Talk:Skin (2018 feature film)

References to the short film

I removed passages that referred to the short film of the same name and called this feature film an adaptation of it. It is not. Yes, the two films have the same director and title and both are about a white supremacist with facial tattoos but otherwise are not related. The feature film is based on true events involving Byron Widner, while the short film is a fictional story about a man named Johnny Aldd. This article (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/oscar-nominated-shorts-2019-live-action-1184345) from The Hollywood Reporter says, while discussing the 2019 Oscar-nominated live-action short films, "The sole American production in this category, by Israeli director Guy Nattiv, is Skin — not to be confused with a thematically related feature-length film titled Skin, which Nattiv also released last year." Dewey Finn (talk) 19:37, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

• Article about the short, anyone? Espngeek (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

It already had one before you asked. Bearcat (talk) 16:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 25 February 2019

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The result of the move request was: Move to Skin (2018 feature film). Unusual case. Good solution. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 05:43, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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Skin (2018 film) → ? – Disambiguation against Skin (2018 short film). Both are American, so nationality cannot be included. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 03:38, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Is a hatnote not sufficient? e.g.

This article is about the feature length film. For the Academy Award-winning short film also by Guy Nattiv, see Skin (2018 short film).

Or something to that effect. Helixer (hábleme) 04:00, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

For WP:NCF not. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 04:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

• I'd support that hatnote for this rare case of same title, year, country and director (!) combination. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 11:04, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Skin (2019 film) - Yes, I know WP:NCFILM says to use the year of first presentation (including festivals), but I think this will be more WP:RECOGNIZABLE if we name it based on its worldwide release date. All of the usual methods of extra disambiguation (year, country, director) are not viable in this case. Let Skin (2018 film) redirect to Skin (disambiguation)#Films. -- Netoholic @ 11:09, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
  • The short film had a limited release earlier this month ahead of the Oscars so this title would still be ambiguous. PC78 (talk) 16:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

• Move to any title accepted by consensus. This is a deeply unusual case where all of our established rules fail, because it's nearly unprecedented for one director to release two different films with the same title in the same year which aren't handcuffed together as straight-up versions of each other. The only remotely similar examples to this I can think of at all are cases where a director made a short film and then went on to release a longer feature film version of the same story a couple of years later, such that both versions can be addressed in the same article (or simply disambiguated by the normal year-of-release method if separate articles are actually justified) — if there's ever been a situation that was fully equivalent to this, with two identically titled films telling completely different stories being released by the same director at the same time, I have no knowledge of it whatsoever. One option would be to break the "year of first presentation" rule here per Netoholic, using the year of commercial release instead because of the special circumstances, while the other option would be to riff on their lengths, dabbing this as "2018 feature film" since the other one is "2018 short film". I have a slight preference for the "feature" option, personally, but not strongly enough that I'd be inclined to argue if consensus leans toward the "2019" option instead. And, of course, "the hatnote is enough" remains on the menu as an option — it's not ideal, because as of last night the short film is now the more notable of the two, but it still technically gets the job done. But no matter what we do, this is a special case where we simply have to accept a title that's going to break our regular rules for film dabbing one way or another, because none of our regular rules work at all. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

• Move to Skin (2018 feature film) as the most logical and feasible way of distinguishing these two films. Skin (2019 film) would still be ambiguous, no point in trying to fudge WP:NCFILM if it doesn't solve the problem. PC78 (talk) 16:14, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support Skin (2018 feature film) per PC78. The feature/short distinction makes sense here. It reminds me of the 1989 Black Rain films where we had to disambiguate by nationality. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:22, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
• Move to Skin (2018 feature film) per PC78 and Erik, as the most intuitive form to provide analogous disambiguation from Skin (2018 short film). Incomplete disambiguations Skin (film) and Skin (2018 film) should redirect to Skin (disambiguation)#Films per Netoholic. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
• Support Skin (2018 feature film). It seems to be the option most consistent with WP:NCF. Betty Logan (talk) 22:36, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
• Support Skin (2018 feature film), and perhaps have Skin (2019 film) redirect there, unless a film of the same name gets released this year too. Feature/short film is a more obvious disambiguator and doesn't require fudging things like "(2019 film)". Daß Wölf 21:29, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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