Talk:Tennessee Waltz

state song?

state song of what state? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hmains (talk • contribs) 01:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

Nebraska. Shapular (talk) 20:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Correct title?

I believe the title of this song is "Tennessee Waltz" with no "The". See http://www.nashvillesongwritersfoundation.com/fame/king.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Merbak (talk • contribs) 01:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

Hot 100 of all time?

Where does it stand on all-time sales #? After "White Christmas"? Perry Como 17:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Metasong?

To whoever wrote that The Tennessee Waltz is an example of "a song about itself" needs to back that up. That seems dubious to me. The title of the song references the song that was when a "friend stole" a "sweetheart" from the speaker. The song title is therefore just a reference point for the speaker. --Jackbox1971 (talk) 01:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

It's self-referential because the song it is referencing as 'playing when a "friend stole" a "sweetheart" from the speaker' was not just any song, but THIS song-- the one that the singer is currently singing. This is assuming there was no tune named the "Tennessee Waltz" until this song was written. If so, it's an amusing piece of trivia.--Parkerjackson (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Writer(s)?

Did Pee Wee King have a hand in writing the song as the first line states, or did Jimmy Wilkinson (Jimmy Wilson) write it and sell it to him as stated under "Background"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.43.158 (talk) 00:05, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I also have a problem with the composers, as stated previously.  The Newest edit, 8/12/2015, has Copas recording released in December, 1947, and, just below, states his recording was released in 1948.  Needs further research.  Can't believe King wrote the song, but, allowed Copas to record first. Kind of lost faith in Wiki...seems not properly researched.Jawja100 (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)Jawja100Jawja100 (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Lead sentence was not properly referenced, and has not been edited to reflect recently added, referenced information. Easy enough to fix. King and Stewart wrote the song, showed it to Acuff, but were under contract to Hill and Range, etc. The music biz is not as simple as many narratives would have you believe. King remembers that Steve Sholes with RCA Victor didn't want him to record an new song nobody had heard of before. And it looks like King also got the years wrong in his book. BTW, thanks for pointing out the discrepancy. Steve Pastor (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

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The Tennessee Waltz → Tennessee Waltz — "Tennessee Waltz", sans "The", is the correct title. See, among many other references, an image of the sheet music and the State of Tennessee website. ShelfSkewed Talk 20:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

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Writers

Although Cowboy Copas' version of the song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XG6tlIqeYc - lists him as a co-writer, other versions only credit Stewart and King - for instance http://www.flickriver.com/photos/55355525@N08/7611842548/, http://www.discogs.com/Patti-Page-The-Tennessee-Waltz-Long-Long-Ago/release/2963391, http://www.discogs.com/Jerry-Fuller-Tennessee-Waltz/release/5711155. If there is a reliable published explanation of this apparent discrepancy, it can be added to the article - but not simple assertions added to the lead. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Take a look at this article in Billboard, 1968. https://books.google.com/books?id=rAcEAAAAMBAJ&pg=RA1-PA40&lpg=RA1-PA40&dq=%22tennessee+waltz%22+fred+rose&source=bl&ots=j-3sTxFxYk&sig=qeImDOmVEdVvWGN2pSEX1RuapJo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ6AEwA2oVChMIlOmu1_2exwIVljOICh1y1wJT#v=onepage&q=%22tennessee%20waltz%22%20fred%20rose&f=false Looks like Copas recorded it first, although he appears to have nothing to do with the writing. Who's up to rewriting? Steve Pastor (talk) 17:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Also note that they were in the back of a truck when they wrote the song in this telling. I always wondered about them being in a limo! Steve Pastor (talk) 17:11, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Pee Wee did write in Hell Bent for Music that they were in a "stretch airport limousine," but he moved back into the truck that was following, where Redd was when they wrote the song. Steve Pastor (talk) 17:19, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

There's also a bit about Ernest Tubb and the Short Brothers releasing the song, and his publishing company issuing a "pirated sheet music version" with the SHort Brothers listed as writers. Lawsuits were filed.Steve Pastor (talk) 17:25, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Copas "liked the song so much he went to his recording company... Syd Nathan...decided to get the juump on our recordings and release his first, even though it violated our verbal agreement. Back then, a lot of agreements were based on a handshake, so we didn;t have and legal doucments to back us up." Pee Wee King Hell Bent for Music p 148. Other than a label, has Copas ever claimed authorship? and is there a reference for that claim? Steve Pastor (talk) 19:07, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Accuff-Rose Publications filed for and received a copyright with Redd Stweart [and] Pee Wee King listed under the filing. Found the listing at the Internet Archive https://archive.org/stream/catalogofcopyrig325libr#page/156/mode/2up/search/%22tennessee+waltz%22 Catalog of Copyright Entries 1948 Published Music Jan-Dec 3D Ser Vol 2 Pt 5A page 157 Steve Pastor (talk) 23:10, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Copas' King recording was released April 1947 http://78discography.com/King500.htm , and the copyright was not granted until Feb 1948. (see above) There was a lot of money in the form of royalties involved with this song. Billboard reported that the song with the highest amount paid out in 1951 was Tennessee Waltz. Billboard also reported on the big lawsuit that went on over the rights to the song. While it's possible that King records and Copas were never mentioned because they couldn't afford to engage in a law suit, it seems unlikely that Copas wouldn't at least have tried for royalties if he had indeed been one of the writers. That King label may be worth a footnote in the article, but it seem to be the only thing pointing to Copas as writer. Steve Pastor (talk) 23:29, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

With the dates I found this is in error. "Cowboy Copas, who had formerly vocalized on the Golden West Cowboys' recordings and who still performed with the group, recorded the song for King Records just after the Golden West Cowboys ie Copas 1st recorded on Apr 1947 http://countrydiscography.blogspot.com/2011/02/cowboy-copas.html Pee Wee Dec 1 1947 http://countrydiscoghraphy2.blogspot.com/2015/07/pee-wee-king.html , although he wrote 1948 in his book. Steve Pastor (talk) 23:57, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

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