Template talk:Infobox cycling race report

Natvar

What's the usefulness of this field? I find myself removing it from every cycling event I edit. Does it conceivably serve a purpose? If not...why is it in the template? Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 05:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

It's for historic flags. Take a look at 1911 Giro d'Italia. Severo^TC 09:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, cool.

Team_nat

Since teams' nations are meaningless, should this field be removed? Or would it be best to wait to do that until it's been removed from each instance of this in the article space (in case that would create an error display of some sort, I don't know). Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 19:30, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Next/previous edition

Because I find myself looking for a next-previous edition link in the infobox, I decided to add this option. Some other sports infoboxes (Template:Infobox tennis event, Template:Infobox Rugby World Cup, Template:Infobox International Football Competition) have it, some not (Template:Infobox Grand Prix race report, Template:Infobox Olympic games, Template:Infobox hockey, Template:Infobox cricket tournament). If anybody objects, we can discuss it here, and if consensus is that we should not use it, we can simply remove it. And of course remarks about the visual aspects are welcome.-EdgeNavidad (talk) 15:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I really like this addition and copied the concept for {{Infobox cycling championship}}. However, I copied the styling from infoboxes such as {{Infobox Olympic event}} (example) and {{Infobox Rugby World Cup}} (example) by placing the arrows at the bottom, along with a link for the year, and I think that this would be smarter for this infobox. Severo^TC 11:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

 It looks better aesthetically in the Olympic infobox, so I'm behind you... ;o) It also prevents some wrapping as per problem below... lil2mas (talk) 11:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Infobox width

I tried, today, to implement a fixed minimum width in this infobox, with no luck... The problem was that it also made it a fixed maximum, so the infoboxes experienced wrapping... But to have a infobox like this looks awful! Is there anyone with the competence to make this happen?

BTW: Why isn't this template made on the standard {{Infobox}}-template, like {{Infobox international football competition}} and {{Infobox International Handball Competition}} amongst many other? lil2mas (talk) 17:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done I used min-width instead of width and the above link now looks fine. This template was made slightly before the {{Infobox}}-template became a meta template - if anyone wants to take the time to change it they are more than welcome to! Severo^TC 16:26, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Severo! =) Looks good now... I don't know these templates that well, so I don't think I should be the one changing it. But I would be grateful to the one who do, since it will make later changes easier, in comparison. =) lil2mas (talk) 17:37, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Suggest remove average speed

There are several reasons why the average speed is not reliable in many races, especially stage races.

• Bonification time bonuses, mean that time is under-recorded for anyone who has been in the top three on any stage.
• Allocation of same time in bunch finishes means the time of those not at the very front of the group is under-recorded.
• Rounding each stage to the nearest km means that tour length could be up to 10 km out.
• Claims of av speed to the nearest thousandths of a km/h (as on 2011 Vuelta a España, and using that data for this example) suggest that we know the distance to an accuracy of 22 metres, or the time to less than 4 seconds. Clearly this is indefensible: ten times that error margin is unrealistic, and even to one tenth of a km/h (400 seconds, or 2.2km) is open to challenge.

If the only reliable ave speed is to the nearest km/h, it is not very useful comparative info. Suggest remove the field from the template. Kevin McE (talk) 22:59, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

4 1/2 years is quite long enough for anyone to object: done. Kevin McE (talk) 20:25, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Hide empty results heading

Is it possible to hide the results heading when no parameters are in use? (see 2018 Tour de France) Primefac, Zyxw, Jonesey95, Frietjes. Thanks. BaldBoris 21:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

User:BaldBoris, yes. done. Frietjes (talk) 21:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Team Points

"Team Points" should be changed to "Team points" per MOS:LISTCAPS. BaldBoris 20:35, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Frietjes? Thanks. BaldBoris 05:51, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

User:BaldBoris, sure. Frietjes (talk) 12:01, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 February 2020

Please change template call listed, to eliminate an unnecessary redirect in this widely used template:

• {{autolink --> {{auto link

  (2 occurrences) Colonies Chris (talk) 10:12, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done Cabayi (talk) 11:48, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Colonies Chris (talk) 11:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Disqualifications in separate rows

Googlebot thinks the 1999 Tour de France winner is "Lance Armstrong none". Other visually impaired users may also be unable to perceive the strikethrough. (See MOS:NOSTRIKE.) I propose putting disqualifications in separate lines, adding parameters as needed. Not sure how to order it, though.

This order retains finish order, but would be confusing if readers expect official rank order.

First DQ	Lance Armstrong (USA)	(U.S. Postal Service)
Winner	none[a]
Second	Alex Zülle (SUI)	(Banesto)
Third	Fernando Escartín (ESP)	(Kelme–Costa Blanca)

Clearer to retain official rank order by shifting disqualifications to the bottom? With or without a horizontal line separator? With or without finish position in strikethrough?

Winner	none[a]
Second	Alex Zülle (SUI)	(Banesto)
Third	Fernando Escartín (ESP)	(Kelme–Costa Blanca)
First DQ	Lance Armstrong (USA)	(U.S. Postal Service)

Matt Fitzpatrick (talk) 08:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

The Google issue certainly needs sorting either way, so I'm up for any workable solution. Have you checked to what other IBs use in a similar circumstance? BaldBoris 12:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 3 September 2022

Riders are registered in their own country, and their competitions have a nationality option in this template. Example: 2022 Tour de France Femmes

• points_nat = NED
• points_color = green
• mountains_nat = NED
• mountains_color = polkadot
• youth_nat = NED
• youth_color = white

Teams are registered in countries too. See for instance Canyon//SRAM RACING on UCI. Can you please add the team nation tag?

• team_nat = GER

. Emmarade (talk) 19:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: This might be a controversial edit, so you may need to discuss first with other editors. Since I'm not sure about that, editor Emmarade, please write a brief rationale below that explains how this is not a controversial edit. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 09:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: the |team_nat= and |team_natvar= parameters were removed with [this edit] back in 2009. At the time, those parameters were thought to be [meaningless]. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 10:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Let's take 10 other language wikipages to show the relevance. They all have team-flags in their infoboxes:

Tour de France Femmes 2022: Arab · Catalan · Danish · Dutch · Esperanto · French · German · Italian · Polish · Spanish.

In team time trials, the English version does show the flags in the text. Why add it there, if it's not relevant? Other languages use them also in infoboxes:

Eindhoven Team Time Trial: Catalan · Dutch · French · Hebrew · Italian · Norwegian · (meanies).

If I'm correct, then you could add it in, and we get the option to show it. One does not have the obligation to display it; you might leave the tag out of the page´s infobox. There's no harm done, no info lost, but we get to wave our flags if we're proud of one of our teams.

On the discussion on this page... One American said "not relevant", and an English editor didn't even reply, but simply removed the tags. It displays their non cycling culture. Let's not copy the Great-Britain's Cycling Network attitude and make ours Global. (Now that might be a bit controversial ;-D )

Greetings, Emmarade (talk) 18:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

It looks like this is going to take a consensus to reinstate due to the long-term implied consensus, and I'm sure cyclists have had plenty of opportunity since 2009 to reinstate, or at least to discuss it. Let me show my own non-cycling lack of culture and ask "why Germany?" In the ibox of 2022 Tour de France Femmes, the parameter shows |team_nat=GER. Why not a different nation's flag? Why Germany? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 19:43, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

The most simple answer is that the team is registered in Germany, through their national Cycling organisation (Bund Deutscher Radfahrer e.V.).

The country often points out the origin of the organisation, sometimes the origin of the main sponsor. Most of the time, a considerate amount of riders come from the registered country. And then there's often a tradition of how a team operates, reflected in the flag. Different country, different emphasis, different team culture.

To me the flag points at a long history. They started as Team Stuttgart with directeur sportif Hennie Kuiper in 1989. This became Team Deutsche Telekom > T-mobile > ... > Canyon-SRAM. Nowadays headsponsor Canyon is a German cycle brand. I dare say that their involvement is not incidental.

The team has had many German talents under its wings, like Olaf Ludwig, Jan Ullrich, Erik Zabel, André Greipel, Tony Martin, and Judith Arndt, Ina-Yoko Teutenberg, Trixi Worrack, Lisa Brennauer, Lisa Klein.

Those are some of the things I see in that flag. Emmarade (talk) 00:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay, we can try reinstating the |team_nat= parameter and see if anyone objects, so  edited. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 02:54, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Tyvm I'll start waving some more flags. ;) Emmarade (talk) 11:40, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

my pleasure! Paine  03:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Question about jersey colors

I'm trying to update the infobox for 2023 Tour of Britain to insert the Tour of Britain.svg into the first color field. But when I do, the code breaks, and I can't quite figure out how to fix it. When I insert the template code for the icon ('Tour of Britain') the infobox template seems to be auto-inserting the prefix of "jersey " which subsequently breaks the link. I tried inserting the whole cjersey template code, but that doesn't work either. Obviously a newcomer to using these kinds of templates, so if someone would be so kind as as to guide me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it!

Update: I found a work around, but I'm not sure if it's the appropriate one. In the edit preview, I click on the link generated by the broken code, which takes me to an upload page, where I've uploaded the image file. This works just fine, but it means uploading a duplicate, instead of using the existing file in the commons. I made the file, so there's no license issue, but it doesn't seem like the best resource allocation for wikimedia.

Boodyb (talk) 00:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Total time

As per a discussion for 2022 Tour de France Femmes, MOS:UNITSYMBOLS seems to indicate that a 26h 55' 44" format is not acceptable, and we should use 26:55′44″ or 26 hr 55 min 44 sec or 26 h 55 m 44 s instead. Turini2 (talk) 09:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)