User talk:Anthony Appleyard/2007/October

Super Mario RPG lists

Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Wikipedia:Trivia sections and Wikipedia:Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek#Cameos as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.

TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5#List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.

Per Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus can change, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's.

1. Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
2. Rename the articles by following the steps at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves.
3. Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
4. Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
5. Write the concept and creation section for the main article

TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Wikipedia:Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it.

Would you please take a look at Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and give us your thoughts? Taric25 06:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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• Talk:Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars contains much said for various opinions. Unfortunately, I do not play videogames and I know nothing about the Super Mario scenario, and therefore I feel not fully qualified to give an opinion on a discussion which has got so complicated. Anthony Appleyard 08:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your reply. Taric25 18:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hehe... what a move conflict

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:University_of_Dayton_Ghetto&action=history Duja► 10:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

0.999...

You added the following to the 0.999... article:

"In brief the form with the 999… can be changed into the form with the 000… by adding 1 to the last i.,e. infinitieth) digit, and carrying all the way to the left, e.g. 0.999999… = 1; 1.77999999… = 1.78."

Unfortunately, this can't work, since there is no "last digit" to add anything to. Please see the article talk page and the FAQ linked there for more information on this.

From the FAQ:

Q: Can't "1 - 0.999..." be expressed as "0.000...1"?

A: No. "0.000...1" is not a meaningful string of symbols because, although a decimal representation of a number has a potentially infinite number of decimal places, each of the decimal places is a finite distance from the decimal point; the meaning of digit d being k places past the decimal point is that the digit contributes d · 10^-k toward the value of the number represented. It may help to ask yourself how many places past the decimal point the "1" is. It cannot be an infinite number of places, because all places must be finite.

-- The Anome 10:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

On review: you've almost got the right idea with this, but the wrong way of going about it: it is true that

$1-0.999...=\lim _{narr\infty }10^{-n}=0$

with the limit term being what I think you meant by "0.000...1", which must, if it means anything at all, be zero. However, it does not have any meaning in the standard reals, and so the "add to the infinitieth decimal place" argument fails at that point.

All of this needs to be dealt with in much more detail, however, because a substantial number of those who can't accept 0.999... = 1 regard the first part of the equality given above as perfectly reasonable, but refuse to believe the second, because they can't accept that the limit of an inequality that is valid for all finite n can ever be an equality when the limit is taken.

Understanding why this the second equality is both meaningful and true actually requires a quite sophisticated understanding of what equality between real numbers means, which is explained further down the article. -- The Anome 10:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Camps Mohican Reena

Thanks so much for your help with the Camps Mohican Reena article. I'm trying hard to learn the proper way to do things. Robert Solomon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rodert430 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Template:"The Protocols

Check out: Template:"The Protocols (notice that there's only an opening quote.). Thanks. --Ludvikus 09:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Boii

Thanks for re-inserting, Anthony. Trigaranus 09:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

move of Homosexuality and Unitarian Universalism

• I just returned from a wikibreak and noticed that you moved Unitarian Universalism and LGBTQ persons to Homosexuality and Unitarian Universalism. If I understand your edit summary correctly you cite some kind of request. However, the talk page shows consensus for the old name and no discussion of the move. I would like to request that it be moved back pending consensus for the new name. --Alynna 13:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
• As in this edit of Wikipedia:Requested moves: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves&oldid=152643042#Uncontroversial_proposals Anthony Appleyard 10:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
• Doesn't the very fact that the edit has been questioned (and I share the same concern and was part of the talk page concensus for the LGBTQ name) mean that the uncontroversial, "no possibility of being questioned by anyone" part of that request is invalid? I think the name needs at least some more discussion. Aleta 01:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• That entry in that edit of "requested moves" said "Unitarian Universalism and LGBTQ persons → Homosexuality and Unitarian Universalism — All the other religions in Category:LGBT issues and religion follow the "Homosexuality and ZZZ" format. This one already has a redirect there, but should follow the same naming. —SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)" with nothing about the move being questioned. Do you want me to put an entry in asking for discussion for a move back? Anthony Appleyard 05:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

That might be good, or I'm a member of the LGBT studies project (as is SatyrTN, who made the initial request). I'm not sure which would be the better place for the discussion - ??? Aleta 19:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• At the bottom of section Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Uncontroversial_proposals is instructions how to insert a move request there. Anthony Appleyard 20:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD

Some splice issues were raised at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of states and territories of India (population, area, languages). Would you please comment at that AfD. Thanks. -- Jreferee t/c 06:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

elix / helix

(I have moved this conversation to the Talk:Helicopter page. --Born2flie 22:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC))

• Please note that, in a Greek word in the Greek alphabet, in standard ancient Greek, initial 'h' is represented by a rough breathing sign (like a very small raised 'c') and not by a letter. Anthony Appleyard 15:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The word is a transliteration of the greek alphabet and not a pronunciation aid. The word is spelled in the greek without a leading "h" and to place one there is inaccurate. You previously had no problem leaving the "h" off, and your edit summary that you know Greek is questionable in light of this diff. Are you suggesting that you now know Greek and are correcting your previous error? The greek word for "spirally", ελικοειδώς, appears to be the root word being discussed. If you disagree with the quoted source, which the text of the article, until now, has attempted to represent, then source it appropriately. However, your personal knowledge or current ongoing education in the greek language is considered OR. --Born2flie 22:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Red Star Belgrade

• Sorry, but I think you should check the difference between talk pages of Red Star Belgrade and Crvena Zvezda. These are as different as it can be, and that's the reason I made the proposal for the move.--Vitriden 00:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Danny Wallace

• Hi Anthony. Did you check the talk page before your recent move of the Danny Wallace article from "humorist" to "comedian"? This had already been discussed in talk and moved the other way. I think, therefore, that it would be appropriate to move it back again, since that was the (limited but no longer contested) consensus reached. I've not gone ahead and done this yet because I wanted to check your reasoning, but if it's just as you give in your move summary ("he's better known as ...") then essentially the discussion on the talk page begs to differ ;-) Please consider undoing your move. – Kieran T ^(talk) 09:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
• The move from "humorist" that you mention, is logged as:
  • 21:27, 30 August 2007 User:PoliceChief m (moved Danny Wallace (humorist) to Danny Wallace (Comedian): Moving page from 'humorist' to 'comedian', as he's more assosciated with his comedic side, even though he is humorous.)

  I did this move:-

  • 09:13, 13 October 2007 User:Anthony Appleyard m (moved Danny Wallace (Comedian) to Danny Wallace (comedian): req)

  which was listed in the uncontroversial move requests.

Anthony Appleyard 09:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Good grief, sorry about that — I have no idea how I managed to click a link to your talk page by mistake. Thanks for the clarification. – Kieran T ^(talk) 09:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Move of Template:Navbox music to Template:Navbox Musician

Hey Anthony, thanks for the quick move, but there's a double redir that needs to be fixed: Template:Infobox musical artist 2. It's a protected page, so I can't edit it myself. Also, there are two more related move requests that need to be done. —TigerK 69 14:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Spebi's monthly user space cleanout

Wikipedia talk:Article templates/Ambox-project; Yeah, you can go ahead and delete it. It's probably not much use anymore since I've requested deletion of all the other pages that make that particular one work ;) ~ Sebi _[talk] 11:42, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Dickey-Stephens Park

I noticed you re-started the Dickey-Stephens Park article. Thanks. For my own knowledge with regards to copyright violations, is it Wikipedia policy to delete the article and start a new one or to go back in the history to a point where is wasn't copyvio? Thanks again. Patken4 14:03, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Little King...

Hi. There being some very conflicting edits going on in Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Little King and the Promised Country frankly because the official English title for the game is yet to be announced. Coulnd't it just be retained to Chiisa na Ousama to Yakusoku no Kuni Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles to maintain the article's stability until the official English name is produced? I'm going by the WikiProject Video Games naming convention, as I said in the article's talkpage. — Blue。 14:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

• I went to make the move, then found that there had been a cut-and-paste move, so I history-merged (i.e. delete X, move Y to X, undelete X) to mend the history; during that, someone else moved one of the pages that I was working on. The page is now back in Chiisa na Ousama to Yakusoku no Kuni Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles. Anthony Appleyard 14:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for clearing it up :) I just hope the said game will have its official English title soon. Again, my thanks. — Blue。 14:17, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

MicroGraphicImage

Hi Anthony. I hope you don't mind but I've restored MicroGraphicImage which you speedy deleted as spam. This is a defunct company so it's a little bit of a stretch to call it advertising. The tone of the article is clearly problematic but it should be given a chance. I've tagged it and will keep it on my watchlist to see if it improves. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 15:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Christian Claudio

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Break Machine

• Their is no page on Keith Rodgers - I don't mind you helping me on my Break Machine page but deleting it? You’re just a troll. Even the French wikipedia has a Break Machine page for goodness sake. You’re a joke. I want my page back. I'm going to tell Jimbo to ban you from wikipedia for deleting things out of spite and jealousy. I am very interested in 80's hip hop and the early pioneers of the genre. You’re such a bully. Fatcud —Preceding comment was added at 21:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
• According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Break_Machine :
  • At 01:53, 16 July 2007 User:TheFearow tagged Break Machine as {{db-nocontext}}
  • At 05:07, 16 July 2007 User:Shell Kinney deleted Break Machine‎ "(WP:CSD Articles, subsection 7 - No assertion of notability is made by this person, music group, or organization)"

Anthony Appleyard 21:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

• • and it has no entries after that.

• According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Break_machine (note the case of the 'm'):
  • At 16:45, 13 October 2007 (diff) User:Fatcud) (Created page with 'Break Machine is the pseudonym of Keith Rodgers, musician new Yorkean and stimulating of an emission devoted to the rap on the radio WHBI 105.9 in 1981 (Good Live R...')
  • At 16:46, 13 October 2007 (diff) User:Fatcud
  • At 16:47, 13 October 2007 (diff) User:Fatcud
  • At 08:14, 14 October 2007 (diff) User:RHaworth speedy-delete-tagged Break machine as {{nn-bio}}
  • At 13:23, 14 October 2007 User:Anthony Appleyard deleted "Break machine"
• I have undeleted it and somewhat wikified it and AfD'ed it Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Break machine. Anthony Appleyard 21:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Move over objection

• Why did you move S. M. V. Higher Secondary school over my objection as not non-controversial? Gene Nygaard 06:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
• It was listed in the uncontroversial section: see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves&oldid=164460420 . The objection to me seemed to say "no need to move it, as it should be deleted". The change involved (replace "space fullstop" by "fullstop space") seemed to be un-queryable, merely a typo correction. If it was controversial, it should have been moved to the "Incomplete and contested proposals" section. Anthony Appleyard 06:33, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I also raised the issue of the improper capitalization of "High" and of "Secondary" but not of "school". No big deal, but just want to point that out as something that should have been dealt with when it was there. Gene Nygaard 16:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

We want you!

This user is interested in
Underwater diving, and the
History of underwater diving

Hello Anthony Appleyard! We are in the process of starting a WikiProject devoted entirely to Scuba Diving. Our goal is to expand Wikipedia's coverage on SCUBA Diving. I encourage you to check out our project at WP:SCUBA and sign you name to the list of interested Wikipedians! -Gr0ff 14:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For the recent moves (especially Talk:UKTV G2 -> Talk:Dave (channel) ) --Rumping 17:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

watendlath

thanks for your help on this page i have been trying to expand it from a stub, and any help can get is gratefully appreciated. John joskins 18:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Help with minor edits + internal links

Thank you for acknowledging our efforts to make diving safer by improving situational awareness via our Double-Dome masks. Despite my avoidance of all "puffery" and adjectives in earlier edits in "Scuba diving," "Underwater vision," and "Diving mask" articles, I have been watch-listed by an unknown Wikipedia Pooh-Bah. Perhaps because old traditions / habits / products have fierce defenders who fear change in the real-world? Some scuba retailers get absolutely apoplectic about the Internet's impact on their income, which may inappropriately influence Wikipedia articles. In any case, thank you very much for your efforts to include us, objectively, and as you said, "despite lack of outside link."

Since I carry "baggage," I hope you don't mind my asking for you to make a few minor edits. I apologize for this intrusion of your time, but my past experience causes me to believe that any edits I make personally will be quickly purged. And also motivate deletion of your existing, much-appreciated, acknowledgment of what we do.

1. "Underwater vision": the link there for "Double-dome masks" dead-ends (used to go to "scuba diving" article, before I was purged. Could you please redirect the link to the "Diving mask" article? BTW - in your future update of the entire SCUBA section, perhaps combining "Underwater vision" and "Diving mask" articles is appropriate?

2. The "scuba diving" article has a section called "Refraction and underwater vision" which briefly mentions the symptoms of refraction-induced tunnel vision. While there are multiple links to the "Diving mask" article here, the reader is given the impression that no "cure" exists for tunnel-vision. I hope you share the sentiment that a brief Double-dome mention is appropriate; something like: Double-dome masks widen field-of-view and restore perceived size and distance, but have some restrictions (link to the "Diving mask" article, anchor #3).

3. Suggested additional phrase to your restored Double-Dome section on "Diving mask" article. Just after "... perceived distance and size of objects," "...which helps to improve situational awareness." (link to the excellent Wiki article about SA).

THANK YOU for your time and again, apologies for this imposition. Kudos for all your endeavors to make Wikipedia an excellent source of objective information.

Jon Kranhouse 00:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Very much appreciated. Jon Kranhouse 23:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Koenraad Elst

Thanks for notifying me. I have completely unprotected it. It seems discussion ended nearly 2 months ago. :S Nishkid64 (talk) 05:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD closure

Hi Anthony, thanks for deleting an article over on AfD... we need more admins working there, and your efforts are appreciated! Just a minor formatting thing, the AfD top and bottom closing templates need to be subst:ed, and after the top template, put Delete and the 4 tildes (or of course, Keep.) Keep up the great work! All the best, ~Eliz81^(C) 20:45, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Rebreather links

• Well, I think we should get rid of most of those links in the manufacturers section, except a few, because they just link to manufacturers of rebreather equipment and, apart from that, they don't offer any useful information that might make the article better. So, what do you think? --Naruto Tron 23:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
• See the discussion in Talk:Rebreather#Too much advertising linkspam: this is the only place that I know of where there is a list of reebreather makers clean brief without advertizing clutter; and many of those sites contain good images of that sort of rebreather that I could not use in Wikipedia directory because of copyright. Anthony Appleyard 07:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Film Series History Merges

It looks like someone did the history merges earlier today so everything is all set. Thanks for your help. -- Cmjc80 01:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

English Gothic architecture histmerge requests

I'm not too clear what a text merge would imply. What's the best way in terms of satisfying GFDL requirements to end up with everything in the English Gothic architecture article, with redirects at each of the other articles? David Underdown 09:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Removal of page about Varkon

I stumbled on a request in to write an objective artical about Varkon on SourceForge/Help Wanted/Document Writers. The request for help stated: Varkon needs an article in Wikipedia. There is a list of FOSS CAD software and Varkon isn't in it. The list refers to seperate articles for each product. Aside from that, a Wikipedia article discussing Varkon and it's features as a parametric CAD package will improve the chance that people looking for CAD software via Google will hear about Varkon.

Volunteers ought to have experience with Varkon, and other CAD software so they can illustrate how Varkon compares with other types of CAD software.

Searching for precedence on the article I found Varkon mentioned on Conflict of Interest. User EconomicsGuy said: Just a heads up. Some CAD project on Sourceforge is looking for people to write their article for them and apparently mention their project wherever possible on Wikipedia to increase their Google ranking. See the ad here. It's unpaid but still the kind of thing we don't really want.

Balancing between these two requests, I found Wikipedia could use a generic objective article about Varkon. The goal of this article was to spread information and not to increase a Google Ranking (which wasn't implied by the request for help, but was worded by EconomicsGuy). I wrote this article without conflict of interest, or under order of the developers of Varkon. Open Source CAD-software in my opinion has a place on wikipedia in articles listing it's features. I think it isn't spam nor an advertisement for Varkon. I refrained from using loaded words like 'uniquely capable' and 'easy integration' so to make the article sounds less if at all like an advert. I am a user of Varkon and this article main purpose isn't advertisment, but making people aware the project Varkon turned OpenSource and was relocated to SourceForge. The article is sourced by the linked website's, which are website's notable on the subject. EconomicsGuy gets of his high horse to say: Exactly as predicted the article has now been recreated. And, as predicted without a trace of any assertion of notability Wikipedia says: Within Wikipedia, Notability is an article inclusion criterion based on encyclopedic suitability. The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice". If an article about Varkon would not be notable than why would a page like this exist? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_computer-aided_design_software

This being my first contributed article on Wikipedia, prompt removal works quite disheartening to an aspiring Wikipedia editor.

Could you explain why you removed the article and give some recommendations for rewriting and possibly resubmitting my entry by leaving a message here or on my talk page?

Thank you VeganEater 11:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• At 09:29, 24 October 2007 User:EconomicsGuy speedy-delete-tagged it "Recreation, no assertion of notability and spam per thread Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Open source project advertising for people to write an article on the COI noticeboard.". Do you want me to undelete page Varkon and AfD it? I see that a page Varkon had already been created and deleted before. Anthony Appleyard 14:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
  • My two cents here. I would prefer an undeletion and AfD (if requested) rather than a DRV so that we can once and for all determine the notability of this software and the prospects of there being a policy compliant article. Alternatively you can recreate in user space and let him work on it there. In that case I'll be happy to provide advice since the article will then be out of mainspace so notability won't be a concern. As the article stood and the way it was created it was a clear cut candidate for speedy deletion. EconomicsGuy 15:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Sub Verse

Thanks for that move. :) 86.42.124.92 23:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

In reference to His Royal Highness Prince Muzzamil Mirza

• Evening, It was upsetting to see that wikipedia does not care to place a minor article about a Prince in their database. Even after it was stated "a family tree will be provided". Also was stated the time consuming and "expensive" process in relation to the method of delivery process. The Royal family would consider this an insult. What was your reason for deleting this article? Is a family tree enough to "prove" royalty to your standards? If not, what else will be necessary? Good day...

Atlas International —Preceding unsigned comment added by AtlasInternational (talk • contribs) 04:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Also I was wondering if you can help us create a legitimate, professional article, in wikipedia....Thank You...and please remember, 95-99% of Royalty is NOT revealed to public *especially ones of eastern ethnicity, It is not part of the culture....Good Day Atlas International --AtlasInternational 04:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• If necessary, it possible to have a letter w/ official seal posted to your mailing address, from the government of India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh

Atlas International --AtlasInternational 04:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Sirr, again will a letter from the government of India, Pakistan, and/or Bangladesh will be a reliable source for HRH Prince Muzzamil Mirza? I don't beleive articles on his Royal Highness are posted on the internet. Thank you

Atlas International--AtlasInternational 01:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• Respond as soon as possible below, "it is in benifit of wikipedia, not speaking in a negative manner" —Preceding unsigned comment added by AtlasInternational (talk • contribs) 01:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

--AtlasInternational 06:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• I have undeleted it and AfD'ed it.Anthony Appleyard 10:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

deleting Christian Post philosophy

please can you tell me the rationale of deleting this article without any discussion whatsoever. (Motegole 10:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC))

Dear Sir,

RE your deletion of the SCMR entry.

Stepwise for ease of rebuttal.

1. SCMR is a moderately sized international society, a learned society, a medical charity with 1300 members subscription members and a stated aim of health promotion. Can I confirm that neither of us us dispute its eligibility to be on Wikipedia as with other list of learned societies?

2. As a board member, I am not renumberated and recieve no expenses and my time is for free running their website. I am an academic. In what way is this a conflict of interest? Wikipedia links do not increase linkage for search engines and even if they did, I would still question whether this represents a conflict of interest.

3. If the small number of experts in a scientific field do not write on a topic, who will? Medicine is quite poorly represented on wikipedia. I am in a position to write a wikipedia entry, I have no financial conflict of interest. It is pleasant that I am able to authorise copyright but who else would be able to? I am also writing about it from a neutral point of view. I have expressed no opinions whatsoever, merely posted stated aims of the society, and stuck to wikipedia guidelines.Your assertion that I am advertising is curious. I am not touting for members, who are all going to be specialists and not using wikipedia information about cardiac heart tests. By your definition, the dissemination of information could thus be concluded to be advertising!

4. If your objection is in the lack of soruces, as you can see, this is only the second posting I have ever made to wikipedia. I can of course list the societies that SCMR is a member of, and its international relationships. Is this acceptable?

5. Finally, if there is a definition or stated goal or aim, how can one post it without copying the facts?

It is easy to destroy; rather harder to build! with very best wishes, Dr James Moon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jccmoon (talk • contribs) 13:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• It was deleted as a copyvio (= copyright violation) of http://www.scmr.org/about/index.cfm . I have restored it, but it is still speedy-delete tagged: see Talk:Society for Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance. See Wikipedia:Copyrights. Anthony Appleyard 15:21, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Again in Reference to High Royal Highness

• I will post a United States Notarized copy of Prince Muzzamil Mirza's diplomatic status & a family tree (most possibly notarized, in your user talk, simply because it doesn't "look good" politically speaking. After I post information relavant to PROOF in His Highness' Diplomatic status, is possible you may help create a main page which is redirected to Muzzamil Mirza? Thank You, sirr. Good Day

Atlas International--AtlasInternational 18:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muzzamil Mirza. Anthony Appleyard 19:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Superman Prime

• What exactly is your rationale for moving Superman Prime to Superman-Prime? --Basique 23:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• User:Maestro25 asked for it. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves&oldid=167001524#Uncontroversial_proposals for the request "Superman Prime → Superman-Prime — like other superhero articles, this character goes by "Superman-Prime" with the hyphen in comics, much like "Spider-Man" — User:Maestro25 14:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)". Anthony Appleyard 08:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

He was wrong about the name, can you change it back? --Basique 17:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Chutti

I placed an AfD tag on it this time. See Chutti as opposed to Chutti TV and please reconsider deletion. Carter | Talk to me 12:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. You do good work. Carter | Talk to me 12:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair Grinds Coffeehouse

• I would like to understand why it is that two (actually more) of my business competitor are able to be listed in Wikipedia and not my coffeehouse. Chateau Coffee Cafe and PJ's Coffee are both simple commercial shops. I can understand Starbucks (major impact on society) and Cafe du Monde (hugely historic) listings but PJ's and Chateau are boring commercial ventures. You guys also list coffeehouse chains, pretty unfair to us independents who struggle daily to preserve the coffeehouse definition as something other than "fast food". I don't quibble with the deletion of my amatuer attempt at learning Wiki, but I must admit the speedy delete seemed unfair in light of these other articles. (I do understand the magnitude of your job better having looked for my deleted file, and I thank you and others for your efforts) - Fgowner 17:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• Page Fair Grinds Coffeehouse was speedy-delete-tagged at 00:51, 26 October 2007 by User:Jamesontai. It is to be noted that Chateau Coffee Cafe and PJ's Coffee are described as chains of shops, but Fair Grinds Coffeehouse is described as one cafe with no particular notability. Also, since you seem to own the cafe described, see Wikipedia's rules on "conflict of interest". If you wish, I will undelete Fair Grinds Coffeehouse and AfD it. Anthony Appleyard 18:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• I will not ask to be restored, but still feel that the issue of being part of chain as qualification for notability is weak. As an independent we have done more notable things than any single coffeehouse that is part of a chain. A Google search will show national news articles about our recovery, and listings of hundreds of events we have hosted for the community. Chateau Coffee Cafe seems to have been deleted, they had two coffeehouses before the storm and now just one - how is that a chain? Also, I could have had a customer or employee write the peice, but I doubt they would have been as objective, and would have clearly read more like an advertisement. All I really want, (though it will make no difference to my business like true advertising is supposed to do) is that if there is a listing of coffeehouses in New Orleans, chain, corporate, historic or otherwise, that my shop is fairly listed. My shop is held by an LLC which has several other factions which makes me no better or no worse than PJ's coffee houses, unless maybe there is a threshold for how rich you have to be before being included? Thanks for your considerations Fgowner 15:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Reading the conflict of interest rules indicates to me that while it is highly unlikely that I could be objective (nor my employees or satisfied customers) that is not prohibited for someone to try. I looked at the PJ's article and Chateau article and tried to mimic their apparently allowed objectivity. The PJ's Coffee artice was actually written by a user named User:Pjscoffee. I doubt they were as seperate from the business as all that. I can no longer figure out how to see the user responsible for Chateau's listing, but I'd rather learn how I could have a fairly done evaluation of the topic of my coffeehouse, is there a way to request articles?

Thanks again for you time. Fgowner 16:20, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

• Looking further into Wiki treatment of coffeehouses, I find another competitor Community Coffee whose coffeehouses are described in the file. Apparently the file was authored by User:SteveRwanda whose E-tool software company is involved with a coffee cooperative which sell primarily through Community Coffee. http://community.telecentre.org/en-tc/node/20178 . His contributions are admittedly fascinating, and I am convinced he is doing a good job in Rwanda helping people, but he is financially tied to the success of Community Coffee, a violation of what I understand is WP:COI. I am getting my hackles up a little about this because it appears clearly some can and others can't. With all the wiki safeguards, I suppose some are connected enough or know how to get around and are able to advertise their coffee products and outlets. Tell me I am wrong please. Fgowner 18:11, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Again, Again in reference to HRH Prince Muzzamil Mirza

DO NOT Delete Evening, A official duplicate which was created in 1986 has arrived in New York City. It is currently in my personal possession, with up most care, however, It needs to be translated, and formatted to fit to your needs, I've scanned a short portion for evidence in means of your satisfaction. Please further delay the deletion of this article. The translation and tailoring of this tree may take 2-3 weeks. However, meanwhile, I will work on getting a notarized document stating HRH Prince Muzzamil Mirza's diplomatic status. As in reference to Rudget's comment: "but if he is really that notable, and the user that created the article knows alot about that individual, then sources and references should be provided in abundance. But this is not what is here." (RUDGET)....Sirr, with all do respect, It is not considered very "notable" to "brag" of diplomatic status. To Royals it is like a rap star bragging about his “chedda”. It is something which God Given & earned...God willing, we are dealing with a future world/universal leader, which has a great deal of training, skills, experience, knowledge, put behind and much more which follows. Please understand the fragility of this matter. Good Day & Thank You Atlas International --AtlasInternational 03:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, it will highly be appreciated if you this dilemma is kept confidential, to an understandable limit & this “conversation is permanently deleted w/ no record keeping” Thank You again Atlas International --AtlasInternational 03:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Muzzamil_Mirza" Please respond as soon as possible, Thank You Atlas International --AtlasInternational 03:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to copy/paste the picture of the tree, I'm sorry, i am unfamiliar how post a picture.... Atlas International--AtlasInternational 03:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

How to RfC

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Asian lady beetle move

Many thanks—GRM 20:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of ScienceWorld

I have undone your deletion of ScienceWorld. Please see talk:ScienceWorld and talk:MathWorld and apply some common sense. Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MathWorld, which ended in "speedy keep". Please note:

• MathWorld is one of the most prestigious web sites in the world.
• It is supported financially by the National Science Foundation.
• It rivals Wikipedia as the main source of information on its topic on the web.
• It WAS the main source of information on its topic on the web before Wikipedia expanded to be its rival. Many professionals in the field regard it as still the best source on the web.
• Its Wikipedia article existed for years before Wikipedia was well-known enough that anyone would want to advertise on Wikipedia. It was not advertising.
• Nearly 1500 Wikipedia articles link to MathWorld (the Wikipedia article). They were put there by MANY MANY people like me who have no interest in advertising Wolfram.
• Thousands of Wikipedia articles link to MathWorld (the external site). For good reason. Those links were put there mostly by professionals in the field who have no interest in advertising Wolfram.
• ScienceWorld could reasonably be considered notable merely because it's run by the same organization that runs MathWorld. There are also other reasons to consider it notable.
• More than 50 Wikipedia articles link to it. If you deleted any of those links, please restore them promptly.

If you think ScienceWorld needs to get deleted, take it to AfD. Michael Hardy 18:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Wedgwood institute

• Hi Anthony, need some help. I set up this page as shown Wedgwood institute BUT inadvertently made the i of institute lower case; ideally it oughtt to have a capital I. I can't figure out how to change the title...can you please help? Also, the name is wiki linked at Burslem School of Art which I changed to lower case I...wonder if you can either fix them both or let me know how to do it? many thanks Peter morrell 11:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
• At 10:55, 30 October 2007 User:ArielGold moved the page to Wedgwood Institute. Anthony Appleyard 14:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
• Thanks, Anthony, I did notice that. Will check how he did it. cheers Peter morrell 14:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Apology

I'm sorry but I was carried away by hackers who want my password.
I also apologize that i'm a deleting dyke. Dar book 05:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Mid-air collision

• Appleyard, are you sure that the new title is the best one? It's a mid-air collision, and both flights are equally involved... WhisperToMe 13:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves&oldid=168262634#Uncontroversial_proposals said "*1996 Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision → Air Kazakhstan Flight 1907 — I think, it is more compliant to the naming conventions, if we use the name of the most deviating flight for the article (see Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937). Oh - and sorry for my own attempt to do it (was my first time)... Thx. —Homer Landskirty 08:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)". See Category:Midair airliner crashes. Anthony Appleyard 16:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)