Template talk:Harvrefcol

Checklist To Do:

*Add Vol to books

*Add Pt (part) to books

*Add Trans (translator) to books

Example of planned formatting options:

Jung, C. G. (1959). The self. In H. Read, M. Fordham, & G. Adler (Eds.) (R. F. C. Hull,Trans.), The collected works of C. G. Jung. (Vol. 9, Pt. 2, pp. 23-35). New York: Pantheon. (Original work published 1948)

Current incarnations:

• Blust, R. (1999). "Subgrouping, circularity and extinction: some issues in Austronesian comparative linguistics" in E. Zeitoun & P.J.K Li (Eds.) Selected papers from the Eighth International Conference on Austronesian Linguistics (3rd ed., pp. 31-94). Taipei: Academia Sinica. ISBN 1727182
• Diamond, Jared M (2000). Taiwan's gift to the world. (PDF). Nature 403:709-710.

Period after title

There needs to be a period and a space after the title of a book. At the moment, {{Harvrefcol|Surname=Bloch-Rozmej|Given=Anna|Year=1998|Title=Elements Interactions in Phonology: A Study in Connemara Irish|Publisher=Ph.D. dissertation, [[John Paul II Catholic University of Lublin|Catholic University of Lublin]]|ISBN=83-228-0641-8}} results in: Bloch-Rozmej, Anna (1998). Elements Interactions in Phonology: A Study in Connemara IrishPh.D. dissertation, Catholic University of Lublin. ISBN 83-228-0641-8. It should instead be: Bloch-Rozmej, Anna (1998). Elements Interactions in Phonology: A Study in Connemara Irish. Ph.D. dissertation, Catholic University of Lublin. ISBN 83-228-0641-8 (with a period and a space between "Irish" and "Ph.D."). —Angr 09:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

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• Bloch-Rozmej, Anna (1998). Elements Interactions in Phonology: A Study in Connemara Irish. Ph.D. dissertation, Catholic University of Lublin. ISBN 83-228-0641-8

Yes, thank you. The template incorrectly assumed there would necessarily be a "Place" parameter associated with a "Publisher" parameter. Fixed. --Ling.Nut 12:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I see. Somewhere in all this citation documentation there's a suggestion that the "Place" parameter be omitted if the place of publication is deducible from the name of the publisher (where else would the Catholic University of Lublin be located but Lublin?). —Angr 20:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Ha. :-) The documentation is (for the most part) copied from {{Harvard reference}}, and needs serious editing. Besides, it seems we're talking about two different issues. One is whether or not one logically should include the "Place" in a given reference, and the second is whether the template is structured to correctly handle the omission of the "Place." I wasn't saying you should or shouldn't include the "place." I was saying the template didn't handle that situation correctly.

• There are still details that need to be refined. I plan to get the rest ironed out after my Final exams for this semester (which begin more or less right now).

--Ling.Nut 21:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Help Needed

On the archaeology Wikiproject page it says using the Harvard Referencing system is recommended. And I prefer it anyway. I'm editing a page where there are only a couple of references and I added those. What is the correct and easiest way for this example. I'm using a book called The First Emperor - China's Terracotta Army. Editor Jane Portal The British Museum Press 2007 it's made up of individually authored chapters. So, if I want to reference p 167 of the chapter called The Terracotta Army by Lukas Nickel, how do I do that? Thanks.

Hi Doug, the Harvard ref after the sentence would be (Nickel 2007, p. 167) — or (Nickel 2007:167) — then in the References section at the end of the article, you would write:

• Nickel, Lukas. "The Terracotta Army" in Portal, Jane. (ed.) The First Emperor - China's Terracotta Army. British Museum Press, 2007.

The above assumes that the Lukas Nickel paper was first published in this book.

There's more information on how to write Harvard refs here. SlimVirgin ^talk|edits 13:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, you are helpful as always. But how do the templates work and the back referencing? In particular the Harvrefcol one. Or is it easier just to do it manually?--Doug Weller (talk) 13:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

My opinion is that it's easier to do it manually, because it involves less typing. I have never understood the point of the templates, notwithstanding that this is the template talk page. (I am here as a conscientious objector). :) SlimVirgin ^talk|edits 14:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

That seems sensible, I thought there was some arcane knowledge about using them I was missing. I'll use them just as I have in the past when writing essays, etc.--Doug Weller (talk) 15:49, 29 March 2008 (UTC):-)

Deprecate or merge

This template produces output which is very similar to {{cite book}} {{citation}}, the principle difference being that the arguments to this template are capitalized. Should this template be deprecated? It is used in only a few a hundred articles, which could eventually be fixed by Citation bot. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 08:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Since no one has argued that this shouldn't be merged, I will begin removing this template from articles that use it. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 07:34, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

This is now used in less than thirty articles. I argue that we should deprecate it, and move the remaining articles to "Citation". ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 03:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

You could always propose this at WP:TFD. You may want to look at the prior TFDs to get an idea of type of objections folks had, if any (e.g., [1] and [2] and [3]). Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:46, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

These are discussions of {{harvcolnb}} and {{harvcol}}, not this template. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Down to fifteen articles, still no objections. Posting on talk pages. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 09:39, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Down to the three featured articles: Georg Cantor, Battle of Red Cliffs and Taiwanese Aborigines. Finally ran into an objection at Taiwanese Aborigines, although this was an objection to standardization in principle, not a defense of {{harvrefcol}} in particular. Leaving these three for a month or two, I think, to see if anything else comes up, and to see if anyone else objects anywhere else. After that, I will go to WP:TFD. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 07:58, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I've done Georg Cantor and Battle of Red Cliffs. Mark Hurd (talk) 16:27, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

• This is LSA format.  – Ling.Nut —Preceding undated comment added 00:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC).

I have mentioned there is only one article left here. Mark Hurd (talk) 08:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Postscript: this template produces a format which is preferred by at least one editor and therefor should not be deleted. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 22:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Highlight

This template does not currently support highlighting the target citation. I have added this feature to {{Harvrefcol/sandbox}}. Examples:

Current

{{harv|Drucker|1971}}

*{{Harvrefcol |Surname=Drucker |Given=S. |Title=History of Hooterville |Year=1971}}.

(Drucker 1974)

• Drucker, S. (1971). History of Hooterville

Sandbox

{{harv|Douglas |1971}}

*{{Harvrefcol/sandbox |Surname=Douglas |Given=O. |Title=History of Pixley |Year=1971}}.

(Douglas 1971)

• Missing author name; missing year. Missing title.

I also propose that the documentation be moved to a subpage using {{documentation}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 16:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks good to me. I think moving the documentation to a doc page is not very controversial, so I will do that posthaste. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 23:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Rename

The name of this template does no accurately reflect its use. I propose to rename it Cite LSA. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 11:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Deprecated

This template should not be used. It currently exists only to allow existing usages of the template to display properly where it is transcluded. To cite a source in the LSA style, use {{Cite LSA}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)