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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Mark-Anthony Turnage composed Twice Through the Heart after being given a video of a programme about a woman who killed her husband?

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I noticed a slight anomaly when reading the article on Mark-Anthony Turnage; his works are grouped in various categories, operas first; two of them have articles, but the Category:Operas by Mark-Anthony Turnage lists three, Twice Through the Heart being the extra one. This work is listed on the composer's page under "Vocal". This article reads: "variously described as a dramatic scena, as a monodrama, as a song cycle or even as a 'dramatic song-cycle-cum-scena'" – not as an opera. Later, the article explains that originally there was some intent to write an opera. So: shouldn't the opera-related categories be removed from the article? Alternatively, the work should be listed under operas in the composer's article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

Some time (years) ago, I asked WPO members whether they thought this piece was covered by the project and the view was yes it was. However I wouldn't have asked if I didn't consider it borderline. Of the above descriptions, "monodrama" in a musical context would count as calling it an opera, the archetypal example being Erwartung which I see is categorised as an opera. "Song cyle" would generally be taken to exclude opera.

Schott list it among their operas. These are the performances they list with duplicates removed

Orchestra of the English National Opera - Nicholas Kok Queen Elizabeth Hall - London - United Kingdom October 20th, 1997
ENO Orchestra - Nicholas Kok Coliseum - London - United Kingdom October 29th, 1997
Orchestra of Gießen Stadtsoper Stadttheater - Gießen - Germany October 31st, 1997
Winnipeg New Music Festival 1998 - Winnipeg Symphony Orchestra - Bramwell Tovey Winnipeg - Canada April 26th, 1998
New York Philharmonic Merkin Concert Hall - New York - United States of America May 14th, 1998
London Sinfonietta - Markus Stenz Teatro Olimpico - Rome - Italy May 17th, 1998
Schoenberg Ensemble - Oliver Knussen Antwerp De Singel - Antwerp - Belgium November 10th, 1998
Stadttheater Gießen - Herbert Gietzen Stadttheater - Gießen - Germany March 6th, 2000
RAM Ensemble Royal Academy of Music - London - United Kingdom March 31st, 2001
Jonathan Stockhammer Black Box Theatre - Oslo - Norway October 21st, 2001
Psappha - Tim Carrol Lowry Centre - Manchester - United Kingdom January 20th, 2002
Birmingham Contemporary Music Group - Alexander Briger CBSO Centre - Birmingham - United Kingdom May 7th, 2003
RSAMD Student Ensemble - James Lai Royal Scottish Acadamy of Music & Drama - Glasgow - United Kingdom March 24th, 2006
Symfonieorkest van het Koninklijk Conservatorium - Hans Leenders Philharmonie - Haarlem - Netherlands March 27th, 2006
Bodø Sinfonietta - Jerker Johansson Röda Sten - Göteborg - Sweden November 6th, 2006
Psappha - Nicholas Kok Royal Northern College of Music, Bruntwood Theatre - Manchester - United Kingdom December 1st, 2006
Thallein Ensemble - Nicholas Cleobury Adrian Boult Hall - Birmingham - United Kingdom December 11th, 2006
Ensemble Kontrapunkte - Peter Keuschnig Musikverein, Brahms-Saal - Wien - Austria November 23rd, 2009
Chicago Symphony Orchestra - Cliff Colnot Harris Theater - Chicago - United States of America May 8th, 2010
Markus Huber Theater, Großes Haus - Pforzheim - Germany May 11th, 2010

Although contemporary music groups are in the majority, there are a certain number of stage groups there, for example, those at Pforzheim who describe it as a chamber opera here

Given that, I would oppose removing the opera categories. You could consider adding a footnote to the Turnage article indicating that the work is sometimes counted as an opera, sometimes not.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)Reply

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