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Yoruba Richen

Using the phrase "award-winning" to describe someone is an example of WP:PEACOCK. The phrase introduces bias to one aspect of the persons career as well as inflates the notability of the individual. Stating the profession of the person is neutral and stating the awards the individual has won is neutral. Using "award-winning" is not neutral, saying that winning an award is a most-defining characteristic. BOVINEBOY2008 00:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. I'll tool around Wikipedia to see if there are counter-examples...--Aichik (talk) 15:46, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll follow the example from three articles you worked on, Toy Story 3, Black Eyed Peas, and Finding Nemo, that is, I'll save the praise for later on in the intro. This should suffice, otherwise I'll report you for being unconstructive.--Aichik (talk) 15:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Yoko Ono GAN

Just felt I should explain how I'm not "raising the bar" for the GAN: when reviewers find points to address that they hadn't previously seen, they will mention them in the review. In this case, I'm not sure if the more of points I brought up were from previous GAN or if they were inadvertently created in the process of editing for next GAN. Either way, just know that I'm not trying to make things harder or anything (and certainly not being sexist, either- I do believe this has the potential to be GA, even FA, someday, just hasn't reached that point yet). Let me emphasize that I do appreciate the effort you've put into it. I wish you luck with this one. I will pass if the points I mentioned on this review are addressed by May 1st. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 21:35, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

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Colin Farrell edit

Hello. I saw you reverted part of my mass-edit to Colin Farrell's page, since I removed the information about Nicole Narain being a Playboy playmate. I was wanting to ask you why. You said that this edit was "unnecessarily censorious and promotional", but I'm confused by both of those. I was, by no means, trying to censor that she was a playmate. This is completely irrelevant to me, but that was my point. If people want to know who Narain is, they can click her blue link. We don't disambiguate that Angelina Jolie is an actress in the same bracket, why should we do so for Narain? I only removed the information because it's inclusion struck me as entirely unnecessary. It seemed bloated to me. I'm not going to revert you (I'm not exactly passionate enough about my edit to get into a war with an editor I respect as much as yourself) but I'm hoping you will respond and help me see why you decided my edit was unnecessary. Thank you! Corvoe (speak to me) 03:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Left you a response on your page.--Aichik (talk) 15:29, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Alice K. Kurashige

I don't know if you saw my note on Jclemens' page, but I'll repost it here:

As Jclemens is no longer an administrator, I restored the page and moved it to User:Aichik/Alice K. Kurashige. He deleted the page in 2009 due to an expired PROD, at which point it looked like this: [1]. Someone recreated the page last year, but it was apparently a copyvio per Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations/2013-04-24, and it was deleted again. Since it has always had sourcing issues, I went ahead and blanked the page; if you are able to find sources to improve this one, please work on it and restore it or move it to WP:DRAFTS. BOZ (talk) 20:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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How nice. I've added it. thanks!--Aichik (talk) 22:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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George Washington

There are a couple of problems I have with the purported quote/statement you added/re-added to George Washington with this edit.:

• Even though the New Yorker article "says so", I can find no record of this statement being said by George Washington on his deathbed.
• Just in case the New Yorker writer was mistaken in her timeline/attribution, I did look for some record that he shared the sentiment elsewhere, perhaps in a letter, or was quoted as actually saying it in a conversation or in a speech but I was unable to find any record of this statement other than in the New Yorker article itself. If he did say or write this, I was unable to find any contemporaneous records in his collected writings (held at the University of Virginia) regarding "Beware of innovation" to someone or that he wrote it in some document.
• I cannot find any contemporaneous statements from any of the people known to have been in Washington's Mount Vernon bedroom as he was dying - Drs. Craik, Brown, & Dick, Overseer Albin Rawlins, Martha Washington, Personal Secretary Tobias Lear - that record him saying anything about innovation on his deathbed.
• The actual sentence that the quote appears in uses what I consider to be weasel words: "George Washington, on his deathbed, was said to have uttered these words: “Beware of innovation in politics.” So, my question then is, who is the ultimate source that Washington said these words? If literature somewhere states that George Washington said this sentence, who wrote it? Doesn't seem to have been any of the 6 people I mentioned above so I have to assume that it was someone like the hagiographer Parson Weems (whose book on Washington should be understood as morality tales for the young rather than as a reliable biography) and, since this source appears to be someone who came along after the fact then the alleged quote has to be regarded as basically unsourced and unreliable and should not be allowed to remain in the article.

Shearonink (talk) 16:31, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes indeed Shearonink is right. that's LePore's mistake. Many biographers have written on GW's death and none have reported any such statement. Lapore herself hedges and does not indicate any source whatever. The term "innovation in politics" was first used long after Washington's death-- in Britain in 1823 according to Google Lepore confuses a line in in Washington's Farewell Address that advised the people to "that you resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles however specious the pretexts.". Rjensen (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I used the words I did as I didn't want to copy Lepore's words word-for-word. (One of Wikipedia's tenet's is to assume good faith, Shearonink) Rjensen's follow-up makes sense to me. I am wary of anyone purporting to have complete mastery of the historical record as anyone who is critical should know that such things are constantly being updated. But thanks.--Aichik (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

My apologies if I've offended you with my original explanation above, I was trying to be thorough in my research and meant no disrespect. Poor George (like many famous people from history), does get statements & aphorisms attributed to him all the time... Shearonink (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for following up! And yes, I know a few of the New Yorker fact-checkers, and they aren't perfect;)--Aichik (talk) 20:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Joan Juliet Buck

Ms. Buck is already in a non-gendered subcategory of the American journalists category. She does not need to be in the parent category as well. Your citation to a horribly research, knee-jerk, article written by someone who does not understand how Wikipedia categorization works is unwise.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Not really. You yourself on your talk page admit "In the past I have mistakenly categorized people into only gender categories. I have tried to remedy this situation recently, such as by making sure that all the people in Category:American female film directors were also in Category:American film directors." So being cautious, and I'm sorry you believe the Salon article is knee-jerk. That's your opinion.--Aichik (talk) 00:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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Note to self

Work on citing Japanese history textbook controversies and clean up Alison Knowles.--Aichik (talk) 14:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

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Yoko suggestion

Hello Aichik,

I was looking over Yoko Ono's article, and actually realized something was missing: musicianship/artistry; her musical styles/themes, her influences, what critics have said of her music, etc. Probably should've looked for it during GAN, but figured a GAR isn't quite needed when I could simply say that it's missing a section or two. Don't think it should be too much trouble. You can look at any of the four Beatles' articles for examples. On another note, I think her discography warrants a separate page.

Cheers, Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Your points are totally valid! I'll see what I can do when I have time.--Aichik (talk) 19:49, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:53, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

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I'm keeping my drawing skills separate from my Wikipedia work, but thanks for thinking of me.--Aichik (talk) 15:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

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Issue resolved with the help of another Wikipedia editor.--A21sauce (talk) 18:20, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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Problem resolved.--A21sauce (talk) 20:06, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Mattress article

Hi A21, would you mind slowing down a little regarding the Emma Sulkowicz article? This is unfortunately turning into a contentious article, so the way to proceed is to hold requested-move (RM) discussions and (formal or informal) RfCs for any contested suggestions, and to wait until consensus forms. I know it's frustrating. I would prefer to act faster myself, but the outcome will be more long-lasting if we abide by the dispute-resolution processes.

One thing that would help is if you were to redirect your new article back to Emma Sulkowicz until an uninvolved admin has closed the RM discussion. That would at least make sure people don't start editing what they think will be a second stand-alone article. Best wishes, Sarah (SV) ^(talk) 19:26, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, well, you're not arguing for it to be a stand-alone article, and it's already been checked by someone uninvolved. We could protect it though: How about that?--A21sauce (talk) 20:05, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Protection wouldn't be appropriate here. One thing we know is that there aren't going to be two articles. There will be one with her name in the title, or one with the mattress in the title. That will be decided by the admin who closes the discussion seven days after it began (or possibly after a second discussion if the first is unclear). It would be helpful in the meantime if you would direct your new title back to the current one, just to avoid confusion. (If you're not sure how to do that, I can do it for you.) Sarah (SV) ^(talk) 20:19, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Why is that? Because YOU want it that way? Do it yourself then I'll get another administrator to put it back.--A21sauce (talk) 20:24, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I don't want to fight with you about it. All I'm saying is that BOLD is often good, but not with something like this. Adding the student's name and trying to pre-empt the RM is just increasing the heat. I'm asking you to slow down a bit, that's all. I'll leave it there. Sarah (SV) ^(talk) 20:47, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Didn't add the student's name and there is clear consensus not to create an Alleged rape of Emma Sulkowicz page, so that's closed even if officially it's not. But you're not objecting to that. You're objecting to the creation of a mattress page not on your terms. If anyone needs to slow down, it's you, getting your own mattress page ready after I created mine.--A21sauce (talk) 22:51, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Mattress Performance (Carry That Weight)/Old

Hi, I don't doubt that you created the original Mattress Performance (Carry That Weight) in good faith, but I had to move it out of the way so I could move Emma Sulkowicz there in accordance with the RM consensus, so I moved it to the page linked in the header. Would you object to it being deleted? I don't think it's practical to history merge it because that would cause problems with the history (where there are overlaps between the two histories, clicking between diffs would make it appears as though one article was blanked and replaced with the other), so the options are essentially leave it where it is or delete it. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:26, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. The process obviously moved on without me, and will check in to see what's going on. --A21sauce (talk) 20:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)