Talk:Sassy Justice

Celebrities

I have just removed a section listing celebrities. The immediate trigger was that it started with Julie Andrews. My impression is that the actress was actually Emma Thompson but that's OR. We shouldn't be doing this without citations.

This section is contentious because the show portrays various celebrities in different ways – face switching, puppets, video clips – and it's debatable which is fake or whether they all are. This is part of the idea – to mix things up so much that you're not sure what's real and what isn't. Anyway, listing the celebrities needs to have some filter otherwise it will just turn into a long laundry list.

Andrew🐉(talk) 12:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Andrew Davidson, "it's debatable which is fake or whether they all are... the idea [is] to mix things up so much that you're not sure what's real and what isn't" Wait. Are you suggesting that they may have really gotten Al Gore to come on the show and say that he's super cereal about senators saying "vagina poop"? Is there any actual possibility that someone is going to think that Jared Kushner has the body and voice of a six year old boy? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• For example, this show had a clip of Fauci that seemed mostly genuine but was presented out of context. It is quite possible that some celebrities might participate voluntarily in some way. For an earlier example, see The Tonight Show. I put a couple of other satirical shows in a see also section. The latest Borat movie has people in disguise mixed up with real celebs like Rudy Giuliani. I've not seen the new Spitting Image yet but the first run had real appearances by heavyweight politicians like Denis Healey. So, you see, in this format, anything can happen. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

  Andrew Davidson, I really don't think there is any prospect of someone misunderstanding who is deepfaked and who isn't in this show. No one is going to believe that Mark Zuckerberg runs a scam dialysis clinic in Wyoming or that Michael Caine actually said that if you watch with your ears, you can tell that a puppet screaming "I'm Tom Cruise! Vagina poop!" isn't Tom Cruise. And if someone does believe that, I don't know that anything can really help correct that person. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• I don't agree. The Michael Caine bit, for example, was not especially outrageous and the impersonation was quite convincing to my eye and ear. Anyway, what's the point at issue here? Is Koavf suggesting that citations are not needed? Andrew🐉(talk) 19:15, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

  Andrew Davidson, So you thought that the actual Michael Caine fell for a puppet as Tom Cruise and the only way that he could tell that it wasn't the real Tom Cruise screaming "Vagina poop!" to the press was because he watched with his ears...? The issue here is Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• Michael Caine is an actor and so I'm quite accustomed to him saying whatever bizarre things the script requires. WP:BLUE is not appropriate because the main point of this show is to fool around with the truth. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:24, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

  Andrew Davidson, So you weren't 100% sure about whether or not Michael Caine was actually trying to convince everyone that a puppet screaming "I'm Tom Cruise! Vagina poop!" wasn't really Tom Cruise? I want to be entirely clear on this. Yes or no: you had some internal doubt about whether or not the real Michael Caine was talking about a puppet screaming "Vagina poop!"? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• This is getting repetitious. Currently, it appears that the IP editor below agrees with my original points. There is therefore no consensus for Koavf's view that citations are not required. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

  Andrew Davidson, So I'll take that as a "yes", you actually thought that Jared Kushner was a child, Michael Caine said that a puppet screaming "Vagina poop!" isn't really Tom Cruise, and that Al Gore was "super cereal" about the danger of deep fakes. I have now inserted citations for these deepfakes. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

This interview with the creators in the NYT confirms that it's Julie Andrews, as played by Sarah Alexander. Agree with your general point, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:ED0:53AC:F100:D4A3:9F0A:9DA6:2E4 (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• I've looked again and see the likeness now, thanks. But, as people like Andrews and Thompson look similar, it's tricky to say it's one rather than the other when it isn't actually either of them. We need a citation to say what likeness was intended. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)