189.201.191.68

February 2021

Please refrain from attempting to make unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you were at David Byttow. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been disallowed by an edit filter. If you would like to experiment, please use the the sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. ~ ItsJustLukas talk|Contribs 04:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

This is not an unconstructive edit. It is a list of the programmers who made the game. And I have no idea what you are talking about with "as you were", perhaps you are unaware that IPs are not permanent. What i posted is not vandalism. It is a factual listing of the programmers who made the game, as noted at https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/919172-the-warriors/credit. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. Clearly an LTA User3749 (talk) 04:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I am providing factual, documented information. To replace fake, undocumented information. if that is "disruptive editing", your polices are the problem. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you attempt to make unconstructive edits and trigger the edit filter, as you did at David Byttow. ~ ItsJustLukas talk|Contribs 04:46, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

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The article credited Kevin Hoare with solely programming the video game, with no source. I updated it, with source, to list the actual programmers who made the game. That change was repeatedly reverted, and then I was locked out of changing the article. And you wonder why Wikipedia is a joke. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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November 2022

Hello, I'm Materialscientist. I noticed that you made a change to an article, The Warriors (video game), but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 08:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I provided a source. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/919172-the-warriors/credit. Stop reverting this completely legitimate change. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:19, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Please do not add or significantly change content without citing verifiable and reliable sources, as you did with this edit to The Warriors (video game). Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Materialscientist (talk) 08:18, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I provided a verifiable and reliable source. None of the other credits have inline citations. The original credit, which I changed, does not have an inline citation. Why is the change being reverted? Again, the source is https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/919172-the-warriors/credit. It lists all of the people who worked on this game. One person did not make this game. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did with this edit to The Warriors (video game). Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Adakiko (talk) 08:23, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

• Sources should be wp:inline citations. Adding a source to the wp:edit summary is not sufficiently visible. See help:referencing for beginners Thank you Adakiko (talk) 08:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

  None of the other credits are wp:inline ctations. Simply open the document in an editor and you will see that no other credit has been sourced. Yet I have given a source, https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/919172-the-warriors/credit, and my edits have been reverted. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

• Please read the comments and look at the links. Wikipedia has specific policy on sources. Adakiko (talk) 08:27, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

  What specific policy could that be, when the existing credits reference no sources? What source says Kevin Hoare alone programmed this game? Why are you trying to deny credit to the people who actually worked on this game, as sourced by https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/919172-the-warriors/credit? 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

If someone else steals and gets away with it, does that mean anyone can steal too? Instructions on how to add an wp:inline citation are all over this page. Please follow them. Adakiko (talk) 08:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

What an asinine response. I provided the source for my changes, and you reject that in favor of the uncited current text, because I didn't follow the completely unprecendented standard you are now applying? There are NO CITATIONS provided for any of the existing credits. I provided a citation, and you are rejected it because it is not in your preferred format? Then format it in the manner you prefer. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 09:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

If GameFaqs and MobyGames are not "reliable", what is? Note also that the original credit of Kevin Hoare - as if a single man programmed this entire AAA game by himself - is not cited. Because it can't be. I changed it, with valid references, and it was repeatedly reverted and then I was locked out of edits. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

You have been presented with how to add a citation multiple times above. Putting the source here or in your edit summary is not acceptable. Adakiko (talk) 08:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

None of the other credits have citations. Why are you rejecting my edit? 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:33, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

My change has a verifiable source: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/919172-the-warriors/credit. It is being rejected by Wikipedia nerds who are willing to leave an unverified article in place because the verified change is not formatted in the method they prefer 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:37, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

That's called wp:ICANTHEARYOU Adakiko (talk) 08:38, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Sweet. Glad to see Wikipedia is moderated by such mature people as yourself. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:42, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

It's always nice to get new editors who think know they don't have to follow the rules. Adakiko (talk) 08:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

What rules? Treat me like a 5 year old. I read Wikipedia and do not frequently edit it. I do not know the secret incantations. But I am trying to make a legitimate edit. I worked on this game, as part of a team of very smart and talented programmers. And it pisses me off to see one guy given credit for all our work, WITH NO CITATION. I just want the credits to reflect reality. So, what am I doing wrong? When I open the editor I don't see the other credits providing any reference. So I made the correction and provided the reference in the change comment. If that is incorrect, maybe tell me what to do instead of reverting the change - which you can easily verify by visiting the site I provided? 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia would not be the same place as it is today if we tolerated any sort of unsourced additions. That doesn't mean we disallow any statements that are unsourced. The problem is that GameFaqs is not a reliable source. It is user generated content. It could be improved by putting a tag ({{cn}}) next to the claim to draw attention to it, or maybe not credit anyone at all until we find a reliable source. We definitely do not want new additions citing unreliable sources, even if it sounds true. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 08:54, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

The original programming credit was entirely unsourced. How is that more reliable than actual sources? The list of programmers who worked on this game is verifiable on MobyGames and GameFaqs. You say those sites are unreliable, but in addition to the fact that they are surely more reliable than NO SOURCE AT ALL, what other cites for video game credits would you recommend? MobyGames and GameFaqs are the FIRST RESULTS in any search for the credits of this game. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 08:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

First results don't mean anything to us. We are writing an encyclopedia. Wikipedia are consistently ranked as the first result, yet we will never cite ourselves while writing articles. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:02, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Again: if my change is not legitimately sourced, and the original credit which I changed is not sourced at all, what site should I use?

My edit is 100% legitimate, and sourced. There is no valid reason for it to be reverted for an illegitimate and unsourced claim. But you just seem to want to bicker. You want to claim truth is important to you while denying truth. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 09:05, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Truth is obviously important to us. If you can find a reliable source that can tell the truth, then we are done talking here, right? The problem is you keep insisting on adding a poorly sourced claim that creates an illusion that the claims are being supported by reliable sources. In reality, I would want to trust a statement with a reference attached to it, so citing unreliable sources is a big no. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Given that the current version of the article cites no sources, what source do you recommend? 189.201.191.68 (talk) 09:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:10, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

We'll just do this again in 31 days. Your article is wrong. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

See this for a list of sources that could possibly be used as a reliable source. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:05, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? None of those sources list video game credits. And the current credit on the article gives no sources whatsoever. I have provided two sources that, despite your claim that they are unreliable, have matching descriptions of the crew involved. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 09:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Okay. If InfoWars and NYPost agree on something, I still wouldn't care about what they have to say.. Having two unreliable sources doesn't make it better than one. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:15, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

People like you are why Wikipedia is a joke. You don't care about truth, you care about power. I actually worked on this game. I want my team to be given proper credit. So I edited the programmer credits, providing valid sources for my edits. And because you are a pathetic, useless person who has never actually done anything of value in life, you reverted my edit and made your asinine comments about the "validity" of the sources I provided, which are the only sources for the content I am editing. See you in 31 days. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 09:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh great! Glad to see someone who actually knows the truth. But how do we know? Is there an official website that lists the credits? 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:23, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Both GameFaqs and MobyGames list the people who made this game. No website says Kevin Hoare made this game all by himself. 189.201.191.68 (talk) 09:24, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

@Deadbeef: It would be nice if this editor would read instructions given multiple times here and add an wp:inline citation. Adakiko (talk) 09:10, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at The Warriors (video game). Adakiko (talk) 08:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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Hello! 189.201.191.68, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 08:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi 189.201.191.68, the source that you referred to is not reliable since it is user generated. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 08:33, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

An Important thing to understand..

.. Is that everything we do on Wikipedia is based on policies that are supported by consensus among editors. If it turns out that something is not quite right, consensus can overturn it. For example, if you insist that MobyGames and GameFaqs are reliable, maybe open a discussion on our place for discussing reliable source and see what other people think after your 31-hour block expires?

Maybe you are impatient and don't want to listen to us, and that is totally up to you. But that wouldn't help improve the article since we certainly can't allow an unreliable source to be inserted. I'm sure you are here to improve the article, right? Unless.. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:21, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Please reply here. The section above is getting messy. If you are a speaker of truths as you claimed, then you shouldn't just repeat the same thing over and over again expecting different results. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I have requested help from experts on this topic. You could watch this. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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