Talk:Treaty of Madrid (13 January 1750)

Contradiction with War of Jenkins' Ear and Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle (1748): Was Britain a side in the treaty?

According to this article

The Treaty of Madrid was a document signed by Ferdinand VI of Spain and John V of Portugal on January 13, 1750, concerning their empires and status of their territories in what is now Brazil.

Great Britain and the asiento are not mentioned.

However, according to War of Jenkins' Ear

The eventual diplomatic resolution formed part of the wider settlement of the War of the Austrian Succession by the Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle. The issue of the Asiento was not mentioned in the treaty, and it had lessened in importance to both nations. The issue was finally settled by the 1750 Treaty of Madrid in which Britain agreed to renounce its claim to the Asiento in exchange for a payment of £100,000 and allowed British trade with Spanish America under favourable conditions.

Also, according to Treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle (1748)

The Asiento contract, which had been guaranteed to Great Britain in 1713 through the Treaty of Utrecht, was renewed. Spain later raised objections to the Asiento clauses, and the Treaty of Madrid, signed on 5 October 1750, stipulated that Great Britain surrendered her claims under those clauses in return for a sum of £100,000.

Both of the other articles link to this one.

So, was the treaty signed between Spain, Portugal and Britain? Or is it that there were two completely different Treaties of Madrid in 1750 (in which case there should be a disambiguation)?

Top.Squark (talk) 11:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Two different treaties. The Spanish just held all of their negotiations in Madrid that year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.147.113.73 (talk) 15:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

A mistake in 1789 map

The 1789 map shows the entire modern Rio Grande do Sul state area as part of Brazil but this is wrong. At that moment, the Western part of it was a Spanish Empire territory until 1801 (see Misiones Orientales and it's Spanish and Portuguese versions). The south of Ibicuí River, remained as Spanish possession until 1815 when Portuguese armies invaded these lands and whole Uruguay, as Cisplatina Province. A new treaty was signed in 1828, consolidating the modern frontiers between Brazil and Uruguay due to Uruguayan independence (see 1828 Treaty of Montevideo). Vitorvec (talk) 15:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

This article is bare bones, and contains obvious factual errors and spurious material

I've deleted the erroneous map and spurious text about the Treaty with great Britain and Guarani War. What's missing here is the forces in play that obviated the Treaty of Torsedillas, made this treaty necessary, resulted in two more Spanish-Portuguese Wars and three later Treaties of Pardo, and the Treaty of San Ildefonso. Also missing are what thing(s) did each party want, and what positions of power and/or weakness were they in, to get those things, or have to concede those things?Sbalfour (talk) 19:41, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Much of Brazil

The area which went from Spain to Portugal is not "much of Brazil" it is only a small part of the southern states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.29.232.173 (talk) 00:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)