Template:Did you know nominations/Rathindranath Tagore

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 18:22, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Rathindranath Tagore edit

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Tagore in 1953

~~... that Rathindranath Tagore (pictured) was the first vice-chancellor of the Visva-Bharati University?~~

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Carl H. Lindroth

Created by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 15:39, 1 June 2019 (UTC).

Can a better hook be proposed here? I don't think that university is well-known outside of India, so it wouldn't be clear to non-Indian readers how being the first leader of this university is a big deal. I wouldn't be opposed to including that fact in a hook though: perhaps you can include that he's Rabindrananth Tagore's son? 11:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I'd be opposed to letting the hook rest on family ties, even to a known person, and I doubt that that person is known better than the university. The hook works fine for me, - no, I don't know the university but am ready to find out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Well Rabindranath Tagore is quite a famous person, even outside India, and it would feel like a waste not to mention him somewhere. I would not have been opposed to the current hook had the university been well known outside India, but alas. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

We disagree about that a thing mentioned in a hook has to be known already, - I say no, we have a link, and a university where the subject held a position seems better suited to speak about the subject than someone famous, but just related. We just had the hook about the O'Keeffe sister who didn't use the famous name because she wanted to be her own, not just a famous woman's sister. That was the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Just kicking my heels here, waiting for a nomination of mine to be reviewed. Can I suggest an alternative?

ALT1: ~~... that Rathindranath Tagore (pictured) resigned the Vice-Chancelorship of the Visva-Bharati University after embarking on a relationship with the wife of a professor there?~~ It seems to me that more of the article is devoted to this relationship than to his academic career. Scolaire (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
I think that again deviates from what he did, - mentioning that he resigned for a relationship may be better. Royroydeb, can you please decide if the woman's name should be Mira or Meera? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

(I was away, so I could not reply earlier). @Narutolovehinata5:. As pointed by @Gerda Arendt:, the particular university is linked within the hook. Mira has been changed to Meera as it is the most commonly used spelling (some even spell it Meira like Meira Kumar). Although, I prefer the original hook, I would suggest another one

ALT2: ~~... that Rathindranath Tagore (pictured) was the first vice-chancellor of the Visva-Bharati University which was founded by his father Rabindranath Tagore?~~ RRD (talk) 13:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I hope a prep builder will take into account that you and I prefer the original. - ALT2 sounds a bit like: no wonder he got the position being the founder's son. - Detailed bio on good sources, Bengali sources accepted AGF. Please mark them all als in Bengali. The image is licensed and a good illustration. I recomment combining his marriage and relationship to one section "Private life". I also doubt the "filled with controversy" in the lead is a good summary, - perhaps drop that sentence, or write a better one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

@Royroydeb: The article has some clarification tags which need addressing before this can be promoted. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

@Royroydeb: The clarification needed tags are still there. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: I had been inactive for a long time. I have now removed the tags with explanations. RRD (talk) 16:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Replacing tick. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Returned from prep for a better hook. See discussion at WT:DYK#Prep 3: Vice-Chancellor. Yoninah (talk) 21:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Proposing possible alternative hooks, based on a proposal by Alanscottwalker:

ALT3... that Rathindranath Tagore, who became the first vice-chancellor of Visva-Bharati University, joined in the development of the school at the urging of his Nobel Prize-winning father?

ALT4... that Rathindranath Tagore, who became the first vice-chancellor of Visva-Bharati University, initially became involved with school at the urging of his Nobel Prize-winning father?

I'm not sure if this will be good enough (it was modified to reflect article content, since he didn't become vice-chancellor until after Rabindranath's death, and a word other than "joined" could be used instead for ALT3), but it's probably more interesting than simply saying he was the first vice-chancellor of that university. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I dunno, why the hook of a person who became the first vice-chancellor of an university is being considered "uninteresting" persistently even when the university has been linked. I have got no option but to agree to the new hooks. 15:01, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Pass ALT4 please. ∯WBG^converse 13:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Who? I think it's missing a "the" (most kids become involved with school urged by their parents)), and I liked the original one better. Someone else please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

This has been stuck for several weeks now after being pulled. Can a review please be done for the hooks so that this nomination can move forward? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to review this: the article is long/new enough, there are no unsourced paragraphs, hooks are cited/interesting (ALT3 is my favorite), there are no outstanding tags, article is stable/neutral, images have the appropriate licenses, and I could not determine any copyright violations for the foreign language sources. Hook is accepted in good faith since the source is in Bengali. QPQ is done. MX (✉ • ✎) 13:29, 19 August 2019 (UTC)