1 – Expand the articles in Category:Formula One stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Article requests: Erich Zakowski, Daniele Coronna, Hans Fouche, Chris Radage, Giorgio Stirano, Steve Tarrant, Intertechnique, 10 Tenths, Elf Masters Copyedit: Bahrain Grand Prix, History of Formula One, Monaco Grand Prix, 2006 San Marino Grand Prix, Rob White (Formula One), Rob Smedley Expand: F1-X Dubai, Honda RA271, Paddy Lowe, Red Bull RB3, Spyker F1, Toyota TF107, BMW Sauber F1.07, Mario Theissen, Franz Tost, Chinese Grand Prix, Colin Kolles, Concorde Agreement, Formula One Constructors Association, McLaren MP4/1, Ove Andersson, Bob Bell, Korean International Circuit, Grand Prix Drivers' Association, Spyker F8-VII, Arai (company), Shoei, Schuberth Helme GmbH, Bell Racing Company, Jim Bamber, Nazir Hoosein, Formula One video games, Make Cars Green, Jonathan Legard, Michael Turner (illustrator) more Update: History of Formula One, Toyota, Robert Doornbos, Formula One regulations, 2024 Formula One season, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Super Aguri F1, Divina Galica, Grand Prix World Championship Images needed: Max Mosley, Sakon Yamamoto, Jordan Grand Prix circa 1992-1997, Paddy Lowe, 2008 Turkish Grand Prix more For more work, see this generated list or the Auxiliary list
Images Below is the F1 Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month and only from the current season. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE. Mark Webber's Red Bull RB7 during pre-season testing at Jerez in February 2011, testing the new-for-2011 adjustable rear wing system. New images 2010 2011 File:FERNANDOALONSO2011.jpg File:FERNANDOALOSO2011(2).jpg File:LOTUSRENAULT.jpg
Article of the month – 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix, new Featured Article The 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix (formally the Formula 1 ING Magyar Nagydíj 2008) was a Formula One motor race held on August 3, 2008, at the Hungaroring in Mogyoród, near Budapest, Hungary. It was the 11th race of the 2008 Formula One season. Contested over 70 laps, the race was won by Heikki Kovalainen for the McLaren team, from a second position start. Timo Glock finished second in a Toyota car, with Kimi Räikkönen third in a Ferrari. It was Kovalainen's first Formula One victory, which made him the sport's 100th driver to win a World Championship race, and it was Glock's first podium finish. The majority of the race consisted of a duel between Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa, who drove for McLaren and Ferrari, respectively. Hamilton started from pole position but was beaten at the first corner by Massa, who passed him around the outside. The two championship rivals began a battle for the lead that was resolved when Hamilton sustained a punctured tyre just over halfway through the race, giving Massa a lead of more than 20 seconds over Kovalainen. The Ferrari's engine, however, failed with three laps remaining, allowing the McLaren driver to win. Räikkönen set the race's fastest lap in the other Ferrari, but was hampered by a poor qualifying performance and was stuck behind Fernando Alonso (Renault) and Glock in turn for almost all of the race. As a consequence of the race, Hamilton extended his lead in the World Drivers' Championship to five points over Räikkönen, with Massa a further three behind. Robert Kubica, who finished eighth after finding his BMW Sauber car uncompetitive at the Hungaroring, slipped to 13 points behind Hamilton, ahead of teammate Nick Heidfeld and Kovalainen. In the World Constructors' Championship, McLaren passed BMW Sauber for second position, 11 points behind Ferrari. (More...)
2011 Teams and Races From 2011 Formula One season 2011 Teams Team Constructor Drivers Car Red Bull Racing Red Bull Sebastian Vettel Red Bull RB7 Mark Webber Vodafone McLaren Mercedes McLaren Lewis Hamilton McLaren MP4-26 Jenson Button Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro Ferrari Fernando Alonso Ferrari F150th Italia Felipe Massa Mercedes GP Petronas F1 Team Mercedes Michael Schumacher Mercedes MGP W02 Nico Rosberg Lotus Renault GP Renault Nick Heidfeld Renault R31 Vitaly Petrov AT&T Williams F1 Team Williams Rubens Barrichello Williams FW33 Pastor Maldonado Force India F1 Team Force India Adrian Sutil Force India VJM04 Paul di Resta Sauber F1 Team Sauber Kamui Kobayashi Sauber C30 Sergio Pérez Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso STR6 Jaime Alguersuari Team Lotus Lotus Jarno Trulli Lotus T128 Heikki Kovalainen Hispania Racing F1 Team (HRT) Hispania Narain Karthikeyan Hispania F111 TBA Marussia Virgin Racing Virgin Timo Glock Virgin MVR-02 Jérôme d'Ambrosio 2011 Grands Prix Grand Prix Circuit Last Winner Date Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix Bahrain International Circuit Fernando Alonso T.B.R. Qantas Australian Grand Prix Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit Jenson Button 27 March Petronas Malaysia Grand Prix Sepang International Circuit Sebastian Vettel 10 April Chinese Grand Prix Shanghai International Circuit Jenson Button 17 April Turkish Grand Prix Istanbul Park Lewis Hamilton 8 May Gran Premio de España Circuit de Catalunya Mark Webber 22 May Grand Prix de Monaco Circuit de Monaco Mark Webber 29 May Grand Prix du Canada Circuit Gilles Villeneuve Lewis Hamilton 12 June European Grand Prix Valencia Street Circuit Sebastian Vettel 26 June Santander British Grand Prix Silverstone Circuit Mark Webber 10 July Großer Preis Santander von Deutschland Nürburgring Fernando Alonso 24 July Eni Magyar Nagydíj Hungaroring Mark Webber 31 July Belgian Grand Prix Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps Lewis Hamilton 28 August Gran Premio Santander d'Italia Autodromo Nazionale Monza Fernando Alonso 11 September Singapore Grand Prix Marina Bay Street Circuit Fernando Alonso 25 September Japanese Grand Prix Suzuka Circuit Sebastian Vettel 9 October Korean Grand Prix Korean International Circuit Fernando Alonso 16 October Indian Grand Prix Jaypee Group Circuit Inaugural Race 30 October Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Yas Marina Circuit Sebastian Vettel 13 November Grande Prêmio do Brasil Autódromo José Carlos Pace Sebastian Vettel 27 November Footnotes:

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