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MergingEdit

I've got to be honest, I've never contributed to this page, but I read it and I don't think it should be merged with film soundtrack. Simply because soundtrack is a thing of it's own. Movies have soundtracks, but games also have soundtracks. This should be rewritten to mention this. The article should be written with the thought of what is a soundtrack in general and not speaking about film soundtrack only. – DarkEvil 06:32, July 13, 2005 (UTC)

I agree 80.179.13.34 23:19, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


Following suggestions of above, I merged the articles, moving film specific references to film soundtrack and adding more info about video game music. Leonsimms 16:01, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


§ The fact that there was no article relating to film soundtracks, I found it appropriate to link it here. Especially since this article didn't reflect any information on any other kind of soundtrack, only on films, it was unneccesary for me to write an all new page all about film soundtracks, when there's nothing about games or book soundtracks as their own pages.

If you look at the end of this article, there is already information about games and book soundtracks.

If you guys are really miffed about the change, then split it into 5: games, books, film, theatre (there're more theatre and opera soundtracks than anything other than film) and general soundtracks.

But I think it's superfluous. There's no need to have multiples where only the one is required.

Another thing to mention is that there's a definite need in this page to note sources.

And some contradictory information is given, such as that the blurb prior to the (absurdly long, considering it's an example) listing of soundtracks. It includes a few notoriously well known for containing pop songs, such as Back to the Future (Hip to be Square & Power Of Love) and Terminator 2 (Guns N' Roses songs), though purports that the ones in the list are only orchestral scores. Either the list needs to be adjusted (or culled), or the blurb needs to be fixed (again, this would need to be done also, in my opinion).

The list is based on bias, and because of this is unsuitable to be used in this instance. To remove from bias, it'd be more suitable to list soundtracks based on their qualifications, i.e.: Box office sales (So Spiderman, Titanic, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings etc belong there) or accoladed films (So whatever's won best original score or things like that in the Academy Awards).

--Lincalinca 04:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Airwolf soundtrackEdit

I'm going to remove the Airwolf references, it seems too much like spam. Before restoring please comment here first Reflex Reaction 20:36, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

POVEdit

The section listing "Outstanding" soundtracks is POV. Either it can be removed entirely, or changed to show, for instance, only soundtracks that have won Academy Awards. Nationalparks 14:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, though the Academy Awards are often not awarded to soundtracks which go on to be considered "classics". I propose that anything listed must (1) earn a nomination in either the Academy Awards, Grammy Awards, BAFTA, or equivalent organization with an industry-recognized prestige, as well as (2) soundtracks which are financially successful and sell well. If the soundtrack has not sold many copies and has not received any nominations, it does not belong on this list. --Ilyag 02:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Is this a ok change?Edit

Is this change ok? The previous edit by the ip (202.61.204.8 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)) was reverted correctly as vandalism. Nsaa (talk) 06:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

No, if you look closely, the person replaced content with the same stuff as below. I reverted it back to how it was the last edit three days ago. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 11:24, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

dialogue + sound + music = ?Edit

The article says: "(dialogue track, sound effects track, and music track), and these are mixed together to make what is called the composite track", so

dialogue + sound + music = composite track

but "composite" just means that something has ≥ 2 parts

So is there any other term professionals use for this, that would uniquely define the content (contrary to "composite track" which is very vague)? I have heard "comp track", but this is just an abbreviation for the same thing. --boarders paradise (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

That part of the article is pretty badly written, and I would imagine is a result of the post at the top of this page, when the articles were merged.
The parts talking about composite are probably referring to the sound tracks down the side of 35mm and other sizes of film. Originally just the one, they did not really change much for the first decade or so, then started adding and stereo came out.
What did change was the way in which the whole process was completed. As it became easier to transfer recordings (or "records [of what happened]") from one medium to another, several recordings could be combined, taking the live audio from the orchestra/band straight to record and to the film sound track(s). Cloned records could then easily be made from the originals.
In 1935 the first 2.1 surround sound came out (as well as predictions of colour film making black and white obsolete!) pg. 171 and quite an in-depth 1935 explanation of the "hill-and-dale" and sideways wax records, as well as covering emulsion and photo-electric methods of recording audio for/onto film on pg. 176. Chaosdruid (talk) 06:02, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

"First" soundtrack albumEdit

Off my beaten WP editing path, so I leave it to someone else to hunt for the references, evaluate, and edit as they see fit:

One useful general rule of thumb is that all "first" claims should raise a big red flag, as they usually prove to be wrong unless very carefully qualified. That appears to be the case with the claim that "The first musical film to have a commercially issued soundtrack album was MGM’s film biography of Show Boat composer Jerome Kern, Till the Clouds Roll By [1946]." Setting aside the question of whether Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937), previously mentioned in the article, also qualifies as a musical, The Wizard of Oz is usually accepted as one, and a 78 rpm album of its songs (including the deleted "Jitterbug" number) was commercially issued in conjunction with the original 1939 release. If I am not mistaken, all of the recordings were taken from the sound-on-film scoring sessions, and possibly even from the composite soundtrack, and were not record studio remakes. At the least, it would seem that another qualifier or two must be added if the current claimant is to be left standing.

Retraction: the Decca Wizard of Oz album sides were record studio remakes, not dubs from MGM optical sound sources. AVarchaeologist (talk) 04:53, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

In the category of single records (as opposed to albums), the "Carioca" number from "Flying Down to Rio" was published as a 78 rpm record in 1933. In that instance, I am 100 percent certain that the audio was taken from the original sound-on-film scoring session (orchestra only, no vocals, dialog or sound effects), and 99 percent certain it is also the exact same take used in the film. Absolutely not a subsequent purpose-made recording. Very unusually for material of its vintage, the original track on 35 mm nitrate film has survived and now reposes in the UCLA film archives. There may well be earlier examples that elude me at the moment—a British release, possibly of slightly earlier vintage, seems to be futilely struggling to emerge from the memory bank.

The statement that "the record producer needed to copy segments from the playback discs used on set, the[n] copy and re-copy them..." is highly questionable. Maybe in one or more instances involving one of the minor record companies, but RCA Victor, and I believe also Columbia, had the facilities for dubbing directly from optical soundtracks to wax master discs in-house by 1929—they had developed a sideline of making sets of Vitaphone-type soundtrack discs from completed sound-on-film productions, needed by theaters not yet equipped for playing optical soundtracks. Obviously, it was easier to edit the sound while it was still on film, so the claimed multiple generations of disc-to-disc editing seem very improbable in the case of soundtrack material. In any case, the "playback discs used on set" would have been audibly the worse for wear after use, and if the studio supplied the raw material in disc form the lacquers would surely have been made especially for that purpose and supplied in pristine condition. A high-quality blank lacquer ("acetate") disc only cost a couple of dollars. AVarchaeologist (talk) 19:33, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Obviously not a reliable source, but there's been a few topics on the forum at FilmScoreMonthly.com about this over the years. That might help. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 22:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

found this brief explanation from a newspaper dated 1926: ("The Miracle" was the first motion picture to have a musical score specifically written for it) http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%208/Niagara%20Falls%20NY%20Gazette/Niagara%20Falls%20NY%20Gazette%201929%20May-Jul%20Grayscale/Niagara%20Falls%20NY%20Gazette%201929%20May-Jul%20Grayscale%20-%200901.pdf#xml=http://fultonhistory.com/dtSearch/dtisapi6.dll?cmd=getpdfhits&u=fffffffff9900ca5&DocId=2168906&Index=Z%3a\Index%20O-G-T&HitCount=2&hits=7da+82e+&SearchForm=C%3a\inetpub\wwwroot\Fulton_New_form.html&.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shokorus (talkcontribs) 21:27, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I dunno where you got that info, but the first original score was for The Assassination of the Duke of Guise, in 1908. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 01:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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