Talk:TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK

Wrong photo

The photograph is wrong its a photo of A129 not T129 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.245.16.193 (talk) 01:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The caption clearly says it's a A129. The image will be changed when a T-129 image is available. Unless there's a consensus to go without an image until then... -Fnlayson (talk) 01:26, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

http://www.flugrevue.de/de/militaer/fluggeraet-hersteller/t129-presented-after-first-flight-at-vergiate.14343.htm

there's a pic here.--88.254.131.144 (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

And that's copyrighted to Flug Revue or somebody. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:44, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

The photo pop-up states "Foto: AgustaWestlasd". Anyhow, I can't even tell the difference between the aircraft in each photo. Most of the differences between the A129 and T-129 will be "under the skin", and except for the engines, are mostly avioncs hardware. - BilCat (talk) 20:36, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Well that last one IS actually a T129P1 not an A129. You can see the Aselpod on the nose. (Compare it with this one). Plus it is taken from the maiden flight video, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOvfMGWXIQw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.197.171 (talk) 00:18, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

That's still a very minor difference, so the word "similar" is correct. We aren't trying to pretend the photo is a T-129, as the caption clearly states what it is. Please understand that legally, the choice is between using an A129 pic, or using no photo at all! - BilCat (talk) 01:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh really? What if we REALLY have a photo of a T129? Will we still stick with a A129 pic? (We will, since you set the rules here, right?) Is it only my perception or are you really trying very hard to be dumb?? --88.254.243.161 (talk) 22:27, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm really trying hard to KEEP THE LAW! - BilCat (talk) 01:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

T129 as presented on Agusta Westland official website has different look. http://www.agustawestland.com/product/t129-0 When there are real photos available, it is pointless to use old A129 pics to introduce T129. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammadlue (talk • contribs)

The photos on the Agusta Westland official website are copyrighted - they can't be used legally on Wikipedia. - BilCat (talk) 11:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I just looked on Commons, and there is a useable photo of the T129 that was just posted 3 weeks ago from the Berlin 2014 ILA airshow. I've added it to the article. - BilCat (talk) 11:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Request regarding changing of title

The name is T129, not T-129. Can someone change it as "TAI/Aguesta Westland "T129" please? Heruamarth (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC) [1]

Done. - BilCat (talk) 19:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Serious updates needed in this article

Hello, it has come to my attention that this T129 article is very outdated, TUC1-2, is not used anymore, and the design and development section needs to be replaced with something from the Agusta-Westland or TAI site. I did what I can without changing too much, but we have to increase this article's importance on the scale. We still don't even have a decent photo to upload to the thumbnail!

Can someone please upload a current photo of the T129 like from here? http://www.trmilitary.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1000 Fah112778 (talk) 16:56, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

To update this valuable article, some official news recommended to be added to the text body: TAI Delivers First TAI-Manufactured T129EDH ATAK Helicopter: https://www.tai.com.tr/en/news/tai-delivers-first-tai-manufactured-t129-atak-helicopter Turkish Army Accepts First T-129EDH Attack Helicopter: http://www.defensenews.com/article/20140505/DEFREG01/305050020/Turkish-Army-Accepts-First-T-129-Attack-Helicopter Data on official TAI website have also been updated: https://www.tai.com.tr/en/project/atak

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Future and potential operators

This section is far too WP:CRYSTAL. I think it should be removed and only actual orders listed. - Ahunt (talk) 15:59, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

The origin of the T129

Hey, i noticed that u were saying that the T129 was Italian which yes, is partly is true as the T129 is based on that. But the T129 is developed from it by Turkish companies, isn't it more logical that the Turkish contribution is more as they developed it and are also the main users of it — Preceding unsigned comment added by InellectualThinker (talk • contribs) 10:59, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

"It's more logical" is not how Wikipedia works. Verifiability, not truth. If reliable sources say it's primarily Turkish, that's what we say; if they don't, we don't. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:24, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 19 July 2021. "TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK" to "TAI/AW T129 ATAK"

I am requesting to move "TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK" to TAI/AW T129 ATAK" for the following reasons: No-1: Either we need to use full name for both of the manufacturers or short name for both of the manufacturers. Each of the manufacturers name contains multiple words. It is not fair to use short name for TAI and full name for AW. Even current name is extremely large with short name of TAI and full name of AW. No-2: "TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK" is an extremely large name and such a large name is not suitable for readers and wikipedia editors. It is harder to used as a wiki link on other wikipedia articles and also harder to search from search engines. Either we need to use "TAI/AW T129 ATAK" or "T129 ATAK" by creating a secondary name for wiki link on other wikipedia articles. TAI/AW T129 ATAK would be a perfect name for considaring all the reasons. It will also increase readability and legibility.Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 12:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Ahunt, User:Fnlayson, User:BilCat Please consider my proposal. Thank you for your support.Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 13:14, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this here. I think the idea of shortening the name is worthwhile, but this is a bit more complex. Turkish Aerospace Industries commonly uses "TAI", whereas AugustWestland did not call itself "AW". The company was rolled into Leonardo S.p.A. in 2016, so perhaps it makes more sense to move it to TAI/Leonardo T129 ATAK? - Ahunt (talk) 13:22, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Ahunt AugustWestland used AW before name of helicopter models such as AW159. AgustaWestland merged into Leonardo but T129 ATAK helicopter development completed before it and TAI is the only manufacturer. However, unlike the A129, the helicopter is still in production and all AgustaWestland information about T129 history now available in Leonardo's official website. Leonardo also called A129 as Leonardo AW129. In my opinion both is right but I propose TAI/AW T129 ATAK to shorten the name as no other Wikipedia article used Leonardo's name in title such as Leonardo AW149. In my opinion, AW is enough for readers to understand it was developed by TAI along with AW. Readers also have description inside the article about AgustaWestland. Nafis Fuad Ayon (talk) 14:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose - The current title is sufficient, and matches other Wikipedia article titles used for both TAI and AugustaWestland products. BilCat (talk) 04:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Operators

Pakistan does not "operate" it, no point to put them under operators. Shadow4dark (talk) 16:45, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree. To be listed as an operator you need to have taken delivery and actually be flying the aircraft. Having it on a "wish list", but blocked by sanctions on engines, means you are not an operator. See WP:AIRCRAFT-OPERATORS for details on this issue. - Ahunt (talk) 19:51, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I will add that the Azerbaijani section on Potential Operators is also something that never materialized. TAI never received a request by Azerbaijan.Mr.User200 (talk) 12:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)