Talk:Titicut Follies

Availability

I think this article should discuss the issues surrounding the availability of this film in modern times. Zipporah Films, Inc. distributes all of Frederick Wiseman’s films at exorbitant prices. Zipporah is charging $500 for VHS purchase and $250 for rental (unless 1/2 of the revenue from ticket sales is greater). 16mm film is available, but DVDs are not.   — Chris Capoccia ^T⁄_C June 30, 2005 19:22 (UTC)

I've added the {{POV check}} header due to the wording of your comments. --Viriditas | Talk 00:37, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead and fixed it, I hope. I don't think there is any policy about this, but my opinion is that you should not use the NPOV header unless you've tried to do something about it and ended up in an edit war. --Brian Z 18:04, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Please note that the Template:POV check (see Wikipedia:POV check) is different than Template:NPOV. --Viriditas | Talk 23:48, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure what part of my comments you thought was not a neutral point of view, but I think if you look at the Zipporah Films site, you will see that I quoted their price structure correctly. Since a normal movie can be rented for much less than $250, I think "exhorbitant" very accurately describes the price.   — Chris Capoccia ^T⁄_C 18:47, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

You may want to review Wikipedia:Neutral point of view for choosing the correct language and sourcing opinions. --Viriditas | Talk 23:48, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I was able to see this movie by viewing it at my universities medical library viewing room Amirman 17:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Note that Zipporah's price of $500 applies to purchase of the film/dvd with public performance rights - in other words, for use of it in a paid admission setting. There's also a $250 price, applicable to its purchase for use in educational and other institutions, where it will be repeatly or periodically viewed by audiences. Neither of those prices is significantly out of line with the pricing structure applicable to any media being licensed for multi-user access. Price for purchase by an individual is $34.95. Irish Melkite (talk) 13:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

The individual purchase option was not available when I wrote my previous comments almost 3 years ago.   — Chris Capoccia ^T⁄_C 15:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Cinema Verite?

The statement about Titicut Follies being an example of Cinema Verite is untrue. It can be regarded as direct cinema, not cinema verite, although Wiseman didn't like either of the classifications. (unsigned)

Can anyone provide a source in accord with the above? On one hand, Wikipedia's articles on Cinéma vérité and Direct Cinema, make it seem to me like Titicut Follies is a lot like its a perfect example of direct cinema, and NOT cinéma vérité, simply because it does not include any narration whatsoever, and seems to rely "on an agreement among the filmmaker, subjects, and audience to act as if the presence of the camera does not (substantially) alter the recorded event... the filmmaker aims to be a fly-on-the-wall capturing life as it unfolds." However, looking around the web it does seem that this film "is widely considered to be a masterpiece of the cinéma vérité form" even if it shouldn't be.--Brian Z 05:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)