Talk:Sanctity (band)

Jared's Vocals

Should it be mentioned that his vocals bear resemblance to Motörhead's Lemmy Kilmeister or Judas Priest's Rob Halford? Dark Executioner 16:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The usual standard applies: if there's a neutral, reliable source, then yes. —Piet Delport 06:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Discography

(See User talk:Piet Delport#Sanctity's demo articles.)

I created Sanctity discography, and merged the demo stubs (Sancity's First Demo, Bedroom Sessions, and Sanctity's Third Demo) into it. —Piet Delport 05:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

What is the point

in having Names of bands in all caps when it talks about the line-up chainging? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.9.72 (talk) 23:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Metalcore?

Does anyone else feel Sanctity very much sound like metalcore? No, this isn't meant as a put-down, simple statement of fact. Let's not have any "But metalcore sucks!!!" stuff here. I'm just saying it bears a lot of similarities: breakdowns, similar riffing style, down-tuning, alternating soft and harsh vocals, fast pace, generally uplifting feel combined with high aggression. To be honest, it has A LOT more in common with metalcore than thrash metal. Listen to things like Shadows Fall (modern), Killswitch Engage, Unearth, etc. It sounds a lot more like those than thrash metal albums. Prophaniti (talk) 22:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Genre

Since I don't wish to start an edit war, we can discuss it here. Happy? To me, the band is obviously thrash metal. Between the gruff late 80's thrash vocals, the halford-esque falsetto that sounds straight out of the bay area, the obvious thrash stylings and song structures, and the complete lack of any hardcore elements, most notable among them breakdowns (seriously, where do you hear breakdowns?), I can't see how you'd think this is metalcore.

Then there's sources. http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:knfwxq8dld6e http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists/Sanctity/ "Metal Maniacs magazine has praised the band for offering a "modern twist on old-school thrash," standing amongst an elite few American bands spearheading the modern thrash revival. Come see their trailblazing thrash explosion on the Black Tyranny Tour!" http://www.sweetslyrics.com/reviews-1101-SANCTITY%20-%20Road%20To%20Bloodshed.html - theres reviews from AbsolutePunk, MetalReview, and Live-Metal.net (the last one I havn't heard of, but whatever) http://shop.mtv.com/Road-to-Bloodshed-Thrash_stcVVproductId11324790VVcatId421099VVviewprod.htm Even MTV knows they're thrash metal!

So pretty much in a few days once I stop being lazy I'm gonna go get those reviews from absolutepunk and metal review (which have been cited many times and are seen as professional reviews tab by wikipedia), the one from Metal Maniacs, and the one from allmusic (even though allmusic isn't always the best), source them all up, and with great happiness, change the genre to thrash metal. PEiP (talk) 21:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

For breakdowns, see the closing section of "Beneath the Machine", the mid-section of "Brotherhood of Destruction", the middle of "The Shape of Things", the middle of "Flatline". Listen to Shadows Fall's "Threads of Life" (which is acknowledged as thrash-influenced metalcore) and tell me Sanctity isn't the same thing. There is much more Trivium in them than Megadeth/Exodus/Overkill/Anthrax. The guitar tuning is metalcore. The breakdowns are metalcore. The vocals are metalcore. The alternating hard and soft sections are metalcore. The riffing style is metalcore. There's clear thrash influence to them, certainly. But to say they are thrash metal is just absurd, trust me, I listen to a lot of thrash. A hell of a lot.

This isn't me slagging them off either: I love the band. I don't see metalcore as an insult. But that is what they sound like. Unearth, Shadows Fall, Trivium. They sound just like those bands, much more than any thrash band, and they fit the qualifications for metalcore much more than thrash.

As for sources, there isn't really much. Allmusic is one of the single most unreliable sources around for heavy metal, so that won't count at all. Roadrunner can't be used either, since that's their label and will naturally call them what it wants. MTV is known for knowing next to nothing about heavy metal. And review sites are not, to my knowledge, accepted as reliable anyway (if they are, point me to exactly where it says they are).

The fact is, as you can see from logical argument, Sanctity are much much more metalcore than thrash. I would be willing to compromise though: how about both metalcore and thrash metal in the genre info box? Because I will happily admit there's a thrash side to them, and parts of it in their music. Prophaniti (talk) 10:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I've removed both "thrash metal" and "metalcore". I'm not happy with thrash, others aren't happy with metalcore. Simply "heavy metal" would seem appropriate, and rockdetector, a genuinely reliable source on heavy metal genres, calls them that, and neither metalcore nor thrash. So that it is. Prophaniti (talk) 22:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

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