Talk:Shirenewton

Dinham

The "abandoned village of Dinham" gets a mention only in relation to the Golf Course (now closed) in the Village Today section. Should it appear in the History section? Is any more known about it? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Only that it was a hamlet located between Caerwent and Shirenewton, which had some ruins sometimes described as Dinham Castle. More here, but I'm not convinced that a ruined medieval wall is sufficiently notable for its own article! Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I see that Bradney tells us that William Blethyn, who was born at Shirenewton Court and who was said to have been buried in the chancel at Mathern, purchased the estate of Dinham in October 1589, from a Christopher Welsh of Llanwern. This is partly supported by the Morgan and Wakeman 1856 history. I would have imagined that, if anything, perhaps it was a manor house and not a castle. But Morgan and Wakeman are pretty clear about it being a castle, even if it were only similar to the "irregular fastnesses which were erected in the time of Henry III". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:35, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

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Overhaul of the etymological sections.

The article feels very piecemeal, and "The village today" section is especially poor, both in writing and how badly informed it seems to be.

As an example, The Welsh language board hasn't existed for ten years and I am unsure what the "controversy" that opens this section is or who finds it controversial. Then there is a lot of trivia, some etymological, some about roads or pubs or other topics which do not seem applicable to an encyclopedic article.

To (hopefully) improve this, I have collated some of the disparate info in "The Village Today" and history sections into an etymology section. However, I have left a lot of these issues alone for those who are better informed on the village's history or current status. If anyone who made these original edits, or who has info on what I have removed/reworded then please let me know. If, for example, there is a controversy I am unaware of then I will happily add that back in. Cymrogogoch (talk) 16:53, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure there's anything necessarily "unencyclopedic" about pubs or roads, especially in a small village. Martinevans123 (talk)

Sorry if I've trod on anyone's toes here, was most certainly not my intention. People put a lot of time and energy into these articles that is very much open to unsolicited criticism. I have also left all of the non-etymological information unchanged, but I would still suggest this is an article in need of further improvements.

"The village also has a modern primary school called Shirenewton Primary that was built in 1985. This lies between Shirenewton and Mynydd-bach, and is situated in large open playing fields. The school hosts seven classes, three infant classes, and four junior."

Writing like this simply does not belong on an encyclopaedic article about Shirenewton.

Information on pubs and roads is perfectly acceptable, if they are in themselves noteworthy. However,

"The village of Shirenewton has easy links to the M48 motorway at Chepstow, making access to Bristol, Newport and Cardiff quick and easy."

is again trivial, under Wikipedia's own guidelines.[[1]]

Cymrogogoch (talk) 21:46, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I'll keep my toes to myself, thanks. But about the school, when you say "Writing like this" do you mean the style or the content? Again, if a village has a school, that's usually notable. Are you suggesting a re-write or wholesale removal? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I'd be happy with either, every paragraph of that particular section is trivial, fragmentary and the whole section is unsourced. This falls under the UK Settlement guidelines, "Per WP:TRIVIA, do not use a "trivia", "miscellaneous" or "other facts" section."

Again, sorry, but I don't see a school as "trivial". In fact, I don't see much at all there that's trivial, in terms of significance to the village itself. Bit of a subjective judgement, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)