Talk:Ryan Hall (runner)

American-Born record

There's no such record as the "American-born" record in the marathon. Certain records are officially kept, and this is not one of them, definitely not one recognized by record-keeping bodies such as USATF or ARRS. Rather, it's a term typically used by someone who has a problem with the fact that an immigrant happens to be the holder of the actual American record. I don't think arbitrarily created record categories merit inclusion in this entry. There are generally agreed-upon distances (marathon, 10k, mile, etc.) and agreed-upon groups of people (men, women, masters, Americans, etc.), and records should fall into these categories.

69.234.74.73 (talk) 05:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Preferences

With all due respect, Hall is not notable because of his faith, but because of his running. Important as his faith may be, it is not a strong enough reason to eschew the traditional opening format.

As another point, Hall's wishes are actually irrelevant in the context of editing; were article subjects' wishes given that authority, WP would basically become useless. Moreover, your statement that his faith comes first and foremost, and that, as a result, it needs to be the first thing in his article is a form of OR. Samer (talk) 02:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

American as an improper label

He is definitely not the American record holder in the half marathon. That honor belongs to Marilson dos Santos of Brazil in 59:33. He is the north American/central American continent record holder. Also this article is littered with the term American applying only to the US. This needs to be rewritten, as the iaaf disagrees with this terminology. MATThematical (talk) 15:05, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

So you're saying if you replace "American" with United States, it would be fine? --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 15:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

There is such a thing as "context". It's one thing to change "American record" to "US record", however, we're not going to eliminate the reference to "American" from every athlete from the USA who competes in an IAAF sanctioned event. I think it's safe to say that most people would assume an American is someone from the USA rather than someone from North, Central, or South America. And given that people are typically referring to either world records or national records rather than continental records, I think most people would assume that an "American record" refers to a record set by an American....er, a citizen of the USA. For example, here is an IAAF article from Sunday referring to Tyson Gay's "American 100 metres record". Unless Jamaica is no longer part of the Americas, the IAAF is certainly referring to a US record. Location (talk) 20:49, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I do see your point, but the iaaf denotes records as continent records before country records, because country records are lesser records. If a runner holds the Nigerian record, but it is also an African record, which would you put on their wikipedia page? I would prefer the African record. It seems like people think the US is an exception to this. In my opinion it comes off as arrogant. It sounds like "of course the US record is the north/central American continent record, isn't that just a given." But if you would prefer to denote the inferior record I guess thats fine. MATThematical (talk) 03:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

World records and national records are mentioned much more frequently than continental records, but I certainly have no objection to noting the later where indicated or appropriate. The issue we were discussing, however, was whether or not it is accurate or not to use the term "American record" in regards to a national record set by a US citizen. I'm OK with "US record" but I don't think it is arrogant, inappropriate, or inaccurate to use "American record" either. In the Western Hemisphere, the IAAF tracks continental records for "North America" (NAM), "Central America & Caribbean" (CAC), and "South America" (SAM).See page 389. The IAAF does NOT denote any sort of "American record" that combines North America, Central America, and South America. With this in mind, the previous statement that "[h]e is the north American/central American continent record holder" is not only inaccurate but it is also false. First of all neither Brazil or the United States are part of Central America; secondly, the IAAF notes that two Mexican runners share the claim for the Central America & Caribbean record in the half marathon. (Whether or not Mexico is in Central America is a debate for someone else to take up with the IAAF.) Location (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction in Birthplace

The article body says Ryan Hall was born in Big Bear Lake, CA while the side bar says he was born in Kirkland Washington. Which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.211.17 (talk) 20:16, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Ryan Hall's racing performance

Ryan Hall often always outperforms taller runners, like Josh Cox or Jason Hartmann. 2402:6B00:23ED:6280:FC82:9883:49DB:577A (talk) 03:48, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

This is a non-notable achievement. At 5'10" there is nothing significant about his height relationship. Haile Gebrselassie at 5'5" outperforms almost everybody. Trackinfo (talk) 08:11, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Height between 5'10" (Ryan Hall) vs. 6'3" (Josh Cox, Jason Hartmann) are great difference. 5'10" height is magical number and successful marathoners are no taller than 5'10". 2402:6B00:23ED:6280:DDF2:5F8C:A2C:1C8E (talk) 06:02, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Essentially you have restated my point. There is nothing notable about Hall's height. You chose Cox and Hartmann as the ones who are exceptions to the rule. Their success against those odds is perhaps more notable but it has nothing to do with Hall. Trackinfo (talk) 11:03, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

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