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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:03, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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Take a Knee, My Ass (I Won't Take a Knee) edit

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Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 14:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC).

  • Full review to follow, but I don't think ALT0 is interesting to a broad audience. Perhaps more hooks could be suggested here? One suggestion could be one that plays on the song's title, another suggestion would tie it to it being written as a response to the anthem kneelings. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
  • On the contrary, the hook is humorous and interesting if you understand the context (NFL players protesting the American national anthem), which has received worldwide coverage. SounderBruce 07:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
I know, but while the NFL anthem protests are big news over in the United States, I'm not sure if it's the case elsewhere. Most people are vaguely aware of it I suppose, but I suppose that even as someone who follows the NFL, I don't really see how the "bringing people together" part is interesting, since I don't know if people can get the connection immediately. Like I said, I think one possible suggestion here is an alternate hook that makes the connection to the anthem protests explicit. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:07, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Would respectfully request that you review the article instead. As Bruce notes, the humour and 'hookiness' is obvious. I would like to see this being run. Kingoflettuce (talk) 15:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - n
  • Other problems: No - As mentioned above, I really don't see how "bringing people together" is hooky at first glance. It makes sense if you understand the context, but even to those familiar with the anthem protests (such as myself) may not get it immediately, and in fact without the context, a song "bringing people together" is not really that interesting (especially since it's supposed to be a patriotic song, and patriotic songs are really intended to be like that).
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I have struck ALT0 per my previous comnments in this discussion. As my suggestion, I think the article title is itself very hooky and one suggestion I have is to work on a hook that ties in to that. Other possibilites include linking the song to the anthem protests (i.e. "DYK that the song TAKMY(IWTAK) was written in response to the NFL anthem protests?" or something to that effect), or even a hook that references the song's negative reception (this quote "(it) sounds, to the casual listener, like McCoy is ordering his own buttocks to drop to the ground and pay their ass-y respects" sounds funnier, actually). Or possibly even a hook saying that while McCoy wrote the song, he was sympathetic to the protests? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:09, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

  • Directly calling out its connection to the protests makes the hook lose its luster. Concealing it within the link could work:
  • As for the second bit, there is coverage of the grammatical failings of the title and it could be made into a hook like so:
The top option is somewhat better, but again I'm not really sure on it. Anti-protest songs do generally attempt to "bring people together" so it's not unusual. The second one is somewhat interesting, but the hook fact is not mentioned in the article.
We'll need to have a second review here on the appropriateness of the two new ALTs. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:25, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
The link to "unforeseen manner" is totally irrelevant IMO, and I don't find the hook very compelling even without it. The other hook looks okay to me. EEng, do you see any possibilities with this one? Gatoclass (talk) 08:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed for ALT1; I have struck ALT2 per Gatoclass, and as EEng hasn't replied in the past month, it's time to move on without them. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:02, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1 is fine. While the motivation may not be unusual for an anti-protest song, anti-protest songs are themselves unusual, at least at DYK, so I think this will pique readers' interest. (ALT2 is how I read the song title myself, but would require some expansion of the article (pun fully intended), since the only misreading discussed there to date is as an instruction to McCoy's own behind to genuflect) › Mortee talk 15:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
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