Amalek 0123456789
May 2015 edit
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Halakha. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
- Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
- Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. RolandR (talk) 17:39, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- OK I removed the post. Let's discuss so we can reach consensus.
Are the laws against gentiles not OK according to you? Do you have opinions on the accurateness or the stilistics Amalek 0123456789 (talk) 20:05, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
- User:RolandR, I am an impatient person...Please, write me something Amalek 0123456789 (talk) 16:35, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Amalek 0123456789, you are invited on a Wikipedia Adventure! edit
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Halacha and Gentiles edit
Dear Amalek 0123456789:
Thank you for taking my advice and working on things here in your sandbox. If you don't mind, let me give you a couple of thoughts and recommendations on this.
- Understand that a name like "Amalek" will tend to suggest to someone Jewish that you are hostile to Jews and Judaism. Maybe you are, and maybe you aren't. Maybe you're Jewish. I don't know. But with a username like that, anything you write on Jewish subjects is bound to attract particularly close attention. That may not be right, and that may not be fair, but it is. I'd encourage you not to complain about that if you see it happen. Focus on content.
- The subject you are undertaking here has its very controversial aspects. That, too, will draw a lot of attention. All of the above applies.
- As I said, WP:NOTNEWSPAPER and WP:NOTSOAPBOX. Write an encyclopedia article, not an exposé. Therefore:
- I am going to hold you very closely to the NPOV rules on this, and if anyone like @Debresser watches this, he will, too. If you are looking for this article to be purely an anti-abuse platform, you will not succeed.
- Please understand right off the bat that the rulings that you mentioned on Debresser's talk page are regrettable, but too frequent. And the fact is that there are some rabbis who make rulings like that, unfortunately. But you will also find that such points of view are pretty fringe in the Orthodox/Torah world. The vast majority of Orthodox rabbis teach—and the vast majority of Orthodox Jews practice—that all lives must be saved, that you're not even supposed to ask first, etc. Opinions to the contrary are aberrations. (As a side note: this doesn't even come up in the Jewish world outside of Orthodoxy, where nobody would ever dream of anything to the contrary.) You shouldn't really have a problem finding sources to prove that, so we're going to make sure you give the issue a fair airing.
- Also, please be careful before you start trying to parse the practical differences between "Rabbinic Law" and "Torah Law," especially in this area. We rely on poskim—rabbinic decisors on Jewish law—to do this. Why some aspects of anything you are discussing might be "Torah" vs. "Rabbinic" law is far beyond the scope of an article like this. In fact, it is far beyond the scope of Wikipedia, and should be reserved for scholarly and/or rabbinic writings. Let me say that as a general rule, "Torah law" and "Rabbinic law" are equally important and equally binding. Please ask for help if you don't understand something.
- I promise on my honor that I am not going to use NPOV as an excuse to hide things that deserve to be aired. But I also promise that I will make you put aberrant and abusive cases in their proper context. If you cannot agree to those ground rules right from the outset, then please don't waste your time writing this article at all. It will run afoul of many rules and policies of Wikipedia, and will not end up remaining here.
OK, enough of a lecture. Thank you for taking up my recommendation, and good luck. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2015 (UTC)