Talk:West Ham United F.C./Archive 2

Archive 1

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West Ham United F.C. goal records

The West Ham United F.C. goal records page on Wikipedia has not been updated since 20 January 2007 and this does not look very good with players such as Harewood and Sheringham shown as current. Is anyone able to put it all right? Rrsmac 23:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Too many pages?

Why do West Ham have so many separate articles on Wikipedia? Is there really a need for separate articles for their goalscoring records, their appearance records, their hooligans, a detailed review of their current season, a timeline of the club, an explanation of the nickname of their youth development scheme, and a season-by-season overview? 84.92.8.221 14:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Whenever I create something new, some other wikipedian always comes along and decides to seperate it all up (the timeline used to be part of this article, the history was butchered into its current form by another one etc). However, in the end, wikipedia isn't limited by page numbers. So as long as there are people to maintain and update and create informative articles - then there will be lots of them.--Koncorde 20:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Honours

I have removed the countless Runners Up positions in this area as well as 3rd place in the LeagueStatto74 10:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protect

I would suggest to semi-protect this article because there has been a lot of vandalism from non-registered users lately.

Just my opinion is all. - 24framespersecond (talk) 07:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, just had to clear a load of rubbish from the current squad section, apparently Kaka played for West Ham! User:Oliwestham (User talk:Oliwestham) 23:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Trevor Hartley

Hi, I have initiated a small article on Trevor Hartley because he was for a very short time in managerial roles at Spurs ( I know another sad THFC supporter!). Anyhow I know little about his time at WHU as player apart from what was readily available on the www. So please add anything you think is relevant, thanks Tmol42 (talk) 23:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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Infobox

Don't mean to revert and start a revert war off, but Sarumio is probably right to set the top name to the "short name" of the club (i.e. "West Ham Utd", or even "West Ham") and leave the full name below. In the case of teams such as "Portsmouth" and "Arsenal" it's obviously a little more contentious in that they are basically the same name as that of the town/area in which they exist. "West Ham United/Utd" however is clearly still representative of the team and common enough to recognise.A similar comment could be made about the intro to most of the football teams in England:

"West Ham United Football Club is an English football club".

It does look untidy to repeatedly tell the world that the football club is a football club who play their football in the football league against other football teams called football clubs. etc etcKoncorde (talk) 13:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

"Supporters" section

I've discovered a couple of excellent public domain photos of West Ham supporters from the 1920s/30s, but there's nowhere in the "Supporters" section to fit one. Would anyone object if one of the two huge blockquotes was moved/removed.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem here - look forward to seeing them. Up to you but the Bubbles quote is quite adequately covered by the article I'm forever blowing bubbles and the Bow Bells song is, at best, historical. I've been following them since 1963 and I've never heard it on the terraces.--Egghead06 (talk) 16:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Just remembered I was meant to be doing the above - d'oh! Anyway, I managed to get a photo in without having to remove any of the song words......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Gianfranco Zola listed as manager

Zola is not the manager! they are still deciding. i was just wondering why he's listed as the manager, when he's never been confirmed as it! Read link from today's bbc sport please... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/7598744.stm Simonyoung69 (talk) 12:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Chairman

The chairman of West Ham is Björgólfur Guðmundsson not the guy that is listed, he has nothing to do with West Ham. Look here:http://www.whufc.com/page/Staff/0,,12562,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.211.34 (talk) 14:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Timmy Mallett-gate

Some inexperienced wikipedia users seem to be insisting on adding this section to the Trivia section. The instruction in the big box to not add miscellaneous information in list format but to instead distribute throughout the article is obviously not clear enough for these editors. I am therefore campaigning for support for these so called editors to refrain from disobeying direct requests from Wikipedia and allow real editors to get on with their work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.215.105 (talk) 19:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

You have made up this name Mallett-gate to satisfy some need to put in this 7 year old non-notable and trivial info. Please stop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.37.8 (talk) 08:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I think the fact that the sources for this article are the BBC and a national newspaper and not the West Ham Chronicle suggest that this is a notable article and worthy of inclusion - especially when you compare these internationally known sources to most of the other sources used in the article. I am also following the wikipedia guidance to refrain from adding 'trivia' to a miscellaneous list which should be removed anyway. I therefore feel justified in undoing your edit - you have no right to remove my creative input just because IN YOUR OPINION it is not notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.146.153 (talk) 20:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Then it seems we just disagree. You put it in with it's own special made up sub-heading of Mallet-Gate and I move it to Trivia (as this vital info is described by West Ham) - then you move it back again. So we go on until until something or someone stops us. Your move next I believe? Is this what they call an edit war??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.131.128 (talk) 11:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is. Your argument is ridiculous. You can't cite West Ham's opinion that the matter was trivial as your justification for putting this entry into the trivia section. They aren't exactly an unbiased source are they? It would be like me citing Timmy Mallett as saying that it was of world-importance. I have used two entirely unbiased sources - the BBC and Guardian - who also happen to be national bodies. They clearly felt that the matter was of enough interest to the whole nation to write dedicated articles about the event. I therefore can't see that, using your current reasoning, your argument that this matter is simply trivia has any basis whatsoever. Find an unbiased source saying this is trivial and then maybe I might agree with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.166.141 (talk) 10:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Péter Kurucz

Is Péter Kurucz our sub keeper?

PaperMate123 (talk) 08:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

He was on the bench against Blackburn so I guess he is the sub keeper. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Zavon Hines

Zavon has been selected by England U-21s for an upcoming fixture. He has been previously selected by Jamaica but never played in the match. All this means that his little flag should be changed (if he plays) from Jamaica to that of England. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.136.221 (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Records

I'm not a West Ham fan im just browsing i noticed your records section tells you of record defeats. is there any reason why the more positive record wins is missing? Babydoll9799 (talk) 10:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Tone of Troubled Zola season

This section is written more like journalistic comment than in an encyclopedic tone, and would benefit from more references. I'd fix it myself, but I'm not an expert on where to find these. Bearing in mind WP:BLP, we are talking about a living person here, and sources are required. Rodhullandemu 15:53, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Avram Grant

Avram Grant

Grant is being reported by sky as agreeing details to manage West Ham. Off2riorob (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

The story from the official team website has been added as a source. (see reference 2) UnknownThing (talk) 06:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Plus I think some more references for the Avram Grant appointment will suit the article better. UnknownThing (talk) 17:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Ilan and Mido not on the team list

Is there any reason why the above two players aren't on the team list? Just thought I would ask before I added them in, in case there was a specific reason Skamecrazy123 (talk) 03:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I just found out the quite possible reason why --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 03:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Honours

I see that the Bobby Moore trophy and the SBOBET cup are included as honours, but these are one-off friendlies basically for advertisement. Should they really be included? I also remember West Ham beating Vitesse Arnhem for the Out Performance Display Trophy at Roots Hall in a similar pre-season match but this is not included.. should they be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.7.253 (talk) 16:02, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

IMHO including these as 'trophies' is scraping the bottom of the barrel. I'm all for removal.--Egghead06 (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd agree, friendly honours such as these have no place in this section. Indeed I believe the whole BSOBET cup section should be removed as it gives undue prominence to a very minor competition. Dpmuk (talk) 08:58, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Miralem Sulejmani from current squad

I've removed this player from the squad list as although reliable sources (see Miralem Sulejmani) are reporting the move to be happening they're also stating that it's dependent on the granting of a work permit. It would seem, therefore, that he's not actually a West Ham player until the permit is granted and so is inclusion in the squad list is inappropriate. Dpmuk (talk) 22:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Trevor Brooking and Kevin Keen

Instead of toing and froing deleting and readding these two to the Managers section I have readded Keen as Brooking is there. Either both should be in or both out. For completeness I would put them in as they were both caretakers managers but if anyone has any strong reasons why not please add here.--Egghead06 (talk) 14:48, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

They should both be in. There's no alternative view that could convince me otherwise. They managed a game, they were interim managers officially according to the Board. There can be absolutely no other way of looking at it. Anonymous edits should be reverted and protection requested if need be. Koncorde (talk) 16:04, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't you think it's ridiculous to include Trevor Brooking and Kevin Keen (who only 'managed' the club for one match) in the manager list, when they were NEVER managers of West Ham United? I think it makes this wikipedia page look amatuerish and I can't understand the decision to change this. Please change is back to only include the thirteen official permanent West Ham United managers in the list. I beg you! Thanks, West Ham United supporter (anon). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.253.96 (talk) 20:43, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

No, it's entirely in-keeping with the official records of West Ham Utd to include the list of people that have managed the club even in a care taker role. Much like including Alan Shearer during his period in charge of Newcastle, or Stewart Houston, Pat Rice, Steve Burtenshaw at Arsenal, or Peter Taylor, Howard Wilkinson or Joe Mercer in their roles as England Manager. I'm also a West Ham fan, as I believe is Egghead. Koncorde (talk) 21:54, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Famous fans

Is it worth having a separate section for this (as per QPR and others)? There is a big list on Upton Lark [1], although some of those are surely debatable.

Famous people that could be considered West Ham fans include:

• Michael Jackson, singer and musician

Nick Frost, actor and comedian

• Steve Harris, Iron Maiden bassist, who actually played for West Ham's youth team before becoming a musician - not sure playing for the youth team qualifies him to be in the Famous players list
• Elijah Wood, who attended games at Upton Park whilst filming Green Street - see below
• Ray Winstone
• Lennox Lewis - although he also mentioned Crystal Palace and one of the north London clubs in the interview I saw (sorry, I can't remember which one)
• Todd Carty
• David Essex
• Kris Akabusi
• Jamie Borthwick, young award winning actor
• etc

Elijah Wood is as big a fan of WH as Blair is of Newcastle !! Now Keira Knightley was taken to UP from a very early age by her Dad and is a fan. + David Essex, Kris Akabusi

Esprit 14:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, Elijah Wood was the main reason I said could ;-) I was going to look up the quotes and follow that up. I'll do that now. I have a copy of Hammers News (12.2 - Oct 2005) where they interview him. He is pictured wearing a West Ham shirt. The relevant questions are:

After the first game, people usually become Hammers' fans for life, was that the case for you?

I was definately hooked on the experience straight away, and if I was a sports fan then I'd probably be a die hard West Ham fan right now. The only thing is that I've never really followed sports, even in America. I normally only tend to get involved in sports when there is geniune human drama involved, like in Play-Offs or Cup Finals, because then there is something at stake which makes it more interesting for me.

Will you watch the Hammers' games in future or look out for their results?

I'll definately look out for their results. I think I may even do it subconsciously to a certain degree after being part of it. i know if I ever pick up an English magazine or newspaper I'll definately turn to the sports page and look for the Hammers' results because of the amazing experience I had at the club. It was a fascinating experience for me to be thrust into your world for even the short period of time that I was involved in it. To live in east London and get to know east London, after having hardly spent any time at all there, was an excellent experience.

I think Tony Blair is an Arse. He lived ten minutes from Highbury before becoming PM. [note: he probably isn't, I just couldn't resist the opportunity of that first sentence]

N (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

These so-called 'lists of celebrity fans' should be avoided at all costs. They add nothing and often are very wrong. See [2] as an example of a 'West Ham' fan!--Egghead06 (talk) 11:11, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Archiving?

I'm thinking that this page has now got long enough that archiving is warranted. If no one objects I'll set up archiving for threads over 90 days old in a few days. Dpmuk (talk) 22:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Now done. Dpmuk (talk) 10:15, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Biggest fan?!

Vandalism I think.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.125.98 (talk) 14:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Ownership

This section of the page is absolutely dreadful. Terence Brown had a 37% shareholding in West Ham, he was not the owner, he did not even have a full controlling influence. About 85% of the club was owned by institutional shareholders (like Barclays Bank), Brown and the families of the club's founders. -- Crazyknight (talk) 14:06, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

If you have reliable sources to this effect you could let us all in on the ownership details?--Egghead06 (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Olympic Stadium

In 2011 there is no way of verifying when/if West Ham will vacate the Boleyn Ground, when/if they will move to the Olympic Stadium, the final seating capacity of this stadium and certainly not what it will be after conversion to a football ground.--Egghead06 (talk) 07:58, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Harry Redknapp

Under Managers acheivements I have ameded Intertoto cup winners 1999 to joint winners as Montpellier and Juventus also claimed the trophy that season too.Statto74 (talk) 13:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

London Wiki

There is a page request for West Ham United FC on London Wiki - [www.london.wikia.com] - could someone develop it please? Jackiespeel (talk) 22:17, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Nicknames

Only West Ham fans call them "The Acadamy" this should be stated on the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.186.127 (talk) 13:48, 12 November 2011‎

That isn't true, I'm afraid (and I'm not a West Ham fan). It's quite widely used in the media. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Rivalries

West Ham and Tottenham are not rivals from the Tottenham perspective. This is a deeply one sided rivalry that Tottenham fans do not recognise in the slightest. It would be like West Ham and Barnet suddenly having a deep hatred for one another. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.186.127 (talk) 13:48, 12 November 2011‎

If that's the case, then please add references to a reliable published source to the article to confirm it. This 2003 survey (scroll down to the last couple of pages) suggests that West Ham fans regarded Tottenham as their 2nd-choice rival, after Millwall, and Spurs fans regarded West Ham as their 3rd rival, after Arsenal and Chelsea. Thing is, without supporting references, it's just an opinion that the rivalry is one-sided, and we're not here to report personal opinions. Though I think it's about time the existing contents of the section were properly sourced. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

There is a rivalry between the clubs and added refs show this. If some fans believe this is not so then this is their own view. Don't confuse the history and rivalry between the clubs and the views of fans - they are not always the same thing.--Egghead06 (talk) 16:11, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Squad table format

A discussion is being held here on the possibility of rolling out a new squad template. The new template, named {{football squad player2}}, differs from the standard squad layout in several ways:

• It features a sort function
• Comes in a single column format that can be understood by screen readers.
  • Single column format ensures that low resolution browsers, including mobile devices, do not get part or all of the second column cut off.
  • Single column format ensures less clutter, particularly at lower resolutions, for wide sections such as the Arsenal loan section.
• It gives nationality its own column; at present flags are featured in a blank, untitled column
• It complies with Wikipedia's guidance on flag usage.
• It leaves enough space to add images of current players, an example of which can be seen at Watford F.C#Current squad.

It is proposed that the new template be added to some of Wikipedia's most high-profile club articles, which might include West Ham United F.C.. To give your thoughts, please read and contribute to the discussion at WikiProject Football.

Regards, Edinburgh Wanderer 19:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Daniel Potts

There is some toing and froing re his flag icon. West Ham are now showing him with the US flag as they do Guy Demel the Ivorian flag even though he is a French citizen. Even though it irks me surely the US flag should be used until he gets picked by England if ever. Any comments?.REVUpminster (talk) 19:59, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

It works the other way around for wikipedia (and I suspect FIFA), until they are selected for the full competitive International team (to my knowledge) they are still technically their mother nation. Koncorde (talk) 00:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

• http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/Youth/US-Under20-Men/Statistics/2011-Statistics.aspx This is the cite on his article page for Potts 21 mins for the USA. REVUpminster (talk) 18:01, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Not a full cap. In theory Potts could still be called up for England. Koncorde (talk) 19:54, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

• True Just as well Almunia never stayed. He's eligible for England.REVUpminster (talk) 20:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Nationality up in the air again as he has been picked for the England U18 squad for a friendly against Poland and West Han are confusing the issue by changing his flag icon from american to english in the Millwall programme.REVUpminster (talk) 07:57, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

• Update yesterdays programme against southampton is still displaying the english icon.REVUpminster (talk) 08:14, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Maybe the people who compile the programme don't use Wikipedia's criteria for flag use and nationality?--Egghead06 (talk) 08:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

• When he represents England I presume the icon will change to English.REVUpminster (talk) 10:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

If he does, yes. --Jimbo^[online] 02:24, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

He didREVUpminster (talk) 11:18, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

WANG HAIBO

West Ham have signed Asian prospect Wang Haibo for only 5 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TommyLADED (talk • contribs) 21:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Good - you'll be able to supply a reference for this signing then?--Egghead06 (talk) 05:35, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Nicknames

Can we re-write the nicknames section, to bear more relevance to the actual fans idea of the nickname of the club.

As a West Ham United fan I consider the nickname of the club to be The Irons.

The Hammers is a nickname that come more from the media than the club/fans itself.

In fact I would also put The Academy of Football ahead of the Hammers in any list for the same reason.

Koos (talk) 12:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• Irons tend to be used by older fans but Hammers is just as well used. I looked at an old official programme, incidently called Hammer, from 1971 which featured an airial photo of the Boleyn Ground titled The Home of the Hammers. As for academy I have never heard that shouted from the stands even at youth matches.REVUpminster (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

The Academy is usually only referenced by people like John Motson or in our promotional literature. It's less a nickname, and more just an honorific title.

As for which way around Hammers and Irons goes, there's references to both, and whichever way around it is is really not important given that the article has remained pretty much without complaint for 3 or 4 years now. We're almost universally referred to by 3rd parties as the Hammers regardless of our own popular term. In addition the WHUFC.com website makes numerous references to the Hammers primarily.[3] [4] Koncorde (talk) 18:32, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Away Strip

Is this right for the 2012/2013 season? Photos of last night's game (away at Old Trafford) show them wearing the 'traditional' away strip of sky blue shirts with claret hoops...Twizzlemas (talk) 18:51, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• on the minute by minute match report on the official site it was stated as the third choice strip.REVUpminster (talk) 20:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Ham_United_F.C.#Statistics_and_records

Can the Statistics and Records be put onto a separate page to make the whole article not as long? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tam1hibs (talk • contribs) 14:54, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

• It has been done but there are now two articles 1. List of West Ham United F.C. records and statistics 2. List of West Ham F.C. records and statistics. The first one is smaller than the second.REVUpminster (talk) 15:47, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

This is not an acceptable solution. We now have two very similarly named articles and who exactly are 'West Ham F.C.'?--Egghead06 (talk) 16:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Birth of West Ham

Where does this statement come from:

The reborn club continued to play their games at the Memorial Grounds in Plaistow (funded by Arnold Hills) but moved to a pitch in the Upton Park area when the team officially severed ties with the company (losing their works provisioned offices in the process). After being made groundless in 1901 the team became transient, playing their home games on a number of local teams' grounds until moving to its current home, Upton Park (in the guise of the Boleyn Ground stadium), in 1904.

My book by Charles Korr makes no mention of being transit. It says at the end of 1904 season Hills told them to vacate the memorial grounds and their office at the thames ironworks..... moved to boleyn ground in may 1904....amalgamation of west ham united and boleyn castle football club..their best players to west ham reserves....four directors of boleyn castle to purchase stock in west ham and one or more to be elected to the board of west ham. I have truncated the book. Any comments??? REVUpminster (talk) 18:31, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

As it was likely me that wrote it, there's a chance I just conflated 1901 and 1904 or some such. You are right of course, as is your source, so no idea how it got to be wrong. Koncorde (talk) 21:40, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

In fact, having looked at the main history article, perhaps someone edited it after me as I clearly didn't say anything about being transient in 1901:

"The reborn club played their games at the Memorial Grounds in Plaistow (funded by Arnold Hills) but moved to a pitch in the Upton Park area when the team officially severed ties with the company[17] (losing their works provisioned offices in the process). The new ground was originally named "The Castle", for the 1904–05 season (a local pub in Plaistow to this day is called "The Castle"[25]) sited on a plot of land near Green Street House. The original gates to the ground, with the original Hammers crest (now painted in claret and blue), can be seen in Grange Road, London E13." Koncorde (talk) 21:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Ownership

This section,just expanded, regarding ownership needs qualifying as to what ownersip means. Control of West Ham by the Cearns was only because Hills never interfered as he was the majority shareholder up until his death and beyond with his family. owning 1100 shaes. 1142 of 4000 shares were unsold until 1961. REVUpminster (talk) 17:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I did consider this when expanding it. As you say ownership as a term means little if technically the club is run by a company. From 1900 until Brown owned the club, 'control' was in the hands of the Cearns. Maybe it would be more accurate to change the heading to for example, Chairmen, directors and ownership? --Egghead06 (talk) 17:19, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

• Of course West Ham was a limited company run by the minority shareholders because of Hills disinterest. There were originally 10 directors from whom the chairman was elected. The Pratts and Cearns never owned fifty per cent of the club. It was more mafia than family (my joke). It was only when directors could be paid salaries, and not just dividends, that football clubs became valuable and the rot set in (my opinion). The book I use lists all the directors and their jobs up to Jack Petchey (property developer) 1978-. He sold his shares to Terry Brown who a few years later became chairman. Becoming a PLC let in the outsiders.REVUpminster (talk) 18:37, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
• Been having a go but had to alter Will Cearns to William J Cearns so as not confuse him with his son Will Cearns. Three of his four sons Will(W F Cearns , Len (L C Cearns), and Brian (Brian R Cearns) who were all directors. REVUpminster (talk) 16:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any knowledge of Len Cearns. I created the article first assuming he was dead but could find no reference showing his death. If alive he would now be 98.--Egghead06 (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry cannot find anything at the momentREVUpminster (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

[5] suggests that he is likely to be dead as it talks about someone inheriting from him, but it doesn't provide much information and it's not a reliable source. Dpmuk (talk) 00:33, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

• This is interesting. Did he die or go into a home in 2006. http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/ww1_memoir_gives_window_on_history_1_930457 REVUpminster (talk) 09:44, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
• I have found his date of death and will add with reference to his pageREVUpminster (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

PS It now puts the birth year quoted into doubtREVUpminster (talk) 20:49, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

PPS Another handbook puts his birth as Ilford 1914, his older brother Will Southend in 1912.REVUpminster (talk) 20:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

• What is still needed was when it moved from limited company to PLC and 4000 shares turned into millions sometime between 1986 and 1995. REVUpminster (talk) 12:47, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Squad list

I've changed this back to the sortable, table version. To me it looks better and is easier to amend but if anyone has any other views, please discuss.--Egghead06 (talk) 02:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Could you divide the table into two smaller ones, because the page is unnecessarily longer? I'd do it myself, but I don't know how to do it with this table, only with previous one. Zrinschchuck 8:52, June 10, 2013

Why did it need to change? The old table was perfectly good and had uniformity with the vast majority of football club squad lists. New table is far too long and pretty ugly looking i'm sorry to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.121.16 (talk) 08:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

This list is for all 1st league teams,so do not change the list with the list you like. K.belev (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Regardless of the abrupt instructions above........An editor (not me) created a sortable table and then we launch off on a series of reverts between the two. My view doesn't count for any more than anyone else's but to keep going between the two without any discussions is not the way forward for an encyclopedia. I'm happy for it to stay as it is.--Egghead06 (talk) 20:09, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Error

The reference to Michael Jackson's pet monkey appearing in a Pear's soap commercial in the paragraph about I'm forever blowing bubbles is absurd I'm

surprised it is still there . . . can whoever edits this entry sort it out please?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.221.72.72 (talk) 16:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC) 

GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

(not missing out on this one!) - righto then, I'll go through and copyedit (please revert if I accidentally guff the meaning)and jot queries below....Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:15, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

• Ensure consistency - make sure all you either have all "Division 1", 2, etc. or "Division One, Two etc. I've seen both in the article.

• Crest and colours and Supporters, hooliganism and rivalries sections could do with some more referencing. Any given par should have a minimum of one ref...

• Any extra info on the mile end mob can be added?

• Maybe sprinkle some bits on key players to the team over various periods (e.g. in Glory Years)

Overall, nicely written and well on track to getting GA status. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for taking up this article.I am deeply sorry I am very late to respond.

• They are all the same.Division 1 is same meaning as Division One.However in some cases like Southern Division 1 it is written as 1 only not one like Football League Two instead of Football League 2.

• In glory years enough info has been provided like that of Bobby Moore and all..

It mentions what they were doing in the national team I guess, but it might be good noting how/what they did for the team itself.

Done

• Provided reference in Crest

• Can you please tell me what do you mean by "mile end mob"?

See the first sentence under Hooliganism - it doesn't specify whether thet are West Ham supporters or not....

They are West ham supporters http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209028/Man-stabbed-West-Ham-Millwall-fans-brawl-outside-stadium.html

RRD13 (talk) 16:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Also - several other sections have no inline references at all (glory years and ups and downs) - I find double checking with reliable sources always good as you often find out other interesting info or some factual errors etc,

• Have added some good refs to the Glory Years section.--Egghead06 (talk) 04:15, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
• And made a start on the Ups and Downs.--Egghead06 (talk) 04:57, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

NB: From the Castle Swifts F.C. and Old Lukes F.C. - I reckon the relationship to Castle Swifts F.C. and Old Lukes F.C. warrant a single line at the beginning of the history section. Also the material on Ted Fenton as you can see the groundwork laid for the glory years.

I think all this - to be cited and comprehensive - really needs a book or two on West Ham - do you have any? If not, maybe we should just archive this nomination and work on the suggestions without a deadline and renominate. I'd be happy to take another look as it is an interesting topic. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:50, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

NB: will ask some of the other editors who might have the book handy. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:51, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Worked on all the citations.Job done RRD13 (talk) 17:19, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

For references etc I recommend you take a look at the History of West Ham United F.C. page. I listed as many citations and books in there as I could readily get my hands on when writing the article. Koncorde (talk) 21:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, which is why (as a reviewer) I posted on the talk page there. I'd like to see folks who really know the club get the sourcing in. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:49, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Which are the things that are left to be mended?RRD13 (talk) 03:50, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

All looking good - just a few tags and it should be over the line. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:26, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

 Done Worked on those.RRD13 (talk) 16:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Wow, impressive! Okay - will pull out the criteria nowish....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

1. Well written?:

Prose quality:

Manual of Style compliance:

2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:

References to sources:

Citations to reliable sources, where required:

No original research:

3. Broad in coverage?:

Major aspects:

Focused:

4. Reflects a neutral point of view?:

Fair representation without bias:

5. Reasonably stable?

No edit wars, etc. (Vandalism does not count against GA):

6. Illustrated by images, when possible and appropriate?:

Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

Overall:

Pass or Fail: - nice piece o'work this (from a disgruntled Spurs supporter :() . Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:19, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2014

Under managers I used to update Sam Allardyce's statistical record after each West Ham game. Is it possible to provide me access to continue doing this?

After today's game, Allardyce's record as West Ham manager is Played 147, Won 559, Drew 34, Lost 54, Win percentage: 40.14%

Thanks.

Londoncalling4423 (talk) 17:09, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Done Currently the page is semi-protected due to vandalism. You will have access to the article once you make at least 10 edits and your account is 10 days old. Stickee (talk) 06:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Please update Allardyce's record to Played 148, Won 60, Drew 34, Lost 54, Win Percentage: 40.54%

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Londoncalling4423 (talk • contribs) 09:58, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Manager stats

I used to update Allardyce's stats after each game, but frustratingly I can no longer do this since the page became semi protected. With regards to Allardyce's stats under managers section, they are currently two games out of date. The correct stats are as follows:

Played 149 Won 60 Drew 33 Lost 47 Win percentage 40.27%.

Could someone please update this?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Londoncalling4423 (talk • contribs) 10:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Forever Blowing Bubbles (West Ham United album)

The above is a redirect into a reissue section on the more notable Back Home (England album) on the basis that it recycles two Bobby Moore recordings. The artwork is here http://www.amazon.co.uk/Forever-Blowing-Bubbles-West-United/dp/B00000843V/ . I suspect that if this is worth keeping (?) that there's a better place for it, in an article on West Ham supporters and songs, but I don't know where that would be. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:54, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Carrow Road up for FAC

As we run up to the 80th anniversary of Carrow Road, and a celebratory match against West Ham to commemorate the ground's first ever visitors, the article's had a good old polish. I'd welcome some supports or constructive criticism at the review page: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Carrow Road/archive1 Many thanks, --Dweller (talk) 09:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Arnautovic no 18 Javier Hernandez no 7 Fuaddinross93 (talk) 23:51, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 03:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Points Per Game in Manager section.

Would it be possible to add a Point-Per-Game metric in the Manager's performance section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vulgarandmischevious (talk • contribs) 20:09, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

A minor error

I noticed that the link to Macron (a prior kit manufacturer of WHU) is incorrect. I tried to edit it myself but found out this page is protected against vandalism from other users. So I figured I’d mention it here instead.

At the moment the active link is to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macron_(diacritic)

The correct link would be: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macron_(sportswear)

Guggex8 (talk) 17:16, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

 Done Thanks, Nzd (talk) 17:24, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2018

and do not remove the tildes and curly brackets below. -->

Sir dave gove the co founder of west ham Groveydave (talk) 12:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 15:43, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Next/last game

The beginning bit about the last and next games is not good as it is hard to keep it updated and wikipedia is not a results service! It should be removed. If people agree do it.

Headline text

==

How do you know Bowyer's Mears' and Cole's squad numbers I haven't seen them on the official site

when we be rid of mascherano

Hasn' he been transferred yet?

yes, he has gone.

OPORTO MIDFIELD 10 TELMO U 15 TRANSFER

HEllo,

Contacting West Ham Academy from Portugal.Can someone confirm summer transfer of a youth portuguese player from OPORTO squad, Telmo offensive midfielder, born 1992; is probably the best U15 player in Portugal and we are sure he is going to London but no so sure the name of the club, some rumors talk about Arsenal, some Spurs and so on; he is going to study and live in London , as we know.

Regards

Fernando Alves --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Falves2 (talk • contribs) 13:16, June 12, 2007

More vandalism

can somebody please remove the nickname 'the cheats' as it is what some moany northern fans are accusing us of being and NOT an official nickname

Envious Sheffodder Untied Athletic supporters

It's not nice to group people and instantly assume that they all do this. Just because we're from the North of England, it doesn't mean we do this. What if people from Portsmouth think you cheat as well?

Promote the Stadium & Academy of Football sections

Should the sections on the stadium & on the Academy of Football be moved up higher on the page, especially ahead of the Hooligans section? All feedback welcome, Battapieman

Craig Bellamy

I added his name to the list of ex-WH players who get a hostile reaction at Upton Park (Did this whilst not logged in into account). Not only do I know this by seeing and taking part in that on Sunday (West Ham - Man City), but I also took a picture of news article in The Sun and linked it as reference. I also added Bobby Zamora as an ex-hammer who gets praise (Again, I recall seeing this in match against Villa). I hope this isn't taken off, as I put effort into it.

Isn't the captain of West Ham Scott Parker now, instead of Matthew Upson? Or is it because Upson's injured?

Stephen Henderson

On 16 March 2012, Henderson initially joined West Ham United on emergency loan from Portsmouth until the end of the season. and was part of the squad that won the Football League Championship play-offs 2011–12 ensuring West Ham United returned immediately to the Premier League. On 21 May 2012, Henderson joined West Ham permanently on a three-year contract after his loan spell.

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Error

The reference to Michael Jackson's pet monkey appearing in a Pear's soap commercial in the paragraph about I'm forever blowing bubbles is absurd I'm

surprised it is still there . . . can whoever edits this entry sort it out please?

Error

The reference to Michael Jackson's pet monkey appearing in a Pear's soap commercial in the paragraph about I'm forever blowing bubbles is absurd I'm

surprised it is still there . . . can whoever edits this entry sort it out please?

Post-2005 seasons

"The club was found guilty and fined [blank] million in April 2007". It should be £5.5 million. according to Reuters. 124.18.71.246 (talk) 07:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC) 124.18.71.246 (talk) 07:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done, thank you. Gulumeemee (talk) 08:12, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Josh Cullen

Josh Cullen is still in the squad but has gone out on loan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.70.202 (talk) 19:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I've updated this now. Nzd (talk) 08:49, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2019

change They also won the European Cup Winners' Cup. to They also won the European Cup Winners' Cup beating 1860 Munich 2–0 in the final at Wembley Stadium. XVR (talk) 10:11, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Unnecessary detail for the lede were we are summarising multiple achievements in close succession. Koncorde (talk) 10:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Please could someone with rights correct the paragraph about Castle Swifts? The Club was called "Old Castle Swifts" which was actually the first professional club in Essex. I have linked a reference here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Castle_Swifts_F.C. IKiitX (talk) 06:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

The club was formed as Castle Swift's. They merged with Old St Luke's and became Old Castle Swift's two years later. Koncorde (talk) 07:48, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2020

hi there i would like to add a couple of players that are not on the current players list RandomGuy2002 (talk) 22:33, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Are they West Ham United F.C. Under-23s and Academy players? Koncorde (talk) 23:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 00:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2021

92.233.21.144 (talk) 12:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

can I edit west ham because Fabián Balbuena has moved to Brentford

 Not done He hasn’t and please stop adding unsupported information to articles.--Egghead06 (talk) 12:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Missing number in ownership info

The ownership and chairmen section is missing a purchase price. It currently reads:

"At the end of May 2010, Gold and Sullivan purchased a further 10% stake in the club at a cost of million. Taking their controlling stake to 60%, they announced that they could open up shares for fans to purchase.[236]"

Following the cited link [236] I believe it should read:

At the end of May 2010, Gold and Sullivan purchased a further 10% stake in the club at a cost of £8 million. Taking their controlling stake to 60%, they announced that they could open up shares for fans to purchase.[236]

Chigger2508 (talk) 03:18, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Well spotted, fixed. Koncorde (talk) 17:58, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2021

In the Origins section, please change "the sky blue shirts and white shorts combination worn through 1897 to 1899" to "the sky blue shirts and white shorts combination worn from 1897 to 1899." Incorrect use of "through". 2001:BB6:4713:4858:B86F:5935:E4FD:AAD9 (talk) 14:38, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done Pahunkat (talk) 14:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Formatting is a disaster

The Supporters section is a complete mess because of the addition of the "rquote|right" and "rquote|left" templates one above the other, together with the table from the previous section dipping down deep into this one. One sentence, on my screen, reads:

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Cup
version
–which
contains
the
original
lyrics,
and
features
vocals
from the
team's then-current players – is always played before home games, with the home crowd joining in and carrying the song on after the music stops at the verse line "Fortune's always hiding".

Can somebody with the know-how please re-format this disaster so the reader has a chance to read the article text? 2001:BB6:4713:4858:B46E:8624:611E:D6FD (talk) 09:34, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Can I ask what you are viewing this on as I am unable to recreate this issue? I am happy to reformat but not sure what is causing this to be so poorly formatted. Koncorde (talk) 11:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Firefox, Windows 10, 19" screen. I didn't mean to give the impression that the screen is blank apart from those words. "Bow Bells are ringing" is to the right, squeezing them onto the left-hand margin. "I'm forever blowing bubbles" is to the right of the paragraph above, squeezing that paragraph and "Bow Bells" to the left, and the kit table is to the right of it, squeezing all of them to the left. The result is that the sentence I quoted is essentially vertical, not horizontal. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:B46E:8624:611E:D6FD (talk) 14:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

That's okay, I understood what you meant. Are you zoomed in or have text resized? (Even on desktop or mobile mode on my phone I have no issue for instance?) Koncorde (talk) 14:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Just, for instance, both quotes are rquote|right and shouldn't overlap or force text to realign.

The table descending into the lower section also seems odd. I can move the entire section / adjust the table to test - but even 1028x768 or similar resolution I am not sure what you are seeing. I will load up Firefox and have a look if it's something their browser does. Koncorde (talk) 14:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

My screen resolution is 1920×1080. I'm not zoomed in or anything. I'm getting exactly the same with Microsoft Edge (latest version). 2001:BB6:4713:4858:B46E:8624:611E:D6FD (talk) 14:50, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

I have removed the table. You are right, when I tested it on Chrome at my desktop it did format into the following section. Moved the second song quote to lower in the section to hopefully break up the issue. Let me know if this still renders incorrectly. Koncorde (talk) 15:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

It's perfect now, Koncorde. Thanks. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:B46E:8624:611E:D6FD (talk) 15:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

No problem, sorry I didn't notice it before now. Koncorde (talk) 18:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2021

79.66.174.14 (talk) 11:01, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Michael Antonio is now jamacian

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:15, 25 July 2021 (UTC)