Talk:Streamliner

Streamlined Steam Locos

Are Mallard and co. streamliners or streamlined steam locomotives? Would an article on streamlined steam locomotives be appropriate?

• Well, first of all, I think the term streamliner fits not only for trains or bicycles. Streamlined motorbikes are called streamliners, too. Also streamlined busses were called streamliners. In railway terms, streamliners are streamlined trains. Streamlined steam locomotives mostly hauled non streamlined trains, so I think, there should be a separate article for streamlined steam locomotives. I just know of only two streamlined steam locomotives that hauled streamlined trains: The Henschel-Wegmann train and the LBE train. Ironmani 23:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

• I've added sections for cars and trailers per the definition however, I don't think they really fit here. However, I couldn't find a better location to show the breadth of this design concept. I've also added an external link to show the Bonair Oxygen (very rare as the company went bankrupt or something). I would be appreciative of the information being moved to a better general Streamline design article rather than it just being deleted from this article should it not fit. ````AlbertaSunwpata

Term for LSR cars

I really want to question this term, does this article have to refer to just trains as that term has been used do describe land speed record car. Willirennen 15:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Engine number explaination?

What do the ?-?-?-? numbers mean in the following? Can someone explain this or link to a page that does? "the Milwaukee Road's purpose-build Atlantics and Hudsons used in "Hiawatha" service; the Pennsylvania Railroad's duplex-drive 4-4-4-4 type T1 locomotives, and two Union Pacific engines, a 4-6-2 and a 4-8-2, used on the "Forty Niner" and other trains."

I believe it refers to the Wheel arrangement on the locomotive.QuartzZone (talk) 13:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Specifically, to the Whyte notation. A 4-6-2, for example, has two non-driving axles at the front, three driving axles, and one non-driving axle at the rear. 81.133.141.87 (talk) 16:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Pre-WWI "streamlined" locos

I was wondering if any of the locos on this page (the earliest dated 1883) should be mentioned here? They're not strictly "streamlined" (as aerodynamics wasn't properly developed at the time), but their designers did attempt to reduce their wind resistance. 81.133.141.87 (talk) 16:26, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Ten Fastest Trains?

"For a short time in the late 1930s, the ten fastest trains in the world were all American streamliners." Does anyone have a citation for this or, preferably, a listing of what those trains were? If I can verify this information I'll be happy to post those schedules online.--Ehbowen (talk) 09:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

This certainly doesn't seem to match information available on the net so it definitely needs a citation. Other references talk about faster trains before, during and after this time period so a citation by whoever added the statement seems appropriate. Or failing that how long should we wait before its ok to remove it ? Marlarkey (talk) 23:45, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

It is definitely an unsupportable statement, given that there are different ways to define "fastest train." The fastest officially verified train speeds were with British and German locomotives. The fastest schedule was with the Twin Cities Hiawatha. Given that British and European schedules tended, on average, to be faster than American schedules (owing largely to track conditions and the service times required on the longer American runs), it would be surprising if there weren't some in the top ten worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.51.98 (talk) 21:55, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Definitions?

Some new categories have been created, but without a clear definition. See recent sections in Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects

• What are Streamliner automobiles?

So far this category includes three distinct groups with no overlap and that hardly belong under a shared category:

• • 1930s designs in the 'streamline' style, mostly with poor aerodynamics developed from aesthetic principles rather than aerodynamic, e.g. International Harvester Metro Van and the Lincoln-Zephyr
  • Aerodynamically developed road cars, e.g. Saab 92, Citroën DS
  • Land speed record cars, at high speeds and with impractical body styles for anything else, e.g. White Lightning, ThrustSSC
• What are Streamliner trains?

Again, this includes both trains of the 1930s which are stylistic in the streamline fashion of the period, e.g. GWR railcars and Silver Jubilee (train) and also modern high speed trains that are aerodynamic, not merely styled.

We shouldn't mix up both functional aerodynamics and the styles of the 1930s. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

a notice

"The first such automobile (a prototype) to have a tear drop shape and have the wheels within the body was the Persu automobile" the Ley Jaray T6 appeared the same year too

also to the list the Lancia Aprilia Aerodinamica of 1936, the Bugatti 57 Aerolithe of 1935, the Wikov 35 Kapka of 1931, the Rumpler tropfenwagen of 1921, the Rumpler V31 of 1931, the Killinger Freund motorrad of 1938, the Espenlaub Stromlinien of 1928, the Mercedes 540K Stromlinien of 1938, the Mercedes T80 of 1939, the Kruchenberg Schienenzeppelin of 1930 and many others are somehow not included — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.101.177 (talk) 17:37, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Bloat in images and lack of references

It seems that there have been a never-ending number of additions to the images. Most of them have no reference to tie their design with the "streamliner" topic. Some seem to be original research, such as the Ford Ranger pickup truck. There is no evidence of streamlining as it follows the 4-door profile and design as contemporary pickups of this type. There are other examples of seemingly random contributions of vehicles, such as images of a 1959 Ford Thunderbird coupe and a 1984 Ford Mustang GT Turbo convertible. I have not been able to find reputable references that streamlining was a focus of their body designs. There are references for vehicles such as the Chrysler Airflow, International Harvester Metro Van, Hudson Commodore, Saab 92, etc. On the other hand, images of vehicles should be removed unless specific references are provided to streamlining in their development. In summary, the image galleries need to be streamlined. Thanks, CZmarlin (talk) 19:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Delete them, especially if they've been around a while with no sources. Collections of crowdsourced images abound at Pinterest and Flickr and Google Images. Wikipedia can't add much to troves of images that some guy on the internet thinks match a topic. What Wikipedia can add is information that meets a minimum standard of verifiability, but only if crowdsourced content is at least tagged, and then removed if nobody can build on it. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:02, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

I have taken an axe to a bunch of the images, but more work is needed. We need an editnotice warning editors not to add more images, similar to the one you see when you edit Train. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I have chopped off more images and added that edit notice. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Reference Steyr 100 and Chrysler Airflow

Hello wiki fans On my last edit I added 2 refs to the "Allgemeine Automobil-Zeitung" 1st February 1934. But I'm not shure, if I did it correctly. For title I used the article title, not the title of the newspaper. The newspaper has the name "Allgemeine Automobil-Zeitung", that means translated "General Automobile Newspaper" and it was the newspaper of the austrian automobile club.

• the ref to the airflow deals with the "New York Car Show 1934" in general. Only a short paragraph mentioned the streamlined body of the new Chrysler, but there is a nice foto.
• the body of the styr prototype was built in Dresden in 1933. For the start of production I didn't find a date. Some sources say 1935, but most sources say 1934. Also the Wikipedia article says 1934, but not the date.

If it is approved, that the links are correct and useful, you can remove this comment section. Nfp (talk) 10:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Formatting

@Trainsandotherthings: Hi! What do you think about this style of formatting. Leads toward resolving the tagged issue? —Alalch E. 21:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Wow! You really did a nice job. I've just removed the tag, your edits really made a big difference. The article still needs a lot more citations, but it's much more readable now. Around when I added that tag, this article had, I kid you not, over 100 images (I think over 150 actually). It's in a much better state now. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:37, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Great, thanks! (edit: I'll go through the rest of the article as well) —Alalch E. 10:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)