Talk:Tower houses in the Balkans

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Kula means tower. You added a source that is about epic poetry, with a dictionary that has the word. Why did you start this article? Tagging for deletion.--Zoupan 02:57, 11 May 2012 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (the article is properly sourced, and is not gibberish) --Xrsye (talk) 03:01, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

You have it misunderstood. Though the article is sourced with Robert Elsie's description of a standard defensive tower (watchtower or tower house) in the Balkan region, under the dictionary list of a book about Albanian epic poetry (i.e. "Osman attacked the Kulla." "Gjergj left the Kulla" -- descriptive of the Balkan atmosphere), "Kulla (Balkans)" can hardly be an article - Kulla/Kula means "tower" in Turkish, and that's it. What more can you add to this article about the "Balkan towers"? --Zoupan 03:17, 11 May 2012 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.

Plenty. I just did, from a Unesco source [1].Xrsye (talk) 03:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

That source is not sanctioned by the UNESCO, see the references: "“Traditional Houses in Western Kosovo: A Descriptive Survey of Kullas in the Municipalities of Istog and Klina”. Unpublished." - That is - amateur work. However, on second thought, I noticed Tower houses in Britain and Ireland which has existed since 2009. I'm moving the article name to Tower houses in the Balkans and if you manage to expand the article, it might as well stay.--Zoupan 03:54, 11 May 2012 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.

The reference of the source was unpublished as of the date of the publication of the source. The source's title is "Kulla: A Traditional Albanian House Type in Kosovo" and is sitting on Unesco's website. With your edit you ruined the link btw, I fixed it, and you can see in the link that is staying in Unesco's website. Xrsye (talk) 04:04, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I also moved to Albanian kulla, since this is typically Albanian construction and is inhabited by Albanians, I'm removing also the category "Serbian architecture", as there are no sources to support that. Xrsye (talk) 04:39, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted the unfounded move, the tower house is not exclusively Albanian. I have added some information.--Zoupan 05:45, 11 May 2012 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.

Zoupan the author is reviewing a 1951 source as part of an examination on the nationalization of history. He's not dealing with claims i.e. source misinterpretation. Btw tower houses in Mani have nothing to do with these types of structures (Venetian style etc.) i.e 2 days for a source before I remove the section. Also your edit tower houses appeared... makes no sense (why would such a common type of semi-residential structure not exist in the Balkans?). Tower houses have existed long before the Ottomans, but the arrival of the Ottomans brought the appearance of this particular type[2]--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 19:36, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Zjarri, the source (Housing in medieval and post-medieval Greece, Volume 1) says what it says: "The Albanian kula, or tower house, for example, was regarded to have developed under Greek influence (Megas 1951, 1967)." I think this is pointed at the architecture of southern Albania, e.g. Gjirokastër. Mani has predominantly non-Ottoman tower houses, but there exist kule as well. The intro was copied from Tower houses in Britain and Ireland. Why have you bolded "kulla" when there are several spellings of the Turkish word? Fixed intro and neutral-ized.--Zoupan 09:06, 12 May 2012 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.