Talk:Nightmare (Soulcalibur)

Voice actor

The voice actor for Nightmare in Soul Caliber III is Patrick Ryan

What happened to alignment?

How come the category alignment in the info box disappeared from all SC related characters? Nothing can be done to bring it back either!?

Confused

Can somone clarify me from where this fragment from Nightmare's biography comes from?:

Taken from Wikipedia's Nightmare Profile:

"As Siegfried Schtauffen lay wounded on the ground, having been defeated by Kilik's holy bo staff Kali-Yuga, he gradually began to become a prominent force in Nightmare's mind once again. During this time, he witnessed the banishment of the blazing Inferno of Soul Edge into the void by the holy sword Soul Calibur, and the Soul Calibur's fall into the void along with its counterpart. And he watched as its former wielder, Chai Xianghua, quietly left the castle, aiding her wounded companion along the way."

As of my knowledge, neither Siegfried SC profile, Nightmare SC2 Profile or either of both's SC3 Profiles (both from Soularchive.jp and in-game) gives reference to this happening. Even more, Nightmare's SC2 website profile, longer and more detailed, gives the impresion that Nightmare/Siegfried got sucked into the void alongside Inferno and Soul Calibur:

Fragment taken from Nightmare's Soul Calibur II Profile from Soularchive.jp:

"...The battle between the swordsmen took place in a vortex of hellfire and evil energy summoned by Soul Edge. After a raging battle, the evil sword shattered, and both Nightmare and Soul Edge fell into the collapsing void.

With Soul Edge severely weakened, Nightmare regained some of his humanity. Along with lucidity came the horrifying memories of the sins he committed, as well as the fear and anger of those who were slaughtered by him. Moreover, he realized that he had been the one who murdered his father.

Expelled from the void into an unfamiliar place, Nightmare disappeared into the night-the evil sword still in his grip. But Soul Edge was weaker now, and splinters of itself were left in Nightmare's footsteps."

So if anyone can clear this to me, I'll greatly apreciate it. Thanks (Johnny Master 07:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)).

Nobody answer?...I'll wait 3 days more. If I don't receive a source that says that Siegfried was there when Kilik/Xianghua left, I'm going to re-write that part telling that he got sucked into the void, like his SC2 bio strongly imply. (Johnny Master 05:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)).

Are implications enough? I strongly disagree

Wikipedia Grammar Standards/Accuracy of information

Please do not modify the contents of this article, or any article for that matter, if you do not plan on measuring up to Wikipedia's grammar standards. Make it English.

Thanks.

But Is it really a standard? I mean some things have foreign names. It is not like we can for example call the weapon katana for japanese sword just to keep the standards, or re-name the sword zweihander to two-handed german sword... The standard would be kept, but the fact and informative value would be lost. Re-naming things to make them measure up to wikipedia`s standards would be Foolish. I believe This inaccuracy should be clarified.

Picture

How come there's no main picture? Every character used to have one? Silver Fang 07:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

There should be a picture, although pictures on Nightmare's page seem to get deleted for some reason, something regarding copyright I think. BassxForte 19:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

well someone needs to put on up alreadyDark reaper6789 18:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

And it seems no one has put one up yet...Dark reaper6789 17:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Meh. I'll do it myself when I get home. I'll use an image of Nightmare that I use as my sig in Internet forums. Don't know how long it'll last around here though *sigh*

Silver Fang 07:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Breakout

Is Nightmare really a breakout character? I know that due to his apperance he tends to catch people's eye a lot easier then other characters, but according to wikipedia's "breakout character" page the breakout chracter also tends to be the most popular character, and i'll need a source before I can let that breakout character exist on the page with peace of mind. BassxForte 19:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about breakout, but he has become the symbol for Project Soul, as they are now using him as their personal icon. Silver Fang 08:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay.

Point by point, my reasons for every edit I did:

1) "Nightmare made his first appearance in Soul Calibur and has returned for both Soul Calibur II and Soul Calibur III. This character originally appeared in as "Siegfried!", an extra costume for Siegfried that was actually used to represent Siegfried's possession (by Soul Edge) in Siegfried's ending. He is Soul Calibur's Breakout character."

This paragraph is just redundant information all over. His appearances are covered the paragraph above this (...making his debut in Soul Calibur... in first sentence and ...Nightmare has been present in both sequels to Soul Calibur, Soul Calibur II and Soul Calibur III... in last paragraph). The "Siegfried!" commentary is stated on the first paragraph on his story section (...In the home version, an extra character named Siegfried! was added as an unlockable character. "Siegfried!" was an alternate version of normal Siegfried...), and the "Breakout" comment is unreferenced opinion from whoever edited it.

2)"Some call it the "Sword of Heroes", others the "Sword of Immortality". Although the details of this legendary sword changed while the rumors spread around the world, its nature is unmistakably evil. The evil sword is said to change forms to accommodate its wielder's fighting style and experience. Whenever the sword is bathed in blood, its single eye appears enraptured. It can control its wielder to commit grotesque crimes in order to consume souls, but its true purpose and intents remain unknown. After the events surrounding its defeat at the hands of two young warriors, the sword has been severely weakened. But still its power remains as a great force. In the present Soul Edge is now in a dormant state, sealed alongside its polar opposite, Soul Calibur, in what is known as the "Soul Embrace".

Soul Edge weapon profile is both storytelling and in-universe. There are many lines taken from both SC and SC2 weapon descriptions, with slight alterations. Besides, the description is both storytelling (describing the sword as in a story, not as in an enciclopedia) and in-universe (telling it from an inside the SC world view, instead of real world persepective). It is also quite long, and repeat information mentioned already on the sword's personal page. If an user wants to learn more about Soul Edge, he/she should follow the "main article" link.

3) After Nightmare was granted a new body, he used his memories of the sword alongside his great strength and will, and materialized this weapon from his body. It seems like a phantom memento of his origin. Nothing is really known about this sword. It is still capable of absorbing souls in order to maintain Nightmare's new shell, but it is dwarfed in comparison to the genuine Soul Edge in terms of power, meaning it has no other special effects.

This sword is created in a way similar to how Charade and Inferno create their own weapons (from their bodies), further hinting at Nightmare's relation with Inferno.

Same problem as before. Also, this section is way too long for a weapon with no official background (SC3 has no Weapon Profile).

4) Trivia (personal favourite):

In Tales of Souls, near the end of any character's path, with the obvious exception of Nightmare's and Siegfried's, Nightmare will face off against Siegfried, and the winner will face the player's character next.

Already said before in the article. No need to repeat itself (penultimate paragraph. ...They also possess their own event around the last chapters of the mode, in which both have a short fight in which the player later confronts the winner.).

In Soul Calibur III, Nightmare's weapons and fighting style are available under the discipline Soul of Nightmare to characters created under the Barbarian class.

In my revision, this was included into the body of the article, so it wasn't lost.

Nightmare's nickname in Soul Calibur is "Azure Nightmare". He's also known in the story as the "Azure Knight". Nightmare's Destined Battle in Soul Calibur is Sophitia and in Soul Calibur II and Soul Calibur III his Destined Battle is Raphael.

Meaningless trivia. Wikipedia is not a fansite for Soul Calibur. Such meaningless things like nicknames and Destined Battles are as important to a non-knowledgable reader as Nightmare's height and weight (stats already removed for a similar reason). If anyone wants to find these information, he/she should check a fan-based or official site.

In Soul Calibur III, the helmet of Nightmare's second costume looks very much like the helmet of Sauron from the Lord of the Rings series.

Opinion. I myself think that Nightmare's helmet looks like Saint Seiya's Unicorn Jabu helmet. Should I add that? What about the fact the Elder God Armor on MKArmageddon looks quite similar to his armor? Why don't we just get a section for similarities? This is pure opinion of someone, not a fact that can be referenced or cited, unless the creator says he based it on Sauron, but we know that's not the case.

According to the line "Hehe...Ha Ha Ha Ha-Power flows through me!",it is possible that Nightmare is in fact Night Terror.(Which it appears in Nightmare's input ending in Soulcalibur III)

Why a line about power has to do with Night Terror? That Nightmare feels power has nothing to do with the fact he can turn into Night Terror (since he does it when both swords got fused with him, not by gathering souls or in the middle of the fight) This is another opinion, based on nothing more than a simple line and the editor's POV. Not acceptable.

Nightmare is technically Soul edge so this makes Nightmare the main antagonist of the game series.

The fact he's the main antagonist/villain was already covered at the start. The fact he's Soul Edge is already accounted in the sinopsis of his SC3 profile (...thought the sword's "spirit" or will escaped before and entered the armor Siegfried discarded after reclaiming his body.). There's not a need to point out something that can be easily discovered by reading the history of the char.

I hope this clears up my intention. 201.255.10.227 01:55, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I am aware that most of that does improve the article, however I believe that taking out certain things detract from the article and in the long run hurt it. BassxForte 03:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Did you even read what the anon said? Most of the information is redundant and too detailed. Some of it is also copy-pasted from official sources and he reworded the text to make it original. - Zero1328 _Talk? 01:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I shall revert his edit then take what what is not needed, thus the things he took out that deserved to be taken out shall stay out. BassxForte 01:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

No, nvm, I can't stand to look at the mutilation of the page for one of my favoirte characters long enough to fix the damage that has been done. BassxForte 01:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Night Terror

Why was the section about Night Terror merged into this page? BassxForte 21:10, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea... I saw no reasoning behind it, or even a discussion. Methinks I'll revert/cleanup when I have time. Tobz1000 16:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The game does not out-right state that Nightmare is Night Terror, it's implied by Nightmare's good (input) ending, but if you play through Nightmare's Tales of Souls and get the Night Terror fight it is Zasalamel who transforms into him, the same thing happens if your playing as Seigreid, thus, we can't be sure Nightmare and Night Terror are one and the same. Vilerocks 20:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Not only Nightmare's ending states that, but Night Terror's profile as well.

• Night Terror came to existence after Soul Edge and Soul Calibur's energies fused with the remains of Nightmare ("(...)when Zasalamel attempted to take the power of Soul Edge for himself, it fused with not only the summoned Nightmare, but with even the power of Soul Calibur, becoming a terrible incarnation of pure destruction will.")

• "Perhaps it had retraced the memories of the blue armor, or perhaps it had a remnant of the self-will that had formed while it used Siegfried as a host.". Last time I checked, Zasalamel has not used blue armor nor Siegfried as a host. Night Terror's style is borrowed from his memories as Nightmare, and that's why he resembles it.

• Zasalamel cannot transform into Night Terror, because he's slayed by it following its awakening ("It easily escaped Zasalamel's control and appeared behind him, wielding its power like a raging current, and obliterated him."). The unchanged animation (besides lazyness from Namco) could simply disregard the part in which Zasalamel/Abyss is struck down.

• Nightmare vs Night Terror is probably the same case as Zasalamel vs Abyss (which are the same as well): A battle of wills inside the Chaos world. The battle, however, has no explanation and thus cannot be truly analized. Saying Nightmare can't be Night Terror just because of the last battle is the same as saying Zasalamel can't be Abyss because they fight at the end as well. Don't take the last battle for what they're worth (afterall, Inferno ended being non-canon at the end of SC2)

Besides the obvious name upgrade (A Nightmare into a Night Terror), it's pretty much obvious Night Terror is Soul Edge/Nightmare in its purest form. About the merge, I think it was discussed in the discussion page for the WikiProject, since they are not only one-time chars, but quite minor ones (basically just bosses with almost no background). 201.255.11.162 01:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

We still don't know if it's Nightmare. Vilerocks 02:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it is pretty much obvious for whoever reading his profile. What else could it be if not? Having Soul Edge Complete, being the fuse of Nightmare+SE+SC, Having appearance, memories and style of Nightmare/Siegfried, seeing Nightmare transform into it, having flame features (wings, inner fire through cracks) like Inferno, Soul Edge's will personification, and possibly Nightmare as well? Be my guest. Atleast, Zas is out of question: the profile makes it quite clear they are two different beings. 201.255.0.210 04:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia follows "verifiability, not truth". Vilerocks 17:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

It would be foolish not to keep it... come on there has to be some source material stating this.

Beyond one line in Night Terror's profile, their two diffrent people as far as wikipedia's concerned. BassxForte 05:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm a little confused by this. I can accept that due to Wikipedia's standards Night Terror must have a separate entry because he is considered a separate entity. But strictly by those rules we should remove Nightmare's article as well. After all, he is merely a persona adopted by Siegfreid under the control of Soul Edge, a persona later perpetuated by Soul Edge when it served as a shell for the will of the sword. So does that mean Nightmare's page should be split and merged with Siegfried and Inferno? Lord Knightcon (talk) 18:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

No, because Nightmare is an icon with more stand-alone reception than Siegfried (and Inferno has next to none). Siegfried's was instead merged into here. A character's role in a series doesn't have as much relevance to them having an article as real-world weight does.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

That seems to me you're saying as long as a character has sufficient notability and recognition, then presenting the factual origins of the character itself and its true nature in the context of the in-game universe don't matter. Did I read that correctly?--Lord Knightcon (talk) 14:13, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Not quite. It means that to a casual viewer who may know nothing of the series, Nightmare is Nightmare: whether it's Sieg or Inferno under the armor is secondary. The greater importance is put upon Nightmare, and as a part of the original character Siegfried, being presented as a real-world character that has discussion about its merits or weight. Take Necrid as an example: In game he isn't very important, other than he helped defeat Inferno in II and closed the gate to the Chaos dimension. Compared to Kilik, that's not as heavy a character. But a significant amount of discussion about the character existed as well as promotion and development information. As a result, Necrid has a lot of real world weight. Siegfried is an importance character in the Soul series, but it's as Nightmare you'll find most of the discussion, even if they aren't the same character any longer. Make sense?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:20, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

What you're saying makes sense, it's the underlying idea that confounds me. Using only those criteria defies impartiality, by presenting first the characters that are "recognizable" (read, popular) and have "real-world" references (read, more fans than other characers), and setting the rest aside in a single clump of a page. If the context of the aritcles is supposed to be "Main characters of the Soul (series)", then why doesn't the structure reflect that? Shouldn't the characters importance to the series, independent of their reception, have more weight than the communities opinion of said character?

Because if not then what defines notability? I can guarantee I can find fan sites containing plenty of impartial observations and discussions about any character in the series. And if we use the rule that "any reception is reception" (citing Necrid, who was largely ignored by most legitimate sources, but people had nothing but bad things to say about) then would an off-hand comment about Olcadan resembling the ORLY? owl count as notability?--Lord Knightcon (talk) 11:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:N and WP:V. In addition you should look a bit more at examples tossed at you: Necrid actually had an equal and large amount of positive and negative reception, and was hardly "ignored by most legitimate sources". Olcadan and the ORLY factor only net you a sentence or two: if there was some deep discussion about it in various sources that would be one thing, but he's effectively just mentioned by IGN and one review in regards to that. The purpose of the articles, btw, is not to show the major characters in a series, but the most notable and recognized ones as confirmed by third-party reliable sources. Note the reliable part rules out fan sites, which in almost all cases lack an editorial process and are just people expressing their own opinions with no check to make sure the opinion is sound.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

It seems I simply can't fathom this editing decision, in choosing a guildline to supersede policy. To me, judging a character's worth solely on the critical acclaim of that character defeats the purpose of an encyclopedic reference source. It would also seem like the Soul (series) Wikipedia entries are beyond my help. I apologize for wasting both of our time.

You know the funny thing about opinions; once enough people agree on it, it becomes generally held. And once a generally held opinion is around long enough, it becomes right. And as soon as something becomes right, everything else becomes wrong, regardless of the factual basis of it.--Lord Knightcon (talk) 15:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Gameplay

Okay, this is pretty much just like the old character analysis section from before. I'm removing these for the same reason people from before deleted the character analysis section. If you want to find out why, check out Taki's and Kilik's talk pages. If people want a strategy guide, they should go to fansites. Mythmonster2 (talk) 06:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Siegfried Article Deletion!

Who deleted the Siegfried article?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.76.121.136 (talk) 21:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't deleted. Someone changed the link to Siegfried Schtauffen so that it links to Nightmare's page instead of Siegfried (Soulcalibur). Just in case someone wants to point fingers, I changed it back. The discussion link on that page in regards to MERGING the two articles also links to the talk area on THIS page instead of that one, but I saw no mention of it on this page prior to this section. Further discussion on these characters seriously needs to be considered before merging them. Please reference my entry on Siegfried's page dated for today. Thank you. Tidus the BlitzStar (talk) 20:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, NOW it's been deleted...how nice. No discussion, either. Tidus the BlitzStar (talk) 20:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The decision was done because for all the sources, the reception for Siegfried was at a bulk from Soulcalibur II and prior, in which he was still Nightmare. While Nightmare as a separate character got reception, Siegfried as a stand alone character without the Nightmare aspect didn't, and was failing WP:N. Added to this was the issue that the article was rehashing the very same plot up to a certain point as Nightmare's article, and really only a paragraph could be needed to cover Siegfried's role in III and IV. Added to this Nightmare ends up the character with the most promotion. So it came down to two options:

• Split the reception the best one could, but the end result would be a failure for both articles and just merging them into the character list.
• Merging one into the other and covering the real-world aspect of them.

Nobody of course said anything until after the fact. And before someone chimes in with the inevitable "every char should have an article", they shouldn't. Most of them don't, and other fighting game series character articles are going through the same treatment. So do you destroy both to keep them separate or create one good one?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's give an example: Superman and Clark Kent are both important aspects of the same character. Say Kent separated from being Superman. But all of Kent's weight was as Superman. What do you think would happen?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I understand where you are coming from, but starting from the beginning of Soulcalibur III onward, Siegfried and Nightmare were two separate beings again. They were separate beings before and during the time where Siegfried became Nightmare's pawn. Also, there is sufficient back history for both characters BEFORE the games took place (e.g. for Nightmare: Inferno) that warrants the relevance of both characters to the series, particulary in Soulcalibur Legends, where Siegfried was the central character and Nightmare was an afterthought. It seems way too much like the importance of Siegfried as a figure within the series is being overlooked simply because, as someone put it a few sections above, a temporary alter ego of one of the characters was "the breakout character". This article pretty much covers all things concerning Nightmare and mentioning Siegfried, a major character in 3 games in the series, as a footnote without really emphasizing his importance. I cite the discussion section above me (Night Terror) as a direct example of how skewed and taken out of context many of the policies are in this "free encyclopedia that ANYONE can edit". And yes, you can throw all your fancy schmancy NPOV's, NOTE's, and LMNOP's at me until you are blue in the face and you can also talk about "in-universe" arguments and "outside viewer" arguments but as a relevant and central character to the series, it does not do credit to EITHER article as singular topics to half-ass merge one into another. I am quite confident that the decision will not be overturned, however I also want to mention the "Clark Kent" example above: first off, Clark Kent and Superman have ALWAYS been the same character, just different aspects of that character. They have never been separate entities except for a few instances in universe with only momentary effect on plot. Here, we are talking about 2 separate characters, one who was temporarily a puppet to the other, who are NOT the same character and whose factual importance to the entire series as a whole is completely undermined by a blurred combination of the facts concerning two entities based merely on what also appears to be an opinion-based interpretation of the rules based also on self-preceived evaluations of what an outsider looking in will see.68.187.251.60 (talk) 02:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Someone totally removed the Siegfried article! 67.38.241.19 (talk) 23:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)Kinz

I came here looking for information about Siegfried, yet every link takes me here and all the article talks about is Nightmare. I know there was only Siegfried in the first game and that they split into two different entities at the end of SCII, but there's only info about Nightmare in the whole of Wikipedia?

I don't care who has the most promo work for the series. I don't care if there's no seperate page for Siegfried. I don't care if someone considers them one and the same. Could someone PLEASE put some actual information about Siegfried somewhere!?! Durmgrid (talk) 07:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

It's ironic that Kung Fu Man would choose Clark Kent/Superman as his example to justify this merger, as Clark Kent and Superman both have their own separate aritcles here on Wikipedia.

Does that mean we can end this debate and properly restore the Siegfried and Nightmare articles?--199.79.10.117 (talk) 13:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Nightmare's personality

In a possibly vain attempt to improve the quality of this article by addressing the in-universe representation of Nightmare, I'd like to clarify his personality traits in the article. So here are the facts:
-In Soulcalibur I and II, Nightmare is the alter-ego of Siegfried. In other words Siegfried is the one wearing the armor.
-In Soulcalibur III and IV, Nightmare is a shell inhabited by the will of Soul Edge, in other words he is Inferno, in a suit of otherwise empty armor. This is made quite clear in the character profiles in both games.
-Nightmare uses the same personality and mannerisms in all his appearances; victory animations, key phrases ("Blood...darkness...Come unto me!"), etc.

Near as I can reckon, this means one of two things:
-The will of Soul Edge permanently adopted this portion of Siegfried's personality.
-It was really Soul Edge(Inferno) speaking all along while using Siegfried as a host.

Which stance do we want the article to take? Or instead just present all of this and let the reader make up his own mind? (or maybe none of this...who knows)--199.79.10.117 (talk) 19:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Removing information for "good guy" Siegfried

I edited the article so that it refers to only the character named "Nightmare" (be it Siegfried or otherwise), so that the article, following its name, would only be about Nightmare and not both Nightmare and "hero" Siegfried (especially considering he has his own mini-article while the other Soulcalibur characters with their own full-size articles don't). My idea, if anyone wants to restore the information, is that the article is renamed "Siegfried and Nightmare" or something like that and information for both characters is included.--172.132.65.31 (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

If Siegfried is the same (and original) character, all info should be merged here and the article renamed

--Niemti (talk) 07:50, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Disagree there needs to more sources for Siegfried as its is a separate character.Dwanyewest (talk) 07:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Nightmare is just an alter ego form of Siegfried, which only later separated itself. --Niemti (talk) 11:24, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

This redirect should be fixed..

So, typing in: "Siegfried Schtauffen" redirects to Nightmare (Soulcalibur)?? I'm first off not going to even comment about how Nightmare has a main article and not Siegfried, more than enough information exists for him already, so there is no excuse. The only info of Sieg that should exist on the Nightmare page should be information of Soulcalibur I and II Nightmare/Sieg, as Nightmare became a seperate character fully on after SCII.

Also, pretty sure searching "Siegfried Schtauffen" should redirect to List of Soul characters if Sieg has no main article at the time. Aelvir Valfort Lugn (talk) 18:43, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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Merge into a "Siegfried and Nightmare"?

Siegfried material being at User:SNAAAAKE!!/sandbox and it's essentially a single character anyway. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 17:31, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Siegfried and Nightmare. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 9 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks ping me! 10:28, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

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Siegfried and Nightmare → Nightmare (Soulcalibur) – As discussed in the above discussion, Nightmare is the only arguably notable character here. The scope should be changed back, and Siegfried content merged away. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. After putting enough research into this, this is honestly something I was considering myself for a long time.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 10:00, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Even if the article was about both figures, it should still be just as Nightmare. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 12:27, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support Only one is notable, and it isn't Siegfried. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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