Talk:Simon Ateba

COI tag (April 2022)

The article creator has also created Draft:Today News Africa, a promotional draft about Ateba's news organisation; in addition, they have uploaded several photos of Ateba (including the one used in this article) stating that they are "own work". bonadea contributions talk 13:25, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

I personally see nothing wrong with the article. All the statements in the article are true and well sourced. A google search shows also hundreds of other reliable sources about Simon Ateba and his work at the White House and in Nigeria. I do not see anything false in the project and I do not see any statement that was not backed up by a reliable source. His arrest and detention in Cameroon in 2015 while he investigated the living conditions of Nigerian refugees forcibly displaced by Boko Haram is also well sourced by media outlets in Nigeria and the United Kingdom. His work at the White House is backed up by media outlets in the United States and the United Kingdom, including Fox News, New York Post, The Daily Beast, Daily Mail, Mediaite, TMZ, and several others. I understand that journalists can be the target of those who may disagree with their work or target them because of their work, but when everything is accurate and can verified by reliable sources, I wonder why someone would try to discredit this profile. I do not see anything wrong with the profile and anyone who reads it and check all the sources will certainly arrive at the same conclusion. 274humblerpie (talk) 14:30, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

None of which has anything to do with the COI template – I explain above exactly why it was placed on the article. (Note also that Fox News is considered to be borderline reliable, while New York Post, Daily Mail, and International Business Times are generally unreliable. More info here.) That you add sourced information to the article is great. Thank you for doing so. But keep in mind that you need to assume good faith on the part of other editors. --bonadea contributions talk 16:42, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

I assume good faith in other editors. But this was made by only one editor, not all or many editors. All I am saying is any good editor who does a Google search on the subject will see many reliable sources on Journalist Simon Ateba. And if you are saying Fox News, New York Post, Daily Mail, Daily Beast, Mediaite, Daily Wire, Salon, International Business Times, National Review, Premium Times, Global Voices, Chanel 4, and several others who have quoted the work of the journalist in question over the years, are not really reliable sources, I wonder who is. The New York Times, The Washington Post, have had to correct their own stories on Hunter Biden for instance and several others. If we consider them reliable sources, then nothing is. To me, when I edit a piece, I try to spot true and false statements, good sources, and the importance of the subject. If all the statements are true and are backed up by reliable sources and the subject is important, like in this case, a journalist covering the White House, I do not see the need to flag the profile of the journalist in question. To me, it appears that the editor who flagged the profile did so out of malice or other personal or biased motives. Should the profile be improved? Yes, all profiles should be improved and they are always improved over time. Even our own profiles as editors can and should be improved. But to flag that profile was not done based on the facts and the accuracy of the statements in their profile. That's what I am saying. 274humblerpie (talk) 20:14, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

But this was made by only one editor, not all or many editors. Sorry – I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean by "this". What was made by one editor (and which editor?) if you are saying Fox News, New York Post, Daily Mail, Daily Beast, Mediaite, Daily Wire, Salon, International Business Times, National Review, Premium Times, Global Voices, Chanel 4, and several others who have quoted the work of the journalist in question over the years, are not really reliable sources I'm not saying that. I explain that Fox News is considered to be borderline reliable, while New York Post, Daily Mail, and International Business Times are generally unreliable. This is not my own opinion or evaluation, but the consensus opinion of Wikipedia's editors, following multiple discussions about those specific sources. Because we are expected to follow the consensus among our fellow volunteer editors, I have removed the New York Post, Daily Mail, and International Business Times sources that you added. Fox News is not classified as generally unreliable, but for obvious reasons we should be very careful about how much we rely on their reporting. Again, there is more information here. Finally, very important: Wikipedia does not have "profiles" of people or organisations or concepts. It has articles. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 20:34, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

You edited the journalist's profile and wrote that he is "a Cameroonian journalist working in the United States" but you have no evidence that the journalist is a Cameroonian journalist. You do not know his citizenship and did not provide any source to back that up. All you know is that the journalist was born in Cameroon based on reports. You also removed that he is chief White House Correspondent for Today News Africa. You just guessed things, provided no evidence and edited the profile. You seem to have personal bias against the journalist. You cannot just guess things and write them. Every statement that you make about the journalist in question should be backed up by a reliable source. That someone was born in a particular country does not mean that they are from that country. This is what happens when we believe someone does not deserve what they are. A big part of the journalist's work is covering the White House. But you decided that you had to remove that from their profile based on bias and personal hatred for the guy, I guess. You do not seem to be independent and distant enough to edit their profile and should recuse yourself, I believe. 274humblerpie (talk) 08:14, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

That someone was born in a particular country does not mean that they are from that country. Foo? What else would it mean? As for the "chief White House Correspondent for Today News Africa" bit – that's pure promotional fluff, you know. Please keep in mind that "Every statement that you make about the journalist in question should be backed up by a reliable source", and the only source for that is Fox News which, as you hopefully know by now, is borderline reliable. (Today News Africa is not a reliable source for that kind of statement, which should be obvious.) A title like "chief White House correspondent" doesn't mean much if there's no other staff on the news agency.

Feel free to remove and apologise for your unfounded personal attacks. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 15:50, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I was only made aware of Mr. Abeta a few minutes ago, when WMAL news/talk radio in Washington, DC, reported on his asking a question at today’s White House press conference. (The Vince Coglianese Show, first part of the 4 PM hour, which can be retrieved for the next week as a podcast on WMAL.com.) I am not familiar with his publication, although it seems to have its own YouTube page with numerous audio or video excerpts and claims 4750 subscribers.

BUT, if you are indicating above that everyone born in a particular country is thereby automatically a citizen of that country, then you are wrong, and should take a look at the Wikipedia article on jus soli, also known as Birthright citizenship.” In fact, the map published with the Wikipedia article indicates that no West African country recognizes that concept. therefore, it would seem a bit reckless to assume that Mr. Abeta is a Cameroonian citizen just because he was born there, if that is what you have done. 2600:4040:4908:1B00:C904:3213:F9BC:8A58 (talk) 21:44, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Bonadea, I have no idea whether you have "bias and personal hatred" regarding Ateba, and you're right that this humblepie person's attribution of such motives to you is unfounded. However, you do seem to have allowed your personal irritation with him to blind you to the validity of one (and I say only one) part of his argument: the fact that Ateba was born in Camaroon doesn't entail that he is Camaroonian. I was born in South Korea, but I don't have South Korean citizenship, nor do I consider myself South Korean. Phatius McBluff (talk) 14:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

• CU note I've blocked 274humblerpie as a  Confirmed sock account of Thewashingtonimmigrant, the creator of this article.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 15:53, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Camaroonian?

I haven't edited Wikipedia in ages, but I was so taken aback by part of the exchange on this talk page that I had to comment.

By all means, block the pie guy and remove the unreliable sources. However, pie guy is absolutely right about one thing: the fact that Ateba was born in Camaroon does not support the article's claim that he is Camaroonian. To be Camaroonian, he would need to be a Camcaroonian citizen. The fact that he was born there doesn't mean that he is a citizen. I was born in South Korea but was adopted by Americans as a baby and don't have Korean citizenship.

I will be bold and remove the claim that he is Camaroonian. Phatius McBluff (talk) 14:29, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Daily Beast

The Daily Beast isn't a reliable source, especially with BLPs. Notice that that blog is being used to primarily add negative or pejorative information to this article. I'll give it a day or so for comment before I remove it. 152.130.15.3 (talk) 15:55, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

And Fox News is questionable for anything about US politics. I have substituted the last addition but there still are a few more Fox citations left. —PaleoNeonate – 03:29, 15 July 2023 (UTC)