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The result was: promoted by Victuallers (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
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Nature Reserve of Saint Bartholomew, Île Frégate edit
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- ... that Réserve naturelle nationale de Saint-Barthélemy, which includes Île Frégate, was established in 1996 with the objective of conserving coral reefs, sea grass beds and marine life?
Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk), and Rosiestep (talk). Nominated by Nvvchar (talk) at 18:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC).
New enough (creation and expansion), long enough, good sources. The hook seems boring, saying something you could possibly say about any marine nature preserve. How about the number of coral and fish species, or mentioning interesting ones? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the review. Hook is revised to
- ALT1:
... that the Saint-Barthélemy, which includes Île Frégate, has 45 species of coral reefs, 165 species of fish, sea urchins, starfish, shell fish, crustaceans and sea turtles?--Nvvchar. 14:27, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
- Much better. How about mentioning coral reefs also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
- It was getting to be more than 200 ch. I have added the coral reefs also now and adjusted within the ALT1 Hook.--Nvvchar. 13:22, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Reworded (we need somehow that it is a nature reserve, reefs are not a species and the many links distract from the new articles):
- ALT2:
... that the nature reserve Saint-Barthélemy, which includes Île Frégate, protects 45 species of coral and 165 of fish, sea urchins, starfish, shell fish, crustaceans and sea turtles?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:21, 19 June 2015 (UTC)- Fine. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 17:47, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- It was getting to be more than 200 ch. I have added the coral reefs also now and adjusted within the ALT1 Hook.--Nvvchar. 13:22, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
- Much better. How about mentioning coral reefs also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Reviewer needed to check ALT2 suggested by Gerda Arendt. Thanks. --Nvvchar. 16:54, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Verified ALT2 as being correct and referenced in the source.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
- I removed this from Prep because of the inadequate hook. The figures given are sourced to a waterskiing guide, and the hook is ambiguous; does the 165 figure refer just to fish species, or to all the other marine animals mentioned? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- How about no figures?
- ALT3:
... that the nature reserve Saint-Barthélemy, which includes Île Frégate, protects species of coral, sea urchins, starfish, shell fish, crustaceans and sea turtles?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 10 July 2015 (UTC)- I switched the sentence as it means this in the source. Still, not a highly unusual number of fish. I'd recommend swtiching ALT2 so less ambiguous, like
- ALT4:
... that the nature reserve Saint-Barthélemy, which includes Île Frégate, protects sea urchins, starfish, shell fish, crustaceans, sea turtles, 165 species of fish and 45 of coral?
- ALT4:
- I switched the sentence as it means this in the source. Still, not a highly unusual number of fish. I'd recommend swtiching ALT2 so less ambiguous, like
Agree that is a lousy source, but it's not an extravagant claim really. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Alt4 is better so I am striking the other hooks. It would be nice to have a better source for the figures however. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:44, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- In the lead of Île Frégate, the fact that Île Frégate is included in the Réserve naturelle nationale de Saint-Barthélemy is sourced to Greenberg, p. 47, but no mention is made of Île Frégate on that page of the source. Yoninah (talk) 09:55, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- Why not to use English name such as National nature reserve of Saint Barthélemy or Saint Barthélemy National Nature Reserve? Why a privilege for French? There are other protected areas of France naturally named in English such as Roc de Chère National Nature Reserve, Sabot de Frotey National Nature Reserve etc. Hanberke (talk) 16:54, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
- I was wondering why the hook doesn't use more natural English, i.e., "that the Saint-Barthélemy nature reserve" or even "that the St. Barts nature reserve", since the island is called "St. Barts" in English. Using "National Nature Reserve" rather than "nature reserve" should also work. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- I have changed the name of the article to Saint-Barthélemy nature reserve. Malhotra and Thorpe reference is a snippet. However, I have now added another reference in the lead in Île Frégate. I propose a slight modification of ALT4 as this ALT5 hook now
... that the Saint-Barthélemy nature reserve, which includes Île Frégate, protects sea urchins, starfish, shell fish, crustaceans, sea turtles, 165 species of fish and 45 of coral?--Nvvchar. 13:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- I have changed the name of the article to Saint-Barthélemy nature reserve. Malhotra and Thorpe reference is a snippet. However, I have now added another reference in the lead in Île Frégate. I propose a slight modification of ALT4 as this ALT5 hook now
- I was wondering why the hook doesn't use more natural English, i.e., "that the Saint-Barthélemy nature reserve" or even "that the St. Barts nature reserve", since the island is called "St. Barts" in English. Using "National Nature Reserve" rather than "nature reserve" should also work. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:09, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- I wonder why - if English - we don't take what's on their website: Natural Reserve of Saint Bartholomew, or Saint Bartholomew natural reserve of Saint Bartholomew? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- Reviewers may please decide what title I should use so that I can change it accordingly.--Nvvchar. 16:57, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- I wonder why - if English - we don't take what's on their website: Natural Reserve of Saint Bartholomew, or Saint Bartholomew natural reserve of Saint Bartholomew? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. I've moved the article to the name appearing on the English language official website and offer ALT6:
... that the Nature Reserve of Saint Bartholomew, which includes Île Frégate, protects sea urchins, starfish, shell fish, crustaceans, sea turtles, 165 species of fish and 45 of coral?--Rosiestep (talk) 23:30, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- Hm... ALT6 doesn't really pull me in yet to want to go and read the article. That a nature preserve preserves aquatic wildlife feels somewhat axiomatic. Is there nothing [more] unique about this particular preserve? (If I am a fish, I don't feel a hook in my mouth yet.) I just had a look at the official web page: how about ALT7:
... that the Nature Reserve of Saint Bartholomew is currently battling an invasion of lionfish?(this fact is not in the article— yet... But talk about "hooking a fish!").KDS4444Talk 17:18, 24 July 2015 (UTC) - I have added text from the reference suggested by User:KDS4444. There are two articles in this hook here, and hence I am modifying the ALT7 Hook to
- ALT8 ... that the Nature Reserve of Saint Bartholomew, which includes Île Frégate, is battling an invasion of lionfish?--Nvvchar. 10:05, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Hm... ALT6 doesn't really pull me in yet to want to go and read the article. That a nature preserve preserves aquatic wildlife feels somewhat axiomatic. Is there nothing [more] unique about this particular preserve? (If I am a fish, I don't feel a hook in my mouth yet.) I just had a look at the official web page: how about ALT7:
- Thanks for the review. I've moved the article to the name appearing on the English language official website and offer ALT6:
- ALT8, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:49, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- ALT8. I love it. KDS4444Talk 11:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks to both reviewers.--Nvvchar. 18:07, 29 July 2015 (UTC)