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IceWelder, Edna & Harvey: The Breakout
This game is not released on macOS (but Anniversary Edition released on macOS)
The Whispered World
Where macOS and IOS?
Ok, ios maybe not…
A New Beginning
This game is not released on iOS (but A New Beginning - Final Cut on IOS).
And for some reason you removed A New Beginning - Final Cut. Why? And you have removed other remasters as well.
The Whispered World: Special Edition
did not come out in 2010. This remaster-game came out in 2014. Do you have any other information? My information is from Steam.
And where is IOS?
There are many similar things in the table. Please take the trouble not to delete information from it. I am returning my version of the page. -- Nisharion Gart (talk) 15:07, 20 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Nisharion Gart, as I stated, it would have been much easier to fix the new table instead of restoring the previous version. Your table fails multiple style guidelines (MOS:DTAB and MOS:OL, among several others) and leaves out multiple games and platforms. To address your concerns with my version:
  • Edna & Harvey: The Breakout was released on macOS/Mac OS X in 2009. This version is not on Steam.
  • The Whispered World was not released for macOS as far as I know. Special Edition, which is still listed, is indeed on the platform.
  • A New Beginning: Final Cut was removed because it was not a significantly altered version of the original. According to news reports, it was just made more stable and ported to Mac. You list it under "Remasters", which is more than misleading. I did not remove any other remasters/enhanced versions.
  • The Whispered World: Special Edition was indeed sorted incorrectly, which I now fixed. It is on iOS, as is Valhalla Hills.
I went through all available resources again and actually found two games that were missing from both versions: The Virus: Cry for Help (mobile) and Shift Happens (Nintendo Switch). I added both to my table. Please review my updated version at User:IceWelder/sandbox. If there are no grave errors, it can quickly be reinserted to fix the various guideline violations. Any additions can still be made to that table. IceWelder [✉] 17:22, 20 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

IceWelder, ok, let's start.

  • «Your table fails multiple style guidelines»

Oh, come on. This article is about computer games … Nobody needs it…
By the way, maybe not to sort platforms in alphabetical order? Why? Well, firstly, many of the games of this company were released for the first time on a PC, and not at all on Android and IOS. The order, as in my table, is more convenient and does not raise questions.
You just have randomly platforms. And i have: first PC, then the console, and then the phones. So the information is perceived easier.
It would also be nice if the platforms were listed in their abbreviated name, as in my table.

  • «Edna & Harvey: The Breakout was released on macOS/Mac OS X in 2009»

I cannot find information on this matter. Besides it

  • «The Whispered World was not released for macOS as far as I know»

Ok.

  • «A New Beginning: Final Cut was removed because it was not a significantly altered version of the original»

Maybe. But it is still another edition of the game. Under the word "Remasters" I meant other edition.

  • «I did not remove any other remasters/enhanced versions»

Where "Deponia Collection"? This is, actually, a separate edition of the game, which is displayed in the menu of the consoles separately. I think so, anyway.

And now again to the table

  • «Blackguards»

Where did you find information about Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, Xbox One? This game was not released on these platforms.

  • «Fire»

Why did you delete iOS? This game was released on this platform. Google it.
Now this game is called Fire: Ungh's Quest. But at the time of the exit, it was just called Fire.

  • «Anna's Quest»

Why did you move this game to another list? This game is designed with a great participation of Daedalic than just the "publisher" - gave money and left. Yes, the developer, it seems, after that, created his own studio.

  • «Ken Follett's The Pillars of the Earth»

Nintendo Switch
I can not find this game on the site Nintendo.

So, it seems to be figured out with the first table.

  • Face Noir

Where did this game disappear?
https://www.daedalicsupport.com/en/games/face-noir/

  • The Last Tinker: City of Colors

Where?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/260160/The_Last_Tinker_City_of_Colors/

  • Valhalla Hills

PlayStation?

  • Iratus: Lord of the Dead

This game came out in early access in 2019. This must be specified.

  • Intruders: Hide and Seek

This game was initially published on PS4 in February 2019. Place it at the beginning of 2019.

  • Unrailed!

You have moved this game in 2020, but the site below other information
https://www.daedalicsupport.com/en/games/unrailed!/
Perhaps on the site is not true information.

  • Witch It

Again, this game came out in 2017 in early access.

  • Journey of a Roach

In Steam, the developer of this game specified Daedalic
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nisharion Gart (talk • contribs) 20:59, 20 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • Style guidelines are always relevant, regardless of topic. We have them for a reason.
  • By convention, platforms are listed in alphabetical order and not abbreviated, as this would create an accessibility issue. Using an arbitrary sorting scheme is WP:OR.
  • Edna & Harvey: The Breakout was released for macOS on 2 April 2009 by Application Systems Heidelberg. This is also sourced in the game's article. The forum entry you link is someone trying to run the Steam version using Wine. Again, the Mac version is not on Steam.
  • I re-added A New Beginning: Final Cut as a break-even.
  • Deponia Collection is just multiple games in one box, not a new game. That's like listing The Daedalic Armageddon Bundle. Also, the PlayStation 4 store lists all Deponia games individually ([1][2][3][4]).
  • Blackguards is on consoles according to the game's article. However, it was not sourced at all, so I removed the claim in both instances.
  • I googled Fire for iOS; there are some sources that say that the game is supposed to come to the platform, but none that confirm that it was actually released for the platform. A supposed iTunes link is unavailable, but I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt here.
  • The Anna's Quest change was not mine. Yet, Krams Design existed before the game's release as evidenced by news reports from the time. I don't know why the Steam page fails to list Krams Design as the/a developer.
  • Ken Follett's The Pillars of the Earth is indeed not on Switch. This was probably a copy error.
  • Face Noir was not published by Daedalic, they provided production on behalf of EuroVideo Medien, who published the game. There are several games that have this; why only Face Noir is listed on the Daedalic Support page, I don't know.
  • The Last Tinker: City of Colors was not originally published by Daedalic. The actual publisher, Unity Games, was closed in October 2014, so the publisher was changed to Mimimi Games (the developer). Daedalic was only added in December 2014 because they partnered on Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun. This is the same as Northland and 8th Wonder of the World, which were published by Funatics Software in 2002 and 2003, and then changed the publisher name to Daedalic in 2015.
  • Valhalla Hills is on PS4, albeit by a different publisher. This went unaccounted for in the original source.
  • Iratus: Lord of the Dead was released on 23 April 2020. Early access is just a pre-order with beta access; such dates are not listed.
  • Intruders: Hide and Seek is now sorted correctly.
  • Unrailed! was released on 23 September 2020. It was previously in early access; the Daedalic Support page was not properly updated.
  • Witch It was released on 22 October 2020. Once again, beta dates are not listed here.
  • Sources list Koboldgames as the primary developer of Journey of a Roach. The credits suggest that Daedalic mainly provided production support (in addition to publishing), so listing them as the publisher is appropriate.
IceWelder [✉] 13:02, 21 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • By convention, platforms are listed in alphabetical order and not abbreviated, as this would create an accessibility issue. Using an arbitrary sorting scheme is WP:OR.

You exaggerate the importance of the information in the article ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • Edna & Harvey: The Breakout was released for macOS on 2 April 2009

Ok. Is it possible to find a copy of this Mac-port on sales sites?

  • Fire. …there are some sources that say that the game is supposed to the platform, but none that confirm that it was actually released for the platform

When I drew up the table, the game was on sale. Try to open the link in iTunes.
The fact that the game was on the platform confirms its presence on… pirate sites.
And https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkuzuD-9Wls

  • Anna's Quest. Yet, Krams Design existed before the game's release as evidenced by news reports from the time. I don't know why the Steam page fails to list Krams Design as the/a developer.

But still, development was carried out jointly with Daedalic. That is, there are actually two developers for this game. Probably. (I remember reading this somewhere…) Therefore, the game must be in the first table and two developers must be listed in the column: Daedalic and Krams Design.
Read it:
Phew! After all this time working away in the dark (literally years!), the announcement has gone out today that yes, Anna’s Quest is now officially a Daedalic Entertainment game and will be released as a full version, all HD title in 2015! Anna is now joining the likes of The Whispered World, Edna & Harvey’s Breakout, the Deponia series, Night of the Rabbit – the list goes on and on, and I truly couldn’t have dreamed of a better place for her ^^ So excited to finally get the news out to you all!

  • Face Noir was not published by Daedalic, they provided production on behalf of EuroVideo Medien, who published the game.

Only this publisher is listed in the end credits of the game. Not EuroVideo Medien or Daedalic…

  • Valhalla Hills is on PS4, albeit by a different publisher. This went unaccounted for in the original source.

I talked a little about something else, but ok. But the game still came out on ps4. Perhaps this should be indicated?

  • Iratus: Lord of the Dead. Early access is just a pre-order with beta access; such dates are not listed.

I do not understand. This was early access, not a pre-order.

  • Unrailed! It was previously in early access; the Daedalic Support page was not properly updated.
  • Witch It. Once again, beta dates are not listed here.

Many sites list this for many games. Please indicate the "correct" date in the notes.
— Nisharion Gart (talk) 21:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • The Mac version of Edna & Harvey: The Breakout was retail-only; I doubt that you can find it in any online store now. The fact that it was once released for the platform still stands.
  • Fire on iTunes is only listed for macOS, at least for me here in Germany. However, as I said, I already added iOS back. Pirate sites are not reliable sources.
  • I moved Anna's Quest back and will fix the article soon.
  • I reckon that Phoenix Online Studios was only the digital publisher, while EuroVideo published the retail version. Regardless, since it does not name Daedalic as the publisher, it is not listed here.
  • The "Games published" table should only list the platforms that Daedalic published the game for, so PlayStation 4 for Valhalla Hills should not be included.
  • Iratus: Lord of the Dead, Unrailed! and Witch It were all in early access. For Wikipedia, this is the same as a paid beta period, which we do not list. The "correct" release date is that of the full release (respectively: 23 April 2020, 23 September 2020, and 22 October 2020).
I kept updating the table at User:IceWelder/sandbox‎. IceWelder [✉] 09:16, 23 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Nisharion Gart: Given that I did not hear from you in some days, I'm assuming that all questions are resolved? If so, I would like to now insert the fixed version. IceWelder [✉] 15:26, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Ok. — Nisharion Gart (talk) 17:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

IceWelder, 1954 Alcatraz. In discussions on Steam, people say the game works for the Mac.

Aiko's Choice edit

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Aiko's Choice is suprisingly a standalone game, rather than a DLC to Shadow Tactics: Blades of the Shogun. This is surprising, because it's extra difficult for the hardcore fans, and thus playing through Shadow Tactics a bit before playinh Aiko's Choice is advised. Nevertheless it exists, being a stand-alone purchase, and it's notable enough to be reviewed by major websites such as IGN and RockPapersShotgun. So my question is: should we add it to the list? It is an expansion after all, built on the same engine, and played with the same characters. But since it's sold separately... PizzaMan ♨♨♨ 16:54, 3 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

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