Talk:Volodymyr Vasylyovych Rybak

Recent page move that I do not agree with

Late last month user:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith moved this page from Volodymyr Rybak (politician) to its current name Volodymyr Vasylyovych Rybak. I do not agree with this move and I want the old page name back. I think that the current name is not consistent with WP:COMMONNAME, "Vasylyovych" is his patronymic. Patronymics are not part of common names, see the article names of other Eastern Europeans like Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. A patronymic is an Eastern European way of saying "Sir Volodymyr Rybak" which sounds very unnatural for an article name. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith justified his page move by saying it sounds more neutral, but I see it as he moved to page to a more unnatural name. Also no other biographical Wikipedia page on English language Wikipedia uses patronymics in article names, per consistency in English language Wikipedia this one should also not do this. A move to Volodymyr Rybak (Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada) would also make sense and might be easier to do then get back to the old name. He was not just a politician, but a high ranking one. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

My point is that a patronymic in an English Wikipedia pagename is not a thing that belong in English speaking Wikipedia.... Shortening a patronymic does not make it it less unnatural to me. The general rule in these cases is to title the article with the name by which the person is best known. See: WP:MAIDEN. Volodymyr Vasylyovych Rybak was not the name used when media reported about Volodymyr Rybak or when his death was reported; not in Ukrainian press and certainly not in international press. He was names Volodymyr Rybak and I can not remember any news outlet calling him "Volodymyr Ivanovych Rybak". I think you are confused with Ukrainian Wikipedia rules, Ukrainian Wikipedia rules do not apply here. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

@HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith: WP:MAIDEN clearly states: Only for very few Russians is the patronymic customary in English, notwithstanding widespread use of patronymics in the native language. This is not different for Ukrainians (who are not russians of course because only russians are russians, but I am really sure you thought that already )). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Can we centralize discussion on one or the other talk page? It’s a bit confusing to have two threads about the same topic in two different places. HappyWith (talk) 23:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)